CB Draft Team of the Future (Poll's Posted)

[wdleehi]

And the team that drafted Favors to play next to Lopez has already agreed on a trade that gets rid of him, only to be rejected by the team that would have received him.

This is a pretty onesided way of presenting this; you're listing him as if he's expendible. He was the key part of a trade that nearly, and still could, land them Carmelo Anthony.

He's a big athletic player, who's skillset is pretty vast already. He's shown flashes of a tremendous post game, and already has a pretty nice touch.

Ricky Rubio hasn't come to the states, but stood toe to toe with Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Team USA a year ago in the Olympics. It's one game, but that in itself was quite impressive.

Of course it is one sided.


Do you know who also was a great PG internationally?  Carlos Arroyo. 

Do you know who was a terrible fit?  Rondo and Jennings. 


There is a difference playing the two games.  Rubio (if he ever does come) still has a lot to prove on whether or not he can play in the NBA. 

The same argument holds true for Wall.

You know who was amazing college PG? Ed Cota

You know who wasn't that great? Rondo

At the very least, regardless of the setting, for ONE game Rubio showed that he's capable of hanging with the league's best point guards. Something Wall has yet to do.

At the end of the day, I'd never argue that Rubio is the more sure thing. But I don't think the difference between Wall and Rubio makes up the gap between where I think your team and Portlands team would be in 5 years.

I think it will be huge. 


One was the clear number 1 draft pick. 


One was drafted by the T-wolves. 

One is going to be starting in the NBA this season.

One might never play in the NBA. 




I see a big difference right now. 

[indeedproceed]

I think there is a better case for John Wall's athleticism to excel than Rubio's European pg savvy.

Super-athletic PG's drafted in the top 5:

2009-Tyreke Evans
2008-Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook
2007-Conley Jr (Not really super-athletic, but more so than say Raymond Felton)
2006-None
2005-Chris Paul, Deron Willaims
2204-Shaun Livingston, Devin Harris
2003-Jay Williams

Busts because of talent: Conley Jr (pending)
Busts because of injury: Jay Williams, Shaun Livingston

1 talent bust out of 9 in the last 10 years (there were none in 2002,2001,2000)

Now, I still believe Rubio will be good, but Wall ought to be better. Just a higher ceiling.

[StartOrien]

And the team that drafted Favors to play next to Lopez has already agreed on a trade that gets rid of him, only to be rejected by the team that would have received him.

This is a pretty onesided way of presenting this; you're listing him as if he's expendible. He was the key part of a trade that nearly, and still could, land them Carmelo Anthony.

He's a big athletic player, who's skillset is pretty vast already. He's shown flashes of a tremendous post game, and already has a pretty nice touch.

Ricky Rubio hasn't come to the states, but stood toe to toe with Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Team USA a year ago in the Olympics. It's one game, but that in itself was quite impressive.

Of course it is one sided.


Do you know who also was a great PG internationally?  Carlos Arroyo. 

Do you know who was a terrible fit?  Rondo and Jennings. 


There is a difference playing the two games.  Rubio (if he ever does come) still has a lot to prove on whether or not he can play in the NBA. 

The same argument holds true for Wall.

You know who was amazing college PG? Ed Cota

You know who wasn't that great? Rondo

At the very least, regardless of the setting, for ONE game Rubio showed that he's capable of hanging with the league's best point guards. Something Wall has yet to do.

At the end of the day, I'd never argue that Rubio is the more sure thing. But I don't think the difference between Wall and Rubio makes up the gap between where I think your team and Portlands team would be in 5 years.

I think it will be huge. 


One was the clear number 1 draft pick. 


One was drafted by the T-wolves. 

One is going to be starting in the NBA this season.

One might never play in the NBA. 




I see a big difference right now. 

One was rumored to grab Danny Ainge's interest enough that we heard some rumors about Rondo being traded for the #2 pick.

[wdleehi]

And the team that drafted Favors to play next to Lopez has already agreed on a trade that gets rid of him, only to be rejected by the team that would have received him.

This is a pretty onesided way of presenting this; you're listing him as if he's expendible. He was the key part of a trade that nearly, and still could, land them Carmelo Anthony.

He's a big athletic player, who's skillset is pretty vast already. He's shown flashes of a tremendous post game, and already has a pretty nice touch.

Ricky Rubio hasn't come to the states, but stood toe to toe with Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Team USA a year ago in the Olympics. It's one game, but that in itself was quite impressive.

Of course it is one sided.


Do you know who also was a great PG internationally?  Carlos Arroyo. 

Do you know who was a terrible fit?  Rondo and Jennings. 


There is a difference playing the two games.  Rubio (if he ever does come) still has a lot to prove on whether or not he can play in the NBA. 

The same argument holds true for Wall.

You know who was amazing college PG? Ed Cota

You know who wasn't that great? Rondo

At the very least, regardless of the setting, for ONE game Rubio showed that he's capable of hanging with the league's best point guards. Something Wall has yet to do.

At the end of the day, I'd never argue that Rubio is the more sure thing. But I don't think the difference between Wall and Rubio makes up the gap between where I think your team and Portlands team would be in 5 years.

I think it will be huge. 


One was the clear number 1 draft pick. 


One was drafted by the T-wolves. 

One is going to be starting in the NBA this season.

One might never play in the NBA. 




I see a big difference right now. 

One was rumored to grab Danny Ainge's interest enough that we heard some rumors about Rondo being traded for the #2 pick.

But Ainge didn't.  He stayed with Rondo because he figured (correctly) that Rondo was the better NBA PG. 

[StartOrien]

Again, I don't disagree with you that Wall is going to be better than Rubio. But I think the arguments you're presenting are not valid

[Fafnir]

One was rumored to grab Danny Ainge's interest enough that we heard some rumors about Rondo being traded for the #2 pick.

I remember him trying to get Tyreke Evans more than Rubio, though he could have been targetting either player from the picks he was looking to get.

[Fafnir]

I think there is a better case for John Wall's athleticism to excel than Rubio's European pg savvy.

Super-athletic PG's drafted in the top 5:

2009-Tyreke Evans
2008-Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook
2007-Conley Jr (Not really super-athletic, but more so than say Raymond Felton)
2006-None
2005-Chris Paul, Deron Willaims
2204-Shaun Livingston, Devin Harris
2003-Jay Williams

Busts because of talent: Conley Jr (pending)
Busts because of injury: Jay Williams, Shaun Livingston

1 talent bust out of 9 in the last 10 years (there were none in 2002,2001,2000)

Now, I still believe Rubio will be good, but Wall ought to be better. Just a higher ceiling.

I don't think this list tells you anything about who's going to be a better PG. I mean Deron and CP3 are the best in the league for reasons other than their athleticism.

I think it tells you that athleticism is a requirement for most high draft picks, especially for guys who aren't tall.

[Who]

My only issue with Portland is that I haven't seen Favors play yet so I have no idea how to evaluate his potential.

How likely is he to be that 20/10 threat with very good defense and 10 All-Star appearances versus how likely is he to plateau as a double double guy?

I think Favors is the piece that puts them over the top, or not.

[indeedproceed]

Again, I don't disagree with you that Wall is going to be better than Rubio. But I think the arguments you're presenting are not valid

Yeah but you like my argument, don't you? You want to take my argument to Applebees and get two entrees for twenty dollars, maybe check out "The Town" starring Ben Affleck because it will have the appropriate mix of action and romance for a first date. Also, Wall Street 2 was sold out and my opinion hates Shia LeBeouf anyways.

[wdleehi]

Again, I don't disagree with you that Wall is going to be better than Rubio. But I think the arguments you're presenting are not valid

But they were all true.


NJ was ready to trade Favors.  The team that was going to receive him ended up rejecting the trade.


Jefferson has proven to be a 20 and 10 guy in the NBA.  Favors has to prove it. 

[Roy H.]

In terms of stars, I think that Lopez, Favors, Turner, and Rubio could all be star players some day.  On Detroit, I think only Big Al and John Wall meet that criteria, and Big Al is allergic to defense.

I'm much more sold of a front court of Lopez + Favors going forward.  We already know what we're going to get from Hibbert and Big Al; that's decent to very good offense and very bad defense (especially when playing together). 

Among the wings, I think Turner is a guy who is going to be excellent.  We know what we're getting from Williams, Azubuike, and Young; dashes of potential mixed with mediocrity.  Turner could be special.

Of the two PGs, I lean toward Wall, but Rubio also has the potential to be a top player at the position.

[StartOrien]

Again, I don't disagree with you that Wall is going to be better than Rubio. But I think the arguments you're presenting are not valid

Yeah but you like my argument, don't you? You want to take my argument to Applebees and get two entrees for twenty dollars, maybe check out "The Town" starring Ben Affleck because it will have the appropriate mix of action and romance for a first date. Also, Wall Street 2 was sold out and my opinion hates Shia LeBeouf anyways.

I'd take your argument to Macy's and I'd tell your argument to get anything it wants, cuz tonight was just about your argument.

[indeedproceed]

Among the wings, I think Turner is a guy who is going to be excellent.  We know what we're getting from Williams, Azubuike, and Young; dashes of potential mixed with mediocrity.  Turner could be special.

I don't know why, but I'm really down on Turner. If he shows himself to be a Brandon Roy type talent and scorer/all-around player I will be completely shocked.

[Who]

Among the wings, I think Turner is a guy who is going to be excellent.  We know what we're getting from Williams, Azubuike, and Young; dashes of potential mixed with mediocrity.  Turner could be special.

Luke Babbitt is a wild card for Detroit. He might be their best wing and third best player overall in a few years or he might be a mediocre player. A large potential swing.

[Donoghus]

Among the wings, I think Turner is a guy who is going to be excellent.  We know what we're getting from Williams, Azubuike, and Young; dashes of potential mixed with mediocrity.  Turner could be special.

I don't know why, but I'm really down on Turner. If he shows himself to be a Brandon Roy type talent and scorer/all-around player I will be completely shocked.

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I'm pretty high on Turner, myself.  I actually think he has the potential to be better than Roy. 

Big expectations from me.