CB Draft Team of the Future (Poll's Posted)

[StartOrien]

Again, I don't disagree with you that Wall is going to be better than Rubio. But I think the arguments you're presenting are not valid

But they were all true.


NJ was ready to trade Favors.  The team that was going to receive him ended up rejecting the trade.


Jefferson has proven to be a 20 and 10 guy in the NBA.  Favors has to prove it. 

I guess I shouldn't say 'invalid' as much as I just don't think it means much.

Ya, Favors was almost traded for Carmelo Anthony.
Yes, Rubio hasn't played in the NBA.
Yes, Al Jefferson has gotten numbers but I've also think we've seen his roof. I think we've seen enough of a sample size out of Big Al to see what he is. He's a taller, less talented Zack Randolph.

I take this excercise to be where I project the players to be in three to five years.

I take Lopez over Big Al 100 times out of 100.
I take Favors over Roy Hibbert 100 times out of a 100.

For me, the argument kind of stops there.

[Who]

Among the wings, I think Turner is a guy who is going to be excellent.  We know what we're getting from Williams, Azubuike, and Young; dashes of potential mixed with mediocrity.  Turner could be special.

I don't know why, but I'm really down on Turner. If he shows himself to be a Brandon Roy type talent and scorer/all-around player I will be completely shocked.

As a rookie, I think Turner is going to have a season a lot like James Harden's. I don't think he is going to get the ball enough (with Iggy, Jrue and Lou Will) to do much more than that. A 14/5/3 threat.

Nice potential going forward though. A great nose for the ball which leads to terrific rebounding + very good defense + very good ball-handling and passing for a wing + very good slashing and solid scoring.

Turner has a lot of ways that he can effect a game ... I'd be very surprised if he failed to become a star in the NBA. Too good in too many areas.

[Roy H.]

Among the wings, I think Turner is a guy who is going to be excellent.  We know what we're getting from Williams, Azubuike, and Young; dashes of potential mixed with mediocrity.  Turner could be special.

I don't know why, but I'm really down on Turner. If he shows himself to be a Brandon Roy type talent and scorer/all-around player I will be completely shocked.

Really?  Shocked?  He averaged 20/9/6 as a 6'7" guy in college.  I think he's already shown himself to be a pretty good all-around player, who could finish inside and shoot from outside. 

[Donoghus]

Among the wings, I think Turner is a guy who is going to be excellent.  We know what we're getting from Williams, Azubuike, and Young; dashes of potential mixed with mediocrity.  Turner could be special.

I don't know why, but I'm really down on Turner. If he shows himself to be a Brandon Roy type talent and scorer/all-around player I will be completely shocked.

Really?  Shocked?  He averaged 20/9/6 as a 6'7" guy in college.  I think he's already shown himself to be a pretty good all-around player, who could finish inside and shoot from outside.  

Guy was an absolute stud at Ohio State.  There's nothing that I saw from him last season that tells me he can't be a star in the NBA if he works at it and stays healthy.

[indeedproceed]

Among the wings, I think Turner is a guy who is going to be excellent.  We know what we're getting from Williams, Azubuike, and Young; dashes of potential mixed with mediocrity.  Turner could be special.

Luke Babbitt is a wild card for Detroit. He might be their best wing and third best player overall in a few years or he might be a mediocre player. A large potential swing.

Also I love Detroit's depth. Ryan Andersen, Ben Gordon..both rotation level players at worst, starters at best right now. Aside from the pile of regret known as Mike Bibby, Detroit's bench is head and shoulders above Portland's here.

Then, possible high level players like Luke Babbiit, and physcial specimens like Larry Sanders or Kevin Seraphin who completely change the team dynamic if just one of them blow up.

My money is on Larry Sanders. Poor Ersan Ilyasova and Luc Mbah a Moute. They're going to get bumped from PT within a year if Sanders emerges as a player that Milwaukee can put next to Bogut.

[indeedproceed]

Among the wings, I think Turner is a guy who is going to be excellent.  We know what we're getting from Williams, Azubuike, and Young; dashes of potential mixed with mediocrity.  Turner could be special.

I don't know why, but I'm really down on Turner. If he shows himself to be a Brandon Roy type talent and scorer/all-around player I will be completely shocked.

Really?  Shocked?  He averaged 20/9/6 as a 6'7" guy in college.  I think he's already shown himself to be a pretty good all-around player, who could finish inside and shoot from outside. 

I think Who hit the nose on the head.

James Harden is to blame here. I had such high hopes for the kid, and I know I'm not alone in that Brandon Roy is currently in the running for the "My Favorite Non-Celtic" contest.

James Harden is making me temper my expectations for anyone people pass off as "not very athletic but with a great feel for the game..kind of like a poor man's Brandon Roy"

[wdleehi]

I didn't need every player on my team to grow into a star.  Solid role players to fill different roles.

Can Portland get all these "potential" stars enough touches to develop into these "potential" stars?




Detroit only has one guy it has to develop into that high scorer.  Gordon and Jefferson are already proven to be 20 point scorers in the NBA.  They will take a lot of pressure off Wall as well as giving him two strong weapons to pass to.  The rest of the starting lineup are capable secondary scorers  (the 10-12 point a game)

[StartOrien]

I didn't need every player on my team to grow into a star.  Solid role players to fill different roles.

Can Portland get all these "potential" stars enough touches to develop into these "potential" stars?




Detroit only has one guy it has to develop into that high scorer.  Gordon and Jefferson are already proven to be 20 point scorers in the NBA.  They will take a lot of pressure off Wall as well as giving him two strong weapons to pass to.  The rest of the starting lineup are capable secondary scorers  (the 10-12 point a game)

Aren't you showing why your team shouldn't win this category? Your team doesn't expect all that much growth from its players b/c they're relatively close to their peeks.

In that case, your team is, or atleast somewhat close to what it's going to be at its best. Which co-gm's voted to be a non-playoff team.

Even if Wall turns into a healthy version of Chris Paul, I just don't think its a championship caliber team.

[StartOrien]

Meanwhile, Portland's a solid team with some clear roles.

They have a distributor out of Rubio. They have a go to perimeter scorer in Turner, they have an athletic big who can get up and down the court in Favors and they've got a great post option in Brook Lopez.

[nickagneta]

If there's ever a vote, I have to throw mine Portland's way. 2nd would be Golden State. Third Detroit.

I just think in this game you win with potential future stars and possibly superstars. Lopez, Favors, Rubio and Turner are 4 players with star to superstar potential. No other team has that.

So they win in my book.

[wdleehi]

I didn't need every player on my team to grow into a star.  Solid role players to fill different roles.

Can Portland get all these "potential" stars enough touches to develop into these "potential" stars?




Detroit only has one guy it has to develop into that high scorer.  Gordon and Jefferson are already proven to be 20 point scorers in the NBA.  They will take a lot of pressure off Wall as well as giving him two strong weapons to pass to.  The rest of the starting lineup are capable secondary scorers  (the 10-12 point a game)

Aren't you showing why your team shouldn't win this category? Your team doesn't expect all that much growth from its players b/c they're relatively close to their peeks.

In that case, your team is, or atleast somewhat close to what it's going to be at its best. Which co-gm's voted to be a non-playoff team.

Even if Wall turns into a healthy version of Chris Paul, I just don't think its a championship caliber team.

I have the potential player with the highest ceiling (Wall).  I have a young offensive PF that is already offensively what they hope Favors can be.  Now, he will be taught defense (He is on a good team defense team in Utah)  All my players are actually in the NBA.  And I have put around them young guys that can play roles.  Guys that have had big playoff games.  Guys that have been on winning teams. 


Talk what you want about Favors and Turner, the teams that drafted them were deflated lotto night when they lost out on Walls. 

[nickagneta]

Talk what you want about Favors and Turner, the teams that drafted them were deflated lotto night when they lost out on Walls. 

And yet if the real Washington Wizards could have traded Walls for both Evan Turner and Derrick Favors they would have done so without hesitation.

And the CB Draft Portland team HAS both of those players on their team PLUS Rubio PLUS a player that is extremely young and already a top 5 center in the league.

To me that trumps that your arguments.

[wdleehi]

Talk what you want about Favors and Turner, the teams that drafted them were deflated lotto night when they lost out on Walls. 

And yet if the real Washington Wizards could have traded Walls for both Evan Turner and Derrick Favors they would have done so without hesitation.

And the CB Draft Portland team HAS both of those players on their team PLUS Rubio PLUS a player that is extremely young and already a top 5 center in the league.

To me that trumps that your arguments.

If they had Al Jefferson, they wouldn't.  They would take the best player in the draft and put him with a young 20 and 10 player instead of taking a lesser guard to put with a PF they hope might develop into a 20 and 10 player. 



And who says they would make that trade? 



PLUS a PG that may NEVER come to the NBA.  For two years, we have heard about Rubio.  But no Rubio in the NBA yet.  My team has players in the NBA. 




I have the biggest potential STAR.   And we know how the NBA treats the biggest STARS. 

[StartOrien]

I'd say the biggest potential star is Brook Lopez.

Again, I go back to my point before, if everyone projects to the lofty expectations held for them you still don't have a championship team.

[wdleehi]

I'd say the biggest potential star is Brook Lopez.

Again, I go back to my point before, if everyone projects to the lofty expectations held for them you still don't have a championship team.

He certainly has the most size. 


He will likely be a top 5 Center in the NBA for his career. 



But he doesn't have the star potential of a Wall.