Who is to Blame for Turnovers?

[xmuscularghandix]

This is a very unselfish team that passes the ball a lot ... unfortunately, the more you pass the ball, the greater the chances for turning it over. I'm sure they'll work on lowering that percentage, but I'll take a few extra turnovers to remain the unselfish, high-passing, high-assist team that we are.

[Celtics18]

This is a very unselfish team that passes the ball a lot ... unfortunately, the more you pass the ball, the greater the chances for turning it over. I'm sure they'll work on lowering that percentage, but I'll take a few extra turnovers to remain the unselfish, high-passing, high-assist team that we are.

Yes, again.

 I'd like to add that we've been among the league leaders in assists per game, field goal percentage, and assist to turnover ratio.  Despite criticism being levelled at our offense over the last three seasons, the Cs have been a relatively efficient offensive team.  It's not like we're the Charlotte Bobcats (or the Miami Heat).

[greenpride32]

One thing I'm on the fence on is the deep lob in or alley oop play.  They been doing this with KG and now even more so with Shaq.  It's feast or famine; easy bucket or turnover.  

While it's entertaining when it works, I think I'd prefer the team try to setup a good shot with all the talent they have, rather than seeing the ball go into the stands on occasion.

Also if they're going to run this play it needs to be called so the players know to expect it.  How many times have we seen Rondo and KG/Shaq not being on the same page that results in the turnover.

[Drucci]

I think the majority of the turnovers last night was due to this game being on Opening Night... players being rusty and just starting to get the NBA rythm back.

But a lot of them were careless, especially from KG and Rondo. It was key since it helped Miami stay in the game in the first half with their fastbreak points (the only way they could score by the way). I'm not so much worried about the turnovers, I think we will reduce our average number and be fine.

[Bankshot]

I think the majority of the turnovers last night was due to this game being on Opening Night... players being rusty and just starting to get the NBA rythm back.

But a lot of them were careless, especially from KG and Rondo. It was key since it helped Miami stay in the game in the first half with their fastbreak points (the only way they could score by the way). I'm not so much worried about the turnovers, I think we will reduce our average number and be fine.

Ok.  But what's the excuse for last year and the year before, and the year before that? It just drives me crazy when I see unforced turnovers, especially when there are a lot of them.

[Drucci]

I think the majority of the turnovers last night was due to this game being on Opening Night... players being rusty and just starting to get the NBA rythm back.

But a lot of them were careless, especially from KG and Rondo. It was key since it helped Miami stay in the game in the first half with their fastbreak points (the only way they could score by the way). I'm not so much worried about the turnovers, I think we will reduce our average number and be fine.

Ok.  But what's the excuse for last year and the year before, and the year before that? It just drives me crazy when I see unforced turnovers, especially when there are a lot of them.

I know we're a turnover prone team but if I recall correctly we average about 13 or 14 turnovers per game. Tonight was not our average TO rate and I think we will get better once the team finds its rythm (we will probably still average around 13 TO per game though).

As Bahku said, it's also due to our collective game so I'm fine with that, especially when you consider that even when we have a lot of turnovers we're able to win games because of our strengths and our defense. Last night was frustrating though since it allowed the Heat to score at times where we could have put them away for good.

[GreenFaith1819]

I think it was just Opening Night jitters. We had a lot to prove last night, and we did it, thank God. I haven't seen the TV ratings from last night's game, but it had to have been the most watched opening night in a long time.

Bahku's post makes a good point, too. The nature of our team is unselfish, so with that comes a few extra passes that may not be good, but I'll take em'.

We'll be fine. My main concern after last night was the team getting rest before they traveled to CLE. I dislike these back-to-backs.

[2short]

Well if you are speaking about Miami, the turnovers have nothing to do with Lebron.  He had a few last night and was doing his stare at teammate thing he always did in Cleveland.  I hope that is the start of disfunction for them!

Opening night everyone played a bit helter skelter, KG seemed to want to overpass.  Its ok, the unselfish play of the team might mean turnovers but it will also mean easy baskets or the extra pass to the open man.

[Fafnir]

This is a very unselfish team that passes the ball a lot ... unfortunately, the more you pass the ball, the greater the chances for turning it over. I'm sure they'll work on lowering that percentage, but I'll take a few extra turnovers to remain the unselfish, high-passing, high-assist team that we are.

Yes, again.

 I'd like to add that we've been among the league leaders in assists per game, field goal percentage, and assist to turnover ratio.  Despite criticism being levelled at our offense over the last three seasons, the Cs have been a relatively efficient offensive team.  It's not like we're the Charlotte Bobcats (or the Miami Heat).

We were an efficient offensive team for 07-08 and 08-09. Last year we were decidedly average, its a concern.

Even last night wasn't too hot. We had about 100 possessions, and only got 88 points. I don't really mind that though, the Heat will be a very good defensive team.

[Celtics18]

This is a very unselfish team that passes the ball a lot ... unfortunately, the more you pass the ball, the greater the chances for turning it over. I'm sure they'll work on lowering that percentage, but I'll take a few extra turnovers to remain the unselfish, high-passing, high-assist team that we are.

Yes, again.

 I'd like to add that we've been among the league leaders in assists per game, field goal percentage, and assist to turnover ratio.  Despite criticism being levelled at our offense over the last three seasons, the Cs have been a relatively efficient offensive team.  It's not like we're the Charlotte Bobcats (or the Miami Heat).

We were an efficient offensive team for 07-08 and 08-09. Last year we were decidedly average, its a concern.

Even last night wasn't too hot. We had about 100 possessions, and only got 88 points. I don't really mind that though, the Heat will be a very good defensive team.

Looking at overall Team Efficiency Stats (not sure exactly how those stats are calculated), we were definitely pretty average.  However, we were still a high assist team with a good assist to turnover ratio and high field goal percentage.  We didn't get to the line alot, and we didn't get up alot of shots per game.  Those things might factor into efficiency rankings. 


I'd love to see us cut back on the turnovers, but it's just not one of my main concerns with this team.  For me, my biggest concern is still defensive rebounding.  Hitting the glass won't help us take care of the ball, but it will make us a better team.

[Chris]

I think the biggest part of it is just the system.  The C's system, which makes them incredibly efficient, and nearly unstoppable when they are executing, also promotes a lot of turnovers, simply because the ball is in the air a lot.  For teams that use much more of an ISO system, it is easier to hold on to the ball, because they just don't pass as much.  But the C's pass the ball a ton, which means there is a lot more room for error...but there is also a lot more room for success.

I think they can all improve on being more careful with the ball, but overall, I think the turnovers are just part of the price you pay for a ball movement offense.

[BballTim]

This is a very unselfish team that passes the ball a lot ... unfortunately, the more you pass the ball, the greater the chances for turning it over. I'm sure they'll work on lowering that percentage, but I'll take a few extra turnovers to remain the unselfish, high-passing, high-assist team that we are.

Yes, again.

 I'd like to add that we've been among the league leaders in assists per game, field goal percentage, and assist to turnover ratio.  Despite criticism being levelled at our offense over the last three seasons, the Cs have been a relatively efficient offensive team.  It's not like we're the Charlotte Bobcats (or the Miami Heat).

We were an efficient offensive team for 07-08 and 08-09. Last year we were decidedly average, its a concern.

Even last night wasn't too hot. We had about 100 possessions, and only got 88 points. I don't really mind that though, the Heat will be a very good defensive team.

  I think we had 90 possessions and 88 points. Pretty good against what should be a good defensive team. And our lower offensive efficiency wasn't due to more turnovers, more due to fewer offensive rebounds and slightly less ft/shot.

[Fafnir]

This is a very unselfish team that passes the ball a lot ... unfortunately, the more you pass the ball, the greater the chances for turning it over. I'm sure they'll work on lowering that percentage, but I'll take a few extra turnovers to remain the unselfish, high-passing, high-assist team that we are.

Yes, again.

 I'd like to add that we've been among the league leaders in assists per game, field goal percentage, and assist to turnover ratio.  Despite criticism being levelled at our offense over the last three seasons, the Cs have been a relatively efficient offensive team.  It's not like we're the Charlotte Bobcats (or the Miami Heat).

We were an efficient offensive team for 07-08 and 08-09. Last year we were decidedly average, its a concern.

Even last night wasn't too hot. We had about 100 possessions, and only got 88 points. I don't really mind that though, the Heat will be a very good defensive team.

Looking at overall Team Efficiency Stats (not sure exactly how those stats are calculated), we were definitely pretty average.  However, we were still a high assist team with a good assist to turnover ratio and high field goal percentage.  We didn't get to the line alot, and we didn't get up alot of shots per game.  Those things might factor into efficiency rankings. 


I'd love to see us cut back on the turnovers, but it's just not one of my main concerns with this team.  For me, my biggest concern is still defensive rebounding.  Hitting the glass won't help us take care of the ball, but it will make us a better team.

We're one of the best shooting teams in the league, turnvovers and a lack of offensive rebounds is what made the C's average on offense.

[BballTim]

This is a very unselfish team that passes the ball a lot ... unfortunately, the more you pass the ball, the greater the chances for turning it over. I'm sure they'll work on lowering that percentage, but I'll take a few extra turnovers to remain the unselfish, high-passing, high-assist team that we are.

Yes, again.

 I'd like to add that we've been among the league leaders in assists per game, field goal percentage, and assist to turnover ratio.  Despite criticism being levelled at our offense over the last three seasons, the Cs have been a relatively efficient offensive team.  It's not like we're the Charlotte Bobcats (or the Miami Heat).

We were an efficient offensive team for 07-08 and 08-09. Last year we were decidedly average, its a concern.

Even last night wasn't too hot. We had about 100 possessions, and only got 88 points. I don't really mind that though, the Heat will be a very good defensive team.

Looking at overall Team Efficiency Stats (not sure exactly how those stats are calculated), we were definitely pretty average.  However, we were still a high assist team with a good assist to turnover ratio and high field goal percentage.  We didn't get to the line alot, and we didn't get up alot of shots per game.  Those things might factor into efficiency rankings. 


I'd love to see us cut back on the turnovers, but it's just not one of my main concerns with this team.  For me, my biggest concern is still defensive rebounding.  Hitting the glass won't help us take care of the ball, but it will make us a better team.

We're one of the best shooting teams in the league, turnvovers and a lack of offensive rebounds is what made the C's average on offense.

  Offensive rebounds is a bigger issue than turnovers. While we do make a fair amount of lackadaisical passes, we have more assists than other teams so our assist/bad pass ratio probably isn't too far from average. We have more offensive fouls, but a lot of those are bad picks. If we passed the ball a little less and set fewer picks our turnovers would go down but our fg% might drop as well.

[Fafnir]

Offensive rebounds is a bigger issue than turnovers. While we do make a fair amount of lackadaisical passes, we have more assists than other teams so our assist/bad pass ratio probably isn't too far from average. We have more offensive fouls, but a lot of those are bad picks. If we passed the ball a little less and set fewer picks our turnovers would go down but our fg% might drop as well.

Rebounding is definitely the biggest issue that the C's can improve, I think the boat has sailed on us becoming a low turnover team, just not in the cards with this personal and offense.