How's Tony doing for Griz in the pre-season?

[TerreHaute]

I think in the end both parties will regret him leaving. He was in a good situation for himself in terms of playing (maybe not getting paid). He could play to his strengths in a limited role and be a part of something special. He also could have been a guy whose role increased in two years when our vets may start leaving. As for the Celtics, I don't see anyone on their bench capable of coming in and making a difference on the defensive end. For a team that relies so heavily on their defense, that player is pretty valuable.

[Roy H.]

There was a lot of regret on this board over the loss of Tony Allen. I had mixed feelings at the time, but must say if given a choice, much prefer Delonte West to Tony Allen over all.

The real question is: would you prefer Von Wafer to Tony Allen?

If we had signed Tony, would we have Marquis and/or Delonte? 

[GreenEnvy]

I think in the end both parties will regret him leaving. He was in a good situation for himself in terms of playing (maybe not getting paid). He could play to his strengths in a limited role and be a part of something special. He also could have been a guy whose role increased in two years when our vets may start leaving. As for the Celtics, I don't see anyone on their bench capable of coming in and making a difference on the defensive end. For a team that relies so heavily on their defense, that player is pretty valuable.

You are right, two parties will regret him leaving.

Tony Allen and the Memphis Grizzlies.

[Jon]

The funny thing is that TA likely would've had a shot at more playing time this year, even more playing time next year, and at least a shot at the starting role 2 years from now when everything gets blown up.  Not that I think he actually would've kept that starting role long term, but that's more than he'll likely get backing up Memphis's young core, which isn't going anywhere. 

[Change]

There was a lot of regret on this board over the loss of Tony Allen. I had mixed feelings at the time, but must say if given a choice, much prefer Delonte West to Tony Allen over all.

The real question is: would you prefer Von Wafer to Tony Allen?

If we had signed Tony, would we have Marquis and/or Delonte?  

Roy, I don't say this often, that is a great question. Delonte West alone makes Tony expandable. Q is the cherry on top of the cake. Not having a backup plan in case one of those guys go down is what scares me. Here's to a healthy season. Being a Tony Allen apologetics, I'll miss seeing him in green. Tony is very special player who made a dumb decision to leave Boston.

[GreenEnvy]

The funny thing is that TA likely would've had a shot at more playing time this year, even more playing time next year, and at least a shot at the starting role 2 years from now when everything gets blown up.  Not that I think he actually would've kept that starting role long term, but that's more than he'll likely get backing up Memphis's young core, which isn't going anywhere. 

That's not a funny thing, it's a scary one.

TA would be a pretty nice starter.... on a 15-win team.

He had a decent albeit vastly overrated playoff run last season and now everyone feels the need to overrate him.

I hope (for his sake) there was a big difference in the offer from the Celtics in comparison to the one he agreed to with Memphis.

[Chris]

There was a lot of regret on this board over the loss of Tony Allen. I had mixed feelings at the time, but must say if given a choice, much prefer Delonte West to Tony Allen over all.

The real question is: would you prefer Von Wafer to Tony Allen?

If we had signed Tony, would we have Marquis and/or Delonte? 

I think Marquis would have been long gone, but Delonte would still have been a target.  I think Marquis only came back into their plans when Tony left, but no matter which of them they kept, they still needed another shooter off the bench, and that is what Delonte represents.

[BballTim]

There was a lot of regret on this board over the loss of Tony Allen. I had mixed feelings at the time, but must say if given a choice, much prefer Delonte West to Tony Allen over all.

The real question is: would you prefer Von Wafer to Tony Allen?

If we had signed Tony, would we have Marquis and/or Delonte? 

  Probably not Marquis (who TA beat out for a spot in the rotation last year) but I don't see why it would have affected the Delonte acquisition.

[CelticHooligan3]

Good riddance I say.. Your not smart enough to see you'd play a more important role on a championship team? Then all the more power to ya, but I don't want you on my team. He's getting payed slightly more on a much worse team with the same minutes. Benedict Arnold I say. I don't want anyone that short sighted and greedy on my team anyways. And I was a big Tony Allen apologist. But I feel betrayed by his comments of being "overshadowed" here.

Who does he think he is? I mean come on. Yes he played great D which gave me cause to overlook many of his defecincies but when your a two guard who can't shoot the ball and get it in the circular orange metal object if your life depended on it them there is a major problem. Especially when you start talking about being "overshadowed". Gimme a break Tony. Take your extra two mil or whatever it was and enjoy your stay in purgatory. Or is that Memphis?

[Spilling Green Dye]

If it were up to me I would have kept Tony and let Daniels walk.  I haven't been impressed one bit with Daniels in the past year+

In preseason games against mediocre to bad competition Daniels will appear to be decent, and Tony Allen will appear to be "just a guy who can't shoot well".  But in playoff games against Dwayne Wade / Lebron / Kobe Bryant... Tony Allen shines and Daniels headbutts people's stomachs (leading to a lame concussion). 

Personally I value a player in how they perform in the situations where they're needed most, which is why I wish we still had Tony.

I do like what Delonte has done though so far, but as someone mentioned, I think we could have had Delonte while still having Tony.

[GranTur]

Tony Allen and Marquis have the same value.

One is a decent slasher with an okay mid-range jumper.
One is a turnover prone slasher with no jumper.

One is an above average wing defender.
One is a top-level wing defender.

Both are injury prone.

They have the same value.

[Assassin70]

Good riddance I say.. Your not smart enough to see you'd play a more important role on a championship team? Then all the more power to ya, but I don't want you on my team. He's getting payed slightly more on a much worse team with the same minutes. Benedict Arnold I say. I don't want anyone that short sighted and greedy on my team anyways. And I was a big Tony Allen apologist. But I feel betrayed by his comments of being "overshadowed" here.

Who does he think he is? I mean come on. Yes he played great D which gave me cause to overlook many of his defecincies but when your a two guard who can't shoot the ball and get it in the circular orange metal object if your life depended on it them there is a major problem. Especially when you start talking about being "overshadowed". Gimme a break Tony. Take your extra two mil or whatever it was and enjoy your stay in purgatory. Or is that Memphis?

Couldn't have said it any better.

[Roy H.]

If it were up to me I would have kept Tony and let Daniels walk.  I haven't been impressed one bit with Daniels in the past year+

In preseason games against mediocre to bad competition Daniels will appear to be decent, and Tony Allen will appear to be "just a guy who can't shoot well".  But in playoff games against Dwayne Wade / Lebron / Kobe Bryant... Tony Allen shines and Daniels headbutts people's stomachs (leading to a lame concussion). 

Personally I value a player in how they perform in the situations where they're needed most, which is why I wish we still had Tony.

I do like what Delonte has done though so far, but as someone mentioned, I think we could have had Delonte while still having Tony.

In fairness, Tony has never been consistent, nor has he always been somebody you can count on in the playoff.  In the past, he's either been injured or has underperformed.  Last year, as you suggest, he was pretty good (although probably not as good as some of his supporters think).

[the_Bird]

Tony Allen and Marquis have the same value.

One is a decent slasher with an okay mid-range jumper.
One is a turnover prone slasher with no jumper.

One is an above average wing defender.
One is a top-level wing defender.

Both are injury prone.

They have the same value.

Defense; Tony >> Quis, but Quis has better size.  Quis is more of a natural playing behind Pierce at the 3, Tony can play there but he's undersized.

Shooting; Tony <> Quis, they both suck.  At least Quis doesn't take as many bad shots, though.

Slashing; Tony <> Quis.  Tony's probably a better finisher, certainly a LOUDER finisher, but is far, far more likely to lose the ball on the way to the rim.

Finishing on the break; Tony >>> Quis.  

Ballhanding; Quis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tony.  Tony needs to learn that his foot is not technically part of the hardwood.

Versatility; Quis can be a deep-backup at the PG spot, along with backing up the 2/3 spots.  Tony's mostly a SG, he can play the 3 a bit on D (undersized) but you have a hard time breathing when you ask him to play point.

All in all, I'd take Quis.  I think Quis gets a bad knock because he never seems to be playing hard or really aggressive, he just seems to coast through the games even when he's playing pretty effectively.  He's the anti-Tony in a lot of ways, Tony is a very noisy plater but that's often to his detriment.  Quis is a pretty solid defender and it's always a good thing to have another ballhandler/distributor on the court.  

[Fafnir]

If it were up to me I would have kept Tony and let Daniels walk.  I haven't been impressed one bit with Daniels in the past year+

In preseason games against mediocre to bad competition Daniels will appear to be decent, and Tony Allen will appear to be "just a guy who can't shoot well".  But in playoff games against Dwayne Wade / Lebron / Kobe Bryant... Tony Allen shines and Daniels headbutts people's stomachs (leading to a lame concussion). 

Personally I value a player in how they perform in the situations where they're needed most, which is why I wish we still had Tony.

I do like what Delonte has done though so far, but as someone mentioned, I think we could have had Delonte while still having Tony.

In fairness, Tony has never been consistent, nor has he always been somebody you can count on in the playoff.  In the past, he's either been injured or has underperformed.  Last year, as you suggest, he was pretty good (although probably not as good as some of his supporters think).

Plus his stated reasons for leaving do indicate he'd have been unlikely to replicate his success as a role player last year.

He's not getting more minutes or money in Memphis. Instead he wanted out of the "shadow" of Ray and Paul, that's not the sort of mentality that a role player can have and be successful from year to year.