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Re: Scal ranked least productive C's regular of alltime.
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2010, 11:29:04 AM »

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Scal was definitely overpaid; there's no real argument about that.  There are just a ton of quality players making less than the $3 million per season Scal was earning.

However, I do think his contributions did extend a bit into the realm of "intangibles".  He definitely wouldn't be in the bottom five of Celtics I would want on my team.


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Re: Scal ranked least productive C's regular of alltime.
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2010, 11:54:34 AM »

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  For players with over 1000 minutes since 1979 (on the celtics web page) I'll nominate Mark Acres, Orien Greene. Calbert Cheaney, Micheal Smith, and Fred Roberts as well as Acie. For unproductive players that put up better numbers than Scal (ie meaningless stats) I'll start with Todd Day and Mark Blount.

Re: Scal ranked least productive C's regular of alltime.
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2010, 12:15:02 PM »

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No surprise there considering the fact that he is among the lowest in actual minutes played on this team and in the playoffs and finals is pretty much a non-factor because he never gets any playing time. He's like the Lakers' version of Adam Morrison, except in Morrison's case at one point he was  leading the NCAA in scoring. 

I guess that's why they sometimes call him the mascot of the Boston Celtics, well besides Lucky the Leprechaun... ;D

Let's just put it this way -- I'd rather watch women's basketball than watch Scal. I know that might sound mean to either party (whether Scal or the WNBA), however the obnoxious Scal chants in TD Bankworth Arena whenever he was on the court detracted from the contributions made by his fellow teammates so I for one still can't take the guy seriously. Speaking of the WNBA, game 3 of their Finals was on last night...
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Re: Scal ranked least productive C's regular of alltime.
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2010, 01:37:26 PM »

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The funny thing here is that I wonder if they are even watching the games....seeing how Scal played his role effectively for us.

Last year for Scal was tough, with those concussions and all, but I just cannot agree with whatever their rationale is.

It just seemed to me that while Scal certainly was not the most talented player on our team, he played his role really well and did not make many mistakes while in the game.

This sort of stuff from ESPN makes me appreciate some other sports outlets even more. For example - that Kelly Dwyer piece from Yahoo Sports I believe that had the PF ranking several weeks ago? They had KG ranked number 8, and rightfully so - but at least Dwyer had the knowledge to state that KG's intangibles make him much more valuable than the ranking alone.

I think the same thing applies to Scal, and it's much more than him being a good guy. Over the last few years - when he was healthy - Scal was a rotation player for us.

Sure - Scal made a lot of money to just be a rotation player, but looking back I can't be mad at him. That 15Mil was his Big Payday - his max contract, I believe.
On what planet was Scal a rotation player? He was at best a reserve, sometimes a bench warmer or cheer leader.

Brendan - What about the few games where Scal started because of injuries to our starters? Or the games where he may not have started, but was the 6th or 7th player off the bench - again due to injuries?

We can't always look at stats - we all know this, right?
You are cherry picking a few successes. All the other unproductive players had their few good moments too.

You seem to be ignoring his first 2 horrific seasons when he actually had a chance to get minutes.

Re: Scal ranked least productive C's regular of alltime.
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2010, 01:42:41 PM »

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The funny thing here is that I wonder if they are even watching the games....seeing how Scal played his role effectively for us.

Last year for Scal was tough, with those concussions and all, but I just cannot agree with whatever their rationale is.

It just seemed to me that while Scal certainly was not the most talented player on our team, he played his role really well and did not make many mistakes while in the game.

This sort of stuff from ESPN makes me appreciate some other sports outlets even more. For example - that Kelly Dwyer piece from Yahoo Sports I believe that had the PF ranking several weeks ago? They had KG ranked number 8, and rightfully so - but at least Dwyer had the knowledge to state that KG's intangibles make him much more valuable than the ranking alone.

I think the same thing applies to Scal, and it's much more than him being a good guy. Over the last few years - when he was healthy - Scal was a rotation player for us.

Sure - Scal made a lot of money to just be a rotation player, but looking back I can't be mad at him. That 15Mil was his Big Payday - his max contract, I believe.
On what planet was Scal a rotation player? He was at best a reserve, sometimes a bench warmer or cheer leader.

Brendan - What about the few games where Scal started because of injuries to our starters? Or the games where he may not have started, but was the 6th or 7th player off the bench - again due to injuries?

We can't always look at stats - we all know this, right?
You are cherry picking a few successes. All the other unproductive players had their few good moments too.

You seem to be ignoring his first 2 horrific seasons when he actually had a chance to get minutes.

  I don't think he's talking about successes (per se), just times that he played enough that he could be considered a rotation player.

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« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2010, 02:20:50 PM »

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For every good moment that Scal had no the floor, he had about 8 bad ones. He was truly a terrible player....that's great that he was a good locker room presence, considering you're supposed to do that anyway.

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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2010, 02:53:22 PM »

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What was that name of that real fat out of shape Center prospect we had (it was during the Lakers title runs when they had Shaq) It was something Hamilton....I think.  Yeah him he was terrible.

I think I remember him getting in to a game against the Lakers and he blew a dunk or something and the Lakers bench looked like they were @ Def Comedy Jam laughing at him ::) .  They were laughing so hard some had to put towels over their faces to hide it.

Man I would take O'Bryant 2x over that scrub anyday.
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Re: Scal ranked least productive C's regular of alltime.
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2010, 02:58:51 PM »

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The funny thing here is that I wonder if they are even watching the games....seeing how Scal played his role effectively for us.

Last year for Scal was tough, with those concussions and all, but I just cannot agree with whatever their rationale is.

It just seemed to me that while Scal certainly was not the most talented player on our team, he played his role really well and did not make many mistakes while in the game.

This sort of stuff from ESPN makes me appreciate some other sports outlets even more. For example - that Kelly Dwyer piece from Yahoo Sports I believe that had the PF ranking several weeks ago? They had KG ranked number 8, and rightfully so - but at least Dwyer had the knowledge to state that KG's intangibles make him much more valuable than the ranking alone.

I think the same thing applies to Scal, and it's much more than him being a good guy. Over the last few years - when he was healthy - Scal was a rotation player for us.

Sure - Scal made a lot of money to just be a rotation player, but looking back I can't be mad at him. That 15Mil was his Big Payday - his max contract, I believe.
On what planet was Scal a rotation player? He was at best a reserve, sometimes a bench warmer or cheer leader.

Brendan - What about the few games where Scal started because of injuries to our starters? Or the games where he may not have started, but was the 6th or 7th player off the bench - again due to injuries?

We can't always look at stats - we all know this, right?
You are cherry picking a few successes. All the other unproductive players had their few good moments too.

You seem to be ignoring his first 2 horrific seasons when he actually had a chance to get minutes.

  I don't think he's talking about successes (per se), just times that he played enough that he could be considered a rotation player.
I think 3000+ minutes over a five year contract qualifies as a rotation player.

Re: Scal ranked least productive C's regular of alltime.
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2010, 04:11:03 PM »

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The funny thing here is that I wonder if they are even watching the games....seeing how Scal played his role effectively for us.

Last year for Scal was tough, with those concussions and all, but I just cannot agree with whatever their rationale is.

It just seemed to me that while Scal certainly was not the most talented player on our team, he played his role really well and did not make many mistakes while in the game.

This sort of stuff from ESPN makes me appreciate some other sports outlets even more. For example - that Kelly Dwyer piece from Yahoo Sports I believe that had the PF ranking several weeks ago? They had KG ranked number 8, and rightfully so - but at least Dwyer had the knowledge to state that KG's intangibles make him much more valuable than the ranking alone.

I think the same thing applies to Scal, and it's much more than him being a good guy. Over the last few years - when he was healthy - Scal was a rotation player for us.

Sure - Scal made a lot of money to just be a rotation player, but looking back I can't be mad at him. That 15Mil was his Big Payday - his max contract, I believe.
On what planet was Scal a rotation player? He was at best a reserve, sometimes a bench warmer or cheer leader.

Brendan - What about the few games where Scal started because of injuries to our starters? Or the games where he may not have started, but was the 6th or 7th player off the bench - again due to injuries?

We can't always look at stats - we all know this, right?
You are cherry picking a few successes. All the other unproductive players had their few good moments too.

You seem to be ignoring his first 2 horrific seasons when he actually had a chance to get minutes.

  I don't think he's talking about successes (per se), just times that he played enough that he could be considered a rotation player.
I'm not sure "playing enough" has any relevance to a discussion of "least productive" besides the obvious need for the player to play enough to be considered for the list.

He played enough to show that he is unproductive.

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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2010, 04:37:19 PM »

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But in an ideal world, he would have not played enough to be this unproductive.  Poor team construction and injuries probably accounted for 75% of Scalabrine's minutes. 

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« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2010, 04:49:32 PM »

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ESPN, huh?

I wonder what would be "The Least Productive 1 Hour Televised Special" of all time?

I bet "The Decision" would rank up near the top..........

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« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2010, 05:36:47 PM »

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Guys, I'll take Scal over Mikki Moore or Pat O'Bryant any day.  Scal knew how to play basketball and as long as his role was small he could play reasonably well within that role.  

Scal's a guy you put on the floor and hope that you don't notice him, and more often than not he's surprisingly good at not getting noticed.  In that sense, his lack of production is kind of a good thing.  Better a player who doesn't take many shots or mix it up on the floor because he knows he can't than a crappy player who takes a lot of shots cause he thinks he's a great scorer (e.g. Gerald Greene).
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Re: Scal ranked least productive C's regular of alltime.
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2010, 06:23:47 PM »

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Guys, I'll take Scal over Mikki Moore or Pat O'Bryant any day.  Scal knew how to play basketball and as long as his role was small he could play reasonably well within that role.  

Scal's a guy you put on the floor and hope that you don't notice him, and more often than not he's surprisingly good at not getting noticed.  In that sense, his lack of production is kind of a good thing.  Better a player who doesn't take many shots or mix it up on the floor because he knows he can't than a crappy player who takes a lot of shots cause he thinks he's a great scorer (e.g. Gerald Greene).
I'd take him over those two also, but O'Bryant was never a rotation player and we only had Mikki Moore for 1/4 of a year.  Is it good that he didn't get noticed?  He could play 30 minutes and have 0 rebounds, 3 points, 0 assists, 5 fouls.  That is pretty hard to do, and Scal was the master of it.

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« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2010, 07:11:46 PM »

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But in an ideal world, he would have not played enough to be this unproductive.  Poor team construction and injuries probably accounted for 75% of Scalabrine's minutes. 
On the other hand, good team construction allowed us to hide his weaknesses the past 3 years by keeping him on the bench.

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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2010, 08:19:04 PM »

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Scal is awful thank gosh he is gone. Someone dispute this, good luck!