Baby Complaining

[Jevi]

If you already replied, I imagine you didn't read either the article or stats, fine. I also said I wouldn't keep Baby here if I knew are team wasn't flowing offensively or defensively with him on the court. So who I'd take? So geez who can I find to average 7pts and nearly 4 rebounds? He'd realistically be moved for a low 2nd rounder is my guess, but a bag of balls to help the team is not beyond me. Seriously, I'd call Joe Dumars and I wouldn't overvalue Baby as much as Danny did. A 1st round pick, why even call Joe?

Pistons reject Glen Davis for Jason Maxiell trade   
    
By Dee Grande - 07-21-2009

    Yahoo! Sports reports that Boston offered the Detroit Pistons power forward Glen (Big Baby) Davis and guards J.R. Giddens and Gabe Pruitt for forward Jason Maxiell and a first-round pick. The Pistons supposedly turned down the trade "quickly."

    The report also states that the Pistons, Trail Blazers and Hornets have tried to work a sign-and-trade deal for Davis.

    It's no secret that the Pistons were interested in Big Baby to fill out their frontcourt, but that window seems to have closed with Detroit's signing of Chris Wilcox.

    For what it's worth, even though this deal is past its prime, here are the 2008-09 scoring averages of the players involved: Davis (7.0), Pruitt (2.0), Giddens (0.7) and Maxiell (5..

woulda been a nice move for the celtics tho. celtics probably don't need davis' jumper as much now that garnett's healthy and sheed's there. maxiell's defense, athleticism and finishing woulda been good though.

Why Jason, well my guess jason would be drastically better with Rondo. Jason started 4 games in 08-09, still ended up with 63 blocks, 94 blocks with only 7 started games the year before. I'd definitely make that move. What you think GreenFaith? http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/pistons-reject-glen-davis-jason-maxiell-trade-1268311/

[Chris]

I think you highlight something that some people like myself have been saying for quite sometime:  The rest of the league does not value Glen Davis near as much as the fans here do. 

He most definitely has value on this team's bench.  But if he were truly good enough to be a quality starter on a team, then I guarantee that every team in this league would love to have a quality 3mil / year starter.  BUT THEY DON'T. 

  Just curious, but do you have any evidence that other teams have no interest in Davis? Has Danny been unsuccessfully shopping him around the league?

Well, what kind of value do you think he has?  I think a big problem is that he is a restricted free agent after this season.  So, is a team going to be willing to give enough value for either a rental, or to then have to pay him a lot of money next summer (which they could do anyways)?

And, given his play for the C's, they are going to need to get a lot in return to make it worthwhile.  

I thought he was a likely player to be traded before the season, but seeing how he has come out, I think it is going to be a case where he has much more value to the C's than he does in a trade, because of his fit on this team, as well as his contract status.

[Casperian]

Why Jason, well my guess jason would be drastically better with Rondo. Jason started 4 games in 08-09, still ended up with 63 blocks, 94 blocks with only 7 started games the year before. I'd definitely make that move. What you think GreenFaith?

I think you´re obsessed with meaningless stats and are unable to look past your own definition of their meaning in the greater scheme of things.

How about that?

[GreenFaith1819]

If you already replied, I imagine you didn't read either the article or stats, fine. I also said I wouldn't keep Baby here if I knew are team wasn't flowing offensively or defensively with him on the court. So who I'd take? So geez who can I find to average 7pts and nearly 4 rebounds? He'd realistically be moved for a low 2nd rounder is my guess, but a bag of balls to help the team is not beyond me. Seriously, I'd call Joe Dumars and I wouldn't overvalue Baby as much as Danny did. A 1st round pick, why even call Joe?

Pistons reject Glen Davis for Jason Maxiell trade   
    
By Dee Grande - 07-21-2009

    Yahoo! Sports reports that Boston offered the Detroit Pistons power forward Glen (Big Baby) Davis and guards J.R. Giddens and Gabe Pruitt for forward Jason Maxiell and a first-round pick. The Pistons supposedly turned down the trade "quickly."

    The report also states that the Pistons, Trail Blazers and Hornets have tried to work a sign-and-trade deal for Davis.

    It's no secret that the Pistons were interested in Big Baby to fill out their frontcourt, but that window seems to have closed with Detroit's signing of Chris Wilcox.

    For what it's worth, even though this deal is past its prime, here are the 2008-09 scoring averages of the players involved: Davis (7.0), Pruitt (2.0), Giddens (0.7) and Maxiell (5..

woulda been a nice move for the celtics tho. celtics probably don't need davis' jumper as much now that garnett's healthy and sheed's there. maxiell's defense, athleticism and finishing woulda been good though.

Why Jason, well my guess jason would be drastically better with Rondo. Jason started 4 games in 08-09, still ended up with 63 blocks, 94 blocks with only 7 started games the year before. I'd definitely make that move. What you think GreenFaith? http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/pistons-reject-glen-davis-jason-maxiell-trade-1268311/

To find a player to replace what Glen means to us is harder than you think, Jevi.

Glen is much more than just 7 pts and 4 rebs. I mean - Sheed - as hard as I tried to defend him last year - averaged 9 pts and 4 rebs, and he's 6'11.

Plus - look at the pre-season and reg season. Glen is playing his best ball so far.

[BballTim]

I think you highlight something that some people like myself have been saying for quite sometime:  The rest of the league does not value Glen Davis near as much as the fans here do. 

He most definitely has value on this team's bench.  But if he were truly good enough to be a quality starter on a team, then I guarantee that every team in this league would love to have a quality 3mil / year starter.  BUT THEY DON'T. 

  Just curious, but do you have any evidence that other teams have no interest in Davis? Has Danny been unsuccessfully shopping him around the league?

Well, what kind of value do you think he has?  I think a big problem is that he is a restricted free agent after this season.  So, is a team going to be willing to give enough value for either a rental, or to then have to pay him a lot of money next summer (which they could do anyways)?

And, given his play for the C's, they are going to need to get a lot in return to make it worthwhile.  

I thought he was a likely player to be traded before the season, but seeing how he has come out, I think it is going to be a case where he has much more value to the C's than he does in a trade, because of his fit on this team, as well as his contract status.

  I don't know how much value he has. It's hard to really speculate because trades are based on a lot of things, like salaries and how a player fits on the roster. For instance, Sheed played like crap last year but there's no way we'd have traded him for a slightly less crappy player who was under 6'10. My point was that if you're going to say definitively that no other team wants Davis you should have more evidence than your own opinion of him.

  I can recall reading posts claiming that the Celts didn't have any decent trade assets on their roster a month or so before we traded for Ray (and then KG).

[Jevi]

Baby is more improved, and I never say much about what I believe his game could become. I believe he can be a starter for another team, honestly. He is by far the most improved Celtic. Problem is I'm a Celtic fan, and you are half right Casperian. I was obsessed with stats to find out what was our problem 08-09 til now. I didn't want it to keep pointing at Baby(sometimes it doesn't make sense to me), but I can't deny there huge problems there. This ain't garbage time anymore, Rasheed is not the excuse anymore, he's with the starters now. The team results just aren't good. It is becoming weird, these ridiculous comebacks, and not able to bury a team. I refuse to blame any of the 4 other starters, it just bad chemistry. I don't need a KG yelling/crying episode or another game 7 loss to notice this any longer. That is not our team when healthy, so how could we accept backups who don't help us win? Baby can go for 30pts and I'll wonder why we're down by 2.

[LB3533]

Don't trade Baby.

He is too valuable for us.

What if KG gets hurt?

I do not trust JO as our starting 4 or 5 with his injury history.

Baby is too good off the bench and he is by far the best hustler on our team.

[Fafnir]

Considering that BBD can play both the 4/5 and is comfortable with the starters any trade talk is very premature. I mean he's basically taken over Perkins minutes/role.

Jermaine would have to show me a heck of a lot before I'd consider it.

[Spilling Green Dye]

I think you highlight something that some people like myself have been saying for quite sometime:  The rest of the league does not value Glen Davis near as much as the fans here do. 

He most definitely has value on this team's bench.  But if he were truly good enough to be a quality starter on a team, then I guarantee that every team in this league would love to have a quality 3mil / year starter.  BUT THEY DON'T. 

  Just curious, but do you have any evidence that other teams have no interest in Davis? Has Danny been unsuccessfully shopping him around the league?

First, I was responding to Footey's quote of:  "But the problem with the "Traders" is that they don't acknowledge the discrepancy between Glen's market or "trade" value and his real value to the team.  His market value is lower than his real value"

Footey expresses what a lot of people, especially the most pro-Davis fans, here think:  that Davis is much more appreciated/used on this team, and that many outside of the team "just don't get his value".  

Secondly (and to answer your question), while I don't think there is any sufficient evidence that Ainge is shopping Davis, and I personally don't think he should right now, there is always the fact of Davis' previous free agency.  At that time Davis was thought by many here to demand the full MLE, and hoped Danny would lock him up with that.  As the market bore out it became clear:  Teams did not value him anywhere near the full MLE, which is what many fans valued him at here.  THAT is the evidence that is concrete.

While Davis has shown some improvement since that free agency, it isn't near enough to think that his value has gone much higher than what he's being paid.  Therefore, I find it to be a reasonable conclusion that his worth to other teams is still lower than is perceived by the in-love-with-Davis fans here.  They might say "you don't have the bbIQ to see how incredible Davis is!", but that implies that the other 29 teams don't have bball IQ either.  I'll trust the other 29 teams on this one.  Have you heard other teams say "in hindsight, we wish we could have locked up Glen Davis up when we had the chance" ??  I haven't.

[Who]

What is Glen Davis' trade value?

What do people think he can net in the trade market? What level player?

[BballTim]

Secondly (and to answer your question), while I don't think there is any sufficient evidence that Ainge is shopping Davis, and I personally don't think he should right now, there is always the fact of Davis' previous free agency.  At that time Davis was thought by many here to demand the full MLE, and hoped Danny would lock him up with that.  As the market bore out it became clear:  Teams did not value him anywhere near the full MLE, which is what many fans valued him at here.  THAT is the evidence that is concrete.

  Davis was a restricted free agent that the Celts wanted to keep. A team would have had to have made Glen an offer that was far enough above his value that the Celts wouldn't want to match. I think the rumor was that Danny would match up to the MLE. That would prevent most of the league from trying to sign Davis. I don't think that there's concrete evidence that teams didn't value him anywhere near the MLE.

[Tai]

Why Jason, well my guess jason would be drastically better with Rondo. Jason started 4 games in 08-09, still ended up with 63 blocks, 94 blocks with only 7 started games the year before. I'd definitely make that move. What you think GreenFaith?

I think you´re obsessed with meaningless stats and are unable to look past your own definition of their meaning in the greater scheme of things.

How about that?

I agree. All Jevi is telling us is how the C's can't finish off teams and it's BBD's fault for no other reason cause he thinks so. Maybe he thinks BBD is fat and thus HAS to be hurting the team, maybe he just doesn't like the way BBD looks, but I feel like he's just about willing to blame BBD for KG getting hurt in 08-09 at this point.

[BballTim]

Why Jason, well my guess jason would be drastically better with Rondo. Jason started 4 games in 08-09, still ended up with 63 blocks, 94 blocks with only 7 started games the year before. I'd definitely make that move. What you think GreenFaith?

I think you´re obsessed with meaningless stats and are unable to look past your own definition of their meaning in the greater scheme of things.

How about that?

I agree. All Jevi is telling us is how the C's can't finish off teams and it's BBD's fault for no other reason cause he thinks so. Maybe he thinks BBD is fat and thus HAS to be hurting the team, maybe he just doesn't like the way BBD looks, but I feel like he's just about willing to blame BBD for KG getting hurt in 08-09 at this point.

  It's definitely the haircut. Don't you watch the games?

[fairweatherfan]

Why Jason, well my guess jason would be drastically better with Rondo. Jason started 4 games in 08-09, still ended up with 63 blocks, 94 blocks with only 7 started games the year before. I'd definitely make that move. What you think GreenFaith?

I think you´re obsessed with meaningless stats and are unable to look past your own definition of their meaning in the greater scheme of things.

How about that?

I agree. All Jevi is telling us is how the C's can't finish off teams and it's BBD's fault for no other reason cause he thinks so. Maybe he thinks BBD is fat and thus HAS to be hurting the team, maybe he just doesn't like the way BBD looks, but I feel like he's just about willing to blame BBD for KG getting hurt in 08-09 at this point.

Well, the logic is simple:

1. Bad things sometimes happen to this team.
2. These things are someone's fault.
3. It can't be anyone who's not Glen Davis' fault.

Therefore,
4. It's Glen Davis' fault.

QED.  It's airtight.

[Tai]

Why Jason, well my guess jason would be drastically better with Rondo. Jason started 4 games in 08-09, still ended up with 63 blocks, 94 blocks with only 7 started games the year before. I'd definitely make that move. What you think GreenFaith?

I think you´re obsessed with meaningless stats and are unable to look past your own definition of their meaning in the greater scheme of things.

How about that?

I agree. All Jevi is telling us is how the C's can't finish off teams and it's BBD's fault for no other reason cause he thinks so. Maybe he thinks BBD is fat and thus HAS to be hurting the team, maybe he just doesn't like the way BBD looks, but I feel like he's just about willing to blame BBD for KG getting hurt in 08-09 at this point.

Well, the logic is simple:

1. Bad things sometimes happen to this team.
2. These things are someone's fault.
3. It can't be anyone who's not Glen Davis' fault.

Therefore,
4. It's Glen Davis' fault.

QED.  It's airtight.

Brilliant!