Harangody #55 - a born Celtic

[mmbaby]

I'd put him behind Paul now, and will see it he can keep up the good work.
Forgot to put Delonte in my roster, so he goes in interchangably with Nate behind Rhondo.

[Chris]

I guess I can see the Gomes comparison if Gomes was a better rebounder.  Gomes is more of a 3 only while Harangody has the size and strength to play the 3 and 4.  Maybe the 4 more so. They have similar athleticism and range but, Harangody has the build to play PF in the NBA.  He also will not get embarrassed athletically which if often assumed with a big white player.

Anyway it shouldn't come as any surprise if he gets PT this season (more than likely 2nd half) if you watched 1 game of ND the past 4 years. 

DA you made my day with this pick.  He's a perfect 2nd round selection.   Learn from the best while adding the youth the C's need off the bench. 

I consider more of a BBD clone with more range and less athleticism.  They are both great offensive rebounders out of sheer will.

I think you are underrating Gomes' rebounding ability (or overrating Luke's).  In College, Gomes was a very good rebounder, and very comparable to Luke.  He has not been as good in the league, because his size has become an issue that it wasn't in college.  I think we are going to see the same thing happen with Luke when he starts playing against actual big men, instead of the SF's maquerading as PF's that the Knicks threw out there.  

Basically, they both are guys who will chase down boards, and have a nose for the ball, but neither can be elite NBA rebounders, simply because they do not have the size and/or athleticism to be that.

I still think Harangody can and will play Scal's role for us. The exception is that I don't trust his defense as much, but his rebounding more than makes up for that deficiency.

Yeah, that is how I see him too.  He is a great insurance guy at the end of the bench.  I think he is smart enough and solid enough that Doc will feel comfortable throwing him out there in an emergency, and even if he doesn't bring a ton to the table, he won't take a ton off either.  Guys like that are very valuable to have on any bench, because you know they are going to be useful at some point.

[pearljammer10]

I still don't understand why Ainge fills our roster with undersized 4's. Aside Garnett and Al Jefferson's short stint in green, all of our power forwards have been undersized hustle players. Baby, now Harangody, Gomes, can even go back to the days of Brandon Hunter.

[Roy H.]

I still don't understand why Ainge fills our roster with undersized 4's. Aside Garnett and Al Jefferson's short stint in green, all of our power forwards have been undersized hustle players. Baby, now Harangody, Gomes, can even go back to the days of Brandon Hunter.

It's about value.  Quality PFs with good size aren't generally available in the second round.  However, flawed PFs are, and the "flaw" that Danny is willing to live with is slightly below ideal size.

6'10" PFs are expensive, either in terms of money or draft picks.  Since we haven't had a lot of resources, Danny cuts costs when he can.

[Fafnir]

I still don't understand why Ainge fills our roster with undersized 4's. Aside Garnett and Al Jefferson's short stint in green, all of our power forwards have been undersized hustle players. Baby, now Harangody, Gomes, can even go back to the days of Brandon Hunter.

Well he lined up a to have a starting PF with good size, he decided that having a backup PF with size wasn't as important as other positions.

[Chris]

I still don't understand why Ainge fills our roster with undersized 4's. Aside Garnett and Al Jefferson's short stint in green, all of our power forwards have been undersized hustle players. Baby, now Harangody, Gomes, can even go back to the days of Brandon Hunter.

It's pretty simple actually.  Big men who are not undersized and can actually play basketball are incredibly difficult to come by, and are rarely available late in the draft or as an affordable free agent.

He has the choice between filling the roster with guys who can't play but have good size, or guys who are a little small, but are good basketball players.  I think he has made the right choices.  

I am sure once they get back up into the lottery, we will see him get some guys who are both big and can play...but for now, he is working with what is available.

[clover]

I want him to drop 15 pounds and do the video for a month:

Then he can be a solid 3 backing up Pierce.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ZkY7tnpRs

Why would you want him to be a 3? Theres no way he can defend 3s even if he loses some weight.

He could be an effective stretch 4 though if he can body bigger guys like BBD. Unfortunately for him we are pretty deep there.

So you want him to gain 50 pounds so he can throw his weight around like Baby?

[pablohoney]

Gody could actually make Baby expendable at the trade deadline.   If there is a player the team wants they can package Glens 4 million expiring with Quis, Nate etc.    When Perk comes back, JO would be the obvious guy to backup PF.   That would leave the role of an outside shooting PF to Gody.

I don't actually want this to happen but it is a nice option to have if a veteran the team would love to add becomes available.  Tayshaun Prince comes to mind.

[guava_wrench]

I guess I can see the Gomes comparison if Gomes was a better rebounder.  Gomes is more of a 3 only while Harangody has the size and strength to play the 3 and 4.  Maybe the 4 more so. They have similar athleticism and range but, Harangody has the build to play PF in the NBA.  He also will not get embarrassed athletically which if often assumed with a big white player.

Anyway it shouldn't come as any surprise if he gets PT this season (more than likely 2nd half) if you watched 1 game of ND the past 4 years. 

DA you made my day with this pick.  He's a perfect 2nd round selection.   Learn from the best while adding the youth the C's need off the bench. 

I consider more of a BBD clone with more range and less athleticism.  They are both great offensive rebounders out of sheer will.

Gomes is really strong. I doubt Harangody is stronger than Gomes. I was shocked at how wide Gomes is when I met him in person.

[kozlodoev]

Gody could actually make Baby expendable at the trade deadline. 

No, he can't. Davis is a significantly better player.

[guava_wrench]

I still don't understand why Ainge fills our roster with undersized 4's. Aside Garnett and Al Jefferson's short stint in green, all of our power forwards have been undersized hustle players. Baby, now Harangody, Gomes, can even go back to the days of Brandon Hunter.

Because there is a wealth of undersized but highly skilled 4's that people pass on when they decide to draft correctly sized 4's who never amount to anything.

All the guys you mention are second round picks (you left out Powe). He isn't targeting undersized 4's. He is getting what he things are the most talented players who happened to fall because of the perception that they were undersized. Most of those gambits have paid off.

[Greenbean]

I want him to drop 15 pounds and do the video for a month:

Then he can be a solid 3 backing up Pierce.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ZkY7tnpRs

Why would you want him to be a 3? Theres no way he can defend 3s even if he loses some weight.

He could be an effective stretch 4 though if he can body bigger guys like BBD. Unfortunately for him we are pretty deep there.

So you want him to gain 50 pounds so he can throw his weight around like Baby?

Umm...no i said he shouldnt lose wight because he cant guard 3s. He is wide enough though to body up some 4s at 250. I think playing the 4 gives him the best shot in the NBA, not the 3.

I mentioned BBD because he is also and undersized big.

[Chris]

Gody could actually make Baby expendable at the trade deadline. 

No, he can't. Davis is a significantly better player.

While this is true, if Perkins is healthy, and they can get a quality 3/4, Davis may be moved.  Harrangody wouldn't be the main reason for that, but he may make them feel a little more comfortable with doing it, should the opportunity arise.

I really think if everyone is healthy come February, either Perk or Davis will be moved for a 3/4, and one factor in who goes may be whether they feel more comfortable with Luke or Semih filling in, if there are injuries.

[Eeyore III]

1.     We need a Harangody nickname poll.  I like cornbreadsmart's "Harangutan" and thirsty's "Cool Hand Luke" the best so far.

2.     Fickle?  It has been a full 24 hours since I posted that Harangutan should go to Portland ASAP; not too soon now to re-institute my view that he'll be difficult to keep off the court in Boston.

3.     I still want to see him tried at more length at the SF spot.  But if Doc hasn't done it, that alone tells me something.  But I'd still like to see it with my own eyes.

4.     I predict he'll be waaaay better than Gomes, and I'm not surprised that his rebounding has translated.

[Greenbean]

I still don't understand why Ainge fills our roster with undersized 4's. Aside Garnett and Al Jefferson's short stint in green, all of our power forwards have been undersized hustle players. Baby, now Harangody, Gomes, can even go back to the days of Brandon Hunter.

So aside from our last 2 starting PFs for the last 5 years, all of our PFs have been undersized. I can live with that.

He hasnt used any picks to get properly sized bigs because all of the ones that can contribute generally get taken in the top 10.

I know you hate tweeners PJ but were probably stuck with them as draft picks until we suck again!