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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #240 on: September 15, 2010, 03:10:20 PM »

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You are right I am bored. I got a ton of my reading for school out of the way last night(amazing what can be done when you don't sleep), did my inventory and placed my PO's and did my A.P. And the phones are quiet so I am bored.

Second, it's rather strange the credit you give Jennings for "helping lead" the Bucks into the playoffs. Let's take a look at some before and after stats for the date Feb 1st 2010:

Bucks record before Feb 1st: 20-25
Bucks record after  Feb 1st: 26-11

Jennings MPG before Feb 1st: 34.3
Jennings MPG after  Feb 1st: 30.4

Jennings PPG before Feb 1st: 17.7
Jennings PPG after  Feb 1st: 12.8

Jennings PP36 before Feb 1st: 18.6
Jennings PP36 after  Feb 1st: 15.2

Jennings APG before Feb 1st: 6.2
Jennings APG after  Feb 1st: 5.1

Jennings AP36 before Feb 1st: 6.5
Jennings AP36 after  Feb 1st: 6.0

Jennings FG% before Feb 1st: 38.2%
Jennings FG% after  Feb 1st: 35.3%

Jennings 3PT% before Feb 1st: 39.4%
Jennings 3PT% after  Feb 1st: 34.7%

So....you want us to believe that the Milwaukee late season surge that got them into the playoffs and a 5th seed was led by Jennings who coincidentally had a sizable reduction of minutes, shot worse, scored substantially less points, and was generally on a per minute basis much more ineffective? Yet the guy you don't believe in on the Atlanta team, Luke Ridnour, who happened to be jennings backup on the real Bucks had the following stats pre and post Feb 1st:


Ridnour MPG before Feb 1st: 22.4
Ridnour MPG after  Feb 1st: 20.2

Ridnour PPG before Feb 1st: 11.5
Ridnour PPG after  Feb 1st: 9.1

Ridnour PP36 before Feb 1st: 18.5
Ridnour PP36 after  Feb 1st: 16.2

Ridnour APG before Feb 1st: 4.0
Ridnour APG after  Feb 1st: 3.9

Ridnour AP36 before Feb 1st: 6.4
Ridnour AP36 after  Feb 1st: 7.0

Ridnour FG% before Feb 1st: 48.8%
Ridnour FG% after  Feb 1st: 46.3%

Jennings 3PT% before Feb 1st: 31.5%
Jennings 3PT% after  Feb 1st: 34.2%

So the guy, Ridnour, who during the period where the Bucks surged into the playoffs, on a per minute basis, shot the ball better than Jennings, passed the ball better than Jennings, scored more than Jennings and overall played much, much better than Jennings and was the steadying influence on the team during their surge is the guy you DON't believe in as a PG and Jennings is a player you trust?

Dang good thing you have LeBron to play point forward because I'm not sure your trust in PGs can be trusted.

By the way the stat that shows over and over again that LeBron playing point forward on the perimeter is a losing formula are all those losses in the playoffs which netted exactly zero championships. If he wants to lead his club to a championship he might want to stop being the ultimate creator for others and his own shot. We'll see this year if that statement is correct but one thing we do know is that him being the point forward is a losing formula when it comes to championships.

Lastly, regarding Milwaukee's stunningly forcing a game seven to a heavily favored 4th seed:

1. Atlanta should not have been heavily favored as Milwaukee was playing some of the best ball in the NBA over the last 2 1/2 months of the season

2. 4th and 5th seeds tend to be closely matched and play close series. It's the nature of being a 4th and 5th seed in an 8 team playoff format


Atl was 3rd and Mil was 6th.


Bos was 4th and Miami was 5th. 
My bad that's right. I was assuming IP was correct when he mentioned the 4th seed.

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #241 on: September 15, 2010, 03:25:04 PM »

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You are right I am bored. I got a ton of my reading for school out of the way last night(amazing what can be done when you don't sleep), did my inventory and placed my PO's and did my A.P. And the phones are quiet so I am bored.

Second, it's rather strange the credit you give Jennings for "helping lead" the Bucks into the playoffs. Let's take a look at some before and after stats for the date Feb 1st 2010:

(Nick put lots of stats here)

So....you want us to believe that the Milwaukee late season surge that got them into the playoffs and a 5th seed was led by Jennings who coincidentally had a sizable reduction of minutes, shot worse, scored substantially less points, and was generally on a per minute basis much more ineffective? Yet the guy you don't believe in on the Atlanta team, Luke Ridnour, who happened to be jennings backup on the real Bucks had the following stats pre and post Feb 1st:

{Nick put some more stats here)

So the guy, Ridnour, who during the period where the Bucks surged into the playoffs, on a per minute basis, shot the ball better than Jennings, passed the ball better than Jennings, scored more than Jennings and overall played much, much better than Jennings and was the steadying influence on the team during their surge is the guy you DON't believe in as a PG and Jennings is a player you trust?

Dang good thing you have LeBron to play point forward because I'm not sure your trust in PGs can be trusted.

Wow. You cherry picking, stat skewing, fact distorting, son-of-a-biscuit. Not since the first annual 'Canadian International Dweebs Day" has there been more pure concentrated hosery in one place.

1) If Jennings was soooo terrible, then tell me, why did he start? Why didn't Ridnour's minutes increase? Its because Jennings was THE BETTER PLAYER. He's a better defender, he's a better scorer, and he's just better.

2) I said he HELPED lead. As in, he was PART of the effort that got them to the playoffs. Honestly most of the load goes to Bogut, which I have never disputed. But, if you think Jennings is not the vocal leader of that team, you're nuts. I don't care what stats you have, you're just flat wrong.


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By the way the stat that shows over and over again that LeBron playing point forward on the perimeter is a losing formula are all those losses in the playoffs which netted exactly zero championships. If he wants to lead his club to a championship he might want to stop being the ultimate creator for others and his own shot. We'll see this year if that statement is correct but one thing we do know is that him being the point forward is a losing formula when it comes to championships.

Oh come on...by that logic, Dwight Howard as the best player on a team cannot win a championship. By that logic Raymond Felton as a starting point guard can't win a playoff series. Luis Scola as a starting power forward cannot be a champion. It is a ridiculous statement.

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Lastly, regarding Milwaukee's stunningly forcing a game seven to a heavily favored 4th seed:

1. Atlanta should not have been heavily favored as Milwaukee was playing some of the best ball in the NBA over the last 2 1/2 months of the season

2. 4th and 5th seeds tend to be closely matched and play close series. It's the nature of being a 4th and 5th seed in an 8 team playoff format
4th and 5th seeds might tend to be closely matched, but you're neglecting something: Andrew Bogut went down with six games to go in the regular season! The Bucks faced a team in the playoffs that had racked up 53 wins during the regular season, good for third in the conference. Even WITH Andrew Bogut, they were only a 46 win team. Without him, there were presumably shot.

Jennings got on his horse in the playoffs and rattled off 18.7 ppg on 41% shooting, and was the leading scorer in 2 of the Bucks' 3 wins.

You keep throwing your stats out, but Jennings body of work speaks for himself.

EDIT: 3rd and sixth than. Even better.

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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #242 on: September 15, 2010, 04:43:54 PM »

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TP IP. This should be fun tomorrow.

BTW. Boxers rule and are famous for their fighting style. Bulls stink and are known for their sh... manure.

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #243 on: September 15, 2010, 04:44:52 PM »

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In a Bullfight guess who dies?

The Bulls.

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #244 on: September 15, 2010, 04:51:05 PM »

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Lastly for today, I might be a "cherry picking, stat skewing, fact distorting, son-of-a-biscuit" but let me ask you something.

If by some strange miracle like all the planets aligning and and you happening to have a four leaf clover, a rabbit's foot and a horseshoe in your backside and the Bulls beat the Boxers, if I offered you my "cherry picking, stat skewing" research services for the rest of the playoffs for the Bulls and there was no ruling against it, would you accept them?

EDIT: This is meant as a joke and friendly banter so let's go thinking I would actually do this or am suggesting anyone has or should do this.
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #245 on: September 15, 2010, 04:54:06 PM »

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This one is shaping up to be the Bulls-Knicks Early 90s of the CB Draft.


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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #246 on: September 15, 2010, 04:58:26 PM »

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Okay I lied that wasn't it for today.

I wonder if after the Boxers beat the Bulls if Lebron will continue his babyish, immature, disaster of a leader ways and storm off and pout somewhere and refuse to shake hands with the Boxer players?

I wonder if he'll just throw towels on the floor in Washington instead of handing them to the Boxer towelboys near courtside?

I wonder if he'll decide to just not shoot from the outside when the Boxers give him the outside shot and instead try to "create"?

I wonder when he'll quit on his team mates?

I wonder who on the Bulls is sleeping with his mom now?

Just things voters should wonder about!!!

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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #247 on: September 15, 2010, 05:01:21 PM »

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This one is shaping up to be the Bulls-Knicks Early 90s of the CB Draft.
Yeah, should be entertaining if nothing else.

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #248 on: September 15, 2010, 05:08:48 PM »

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This one is shaping up to be the Bulls-Knicks Early 90s of the CB Draft.

Does that mean the team with the superstar wins?


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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #249 on: September 15, 2010, 05:10:02 PM »

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This one is shaping up to be the Bulls-Knicks Early 90s of the CB Draft.

I would think that we might see A LOT of use of the caps lock to show emphasis tomorrow.

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #250 on: September 15, 2010, 06:40:07 PM »

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This one is shaping up to be the Bulls-Knicks Early 90s of the CB Draft.

I would think that we might see A LOT of use of the caps lock to show emphasis tomorrow.

When you guys start hearing me yell, I will stop writing in caps.

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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #251 on: September 15, 2010, 07:01:53 PM »

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This one is shaping up to be the Bulls-Knicks Early 90s of the CB Draft.

I would think that we might see A LOT of use of the caps lock to show emphasis tomorrow.

When you guys start hearing me yell, I will stop writing in caps.
WHAT?

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #252 on: September 15, 2010, 07:02:05 PM »

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Any thoughts on the Orlando Milwaukee Matchup? I think i like most of my starting 5 matchups in this one
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference
« Reply #253 on: September 15, 2010, 07:03:31 PM »

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Any thoughts on the Orlando Milwaukee Matchup? I think i like most of my starting 5 matchups in this one
Yeah...after the Boxers beat the Bulls we'll best the Bucks.

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« Reply #254 on: September 15, 2010, 07:06:02 PM »

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Any thoughts on the Orlando Milwaukee Matchup? I think i like most of my starting 5 matchups in this one
Yeah...after the Boxers beat the Bulls we'll best the Bucks.

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