CB Draft Ballot Results! (link to file on page 8 and page 1)

[nickagneta]

Well, IP, you are right. I should have said superduper stars. I did mean the top 5-6 name stars in the league.  And I think name reputation is important. For instance I think Chris Paul gets a lot more preferential treatment than does someone like Kevin Durant and that Tim Duncan a lot more than Pau Gasol.

Also, I did post my results of my balot a while back and for all the complaining I did about not thinking the team's supporting cast was as good as the cast LeBron has had around him recently, and I stand by that, I still had you placed 3rd.

[indeedproceed]

Also, I did post my results of my balot a while back and for all the complaining I did about not thinking the team's supporting cast was as good as the cast LeBron has had around him recently, and I stand by that, I still had you placed 3rd.

Yeah but with Washington in the mix on your ballot, I bet I'm 4th, right?

[action781]

I think teams with huge name superstars get special treatment and, lastly, I absolutely believe people severely penalize teams for who their GM is regardless of the team.

I think teams with superstars win games.

2010 Conference Finals Teams: Boston (we know who plays for Boston, but KG is still one of the most recognizable people in the NBA), Orlando (Howard), LA (Kobe, Gasol), Phoenix (Nash, Stoudemire)

2009 Conference Finals Teams: Orlando (Howard), Cleveland (James), LA (Kobe), Denver (Melo, Billups)

2008 Conference Finals: Detroit (maybe the one non-superstar team), Boston, San An (Duncan), LA (Kobe)

2007 Conference Finals: San An (Duncan), Utah (Williams), Cleveland (James), Detroit

That's going back 4 years. You say teams with stars are getting preferential treatment, but Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Steve Nash, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, and Paul Pierce\Ray Allen (on the same team!) are all out of the playoffs. Where is their preferential treatment?

Now if you'd said  "LeBron James, Dywane Wade, Kobe Bryant, and Dwight Howard all got preferential treatment", I would let it slide, because at least one of those 4 guys has been in the conference finals for the past 4 seasons. They should get preferential treatment, they've been leading teams deep into the playoffs for years.

As far as the GM thing, I think people can bear grudges, or try to strategically 'spike' ballots one way or the other, but those tactics are usually pretty transparent. Basically the same guys that have been low on your team from the end of the draft and through the pressers are going to be low on it come voting time.

For instance, Nick..you've been pretty down on my boys. I'd be interested to see where you ranked Chicago. I'm guessing.......4th? Maybe 5th on the outside?

I agree, IP.  Teams with superstars win games in the playoffs.  My objective guess would be that the only one of those superstars to lead their team to the NBA conference finals in the 3 past consecutive seasons should have a real good shot at making it there in the CBNBA this season.  At least make it through the first round, I'd say.

I'm looking really hard, but for some reason, I can't find Dirk Nowitzki on that list anywhere...

 

p.s. Let the games begin...

[mgent]

I think teams with huge name superstars get special treatment and, lastly, I absolutely believe people severely penalize teams for who their GM is regardless of the team.

I think teams with superstars win games.

2010 Conference Finals Teams: Boston (we know who plays for Boston, but KG is still one of the most recognizable people in the NBA), Orlando (Howard), LA (Kobe, Gasol), Phoenix (Nash, Stoudemire)

2009 Conference Finals Teams: Orlando (Howard), Cleveland (James), LA (Kobe), Denver (Melo, Billups)

2008 Conference Finals: Detroit (maybe the one non-superstar team), Boston, San An (Duncan), LA (Kobe)

2007 Conference Finals: San An (Duncan), Utah (Williams), Cleveland (James), Detroit

That's going back 4 years. You say teams with stars are getting preferential treatment, but Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Steve Nash, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, and Paul Pierce\Ray Allen (on the same team!) are all out of the playoffs. Where is their preferential treatment?

Now if you'd said  "LeBron James, Dywane Wade, Kobe Bryant, and Dwight Howard all got preferential treatment", I would let it slide, because at least one of those 4 guys has been in the conference finals for the past 4 seasons. They should get preferential treatment, they've been leading teams deep into the playoffs for years.

As far as the GM thing, I think people can bear grudges, or try to strategically 'spike' ballots one way or the other, but those tactics are usually pretty transparent. Basically the same guys that have been low on your team from the end of the draft and through the pressers are going to be low on it come voting time.

For instance, Nick..you've been pretty down on my boys. I'd be interested to see where you ranked Chicago. I'm guessing.......4th? Maybe 5th on the outside?

I agree, IP.  Teams with superstars win games in the playoffs.  My objective guess would be that the only one of those superstars to lead their team to the NBA conference finals in the 3 past consecutive seasons should have a real good shot at making it there in the CBNBA this season.  At least make it through the first round, I'd say.

I'm looking really hard, but for some reason, I can't find Dirk Nowitzki on that list anywhere...

 

Nope, but I see Garnett AND Billups.   

[nickagneta]

Also, I did post my results of my balot a while back and for all the complaining I did about not thinking the team's supporting cast was as good as the cast LeBron has had around him recently, and I stand by that, I still had you placed 3rd.

Yeah but with Washington in the mix on your ballot, I bet I'm 4th, right?

I am neither going to confirm nor deny that but I will say that I think there are five teams in the East at the top that all could win the East. Chicago is one as is Atlanta, Milwaukee, Washington and New York. The seeding at the very top was, for me, very close and there wasn't a real clear cut, this team is much better than the rest, type of team. And that goes in both conferences.

[indeedproceed]

Also, I did post my results of my balot a while back and for all the complaining I did about not thinking the team's supporting cast was as good as the cast LeBron has had around him recently, and I stand by that, I still had you placed 3rd.

Yeah but with Washington in the mix on your ballot, I bet I'm 4th, right?

I am neither going to confirm nor deny that

You got Ari Fleischer feeding you lines?

[nickagneta]

Also, I did post my results of my balot a while back and for all the complaining I did about not thinking the team's supporting cast was as good as the cast LeBron has had around him recently, and I stand by that, I still had you placed 3rd.

Yeah but with Washington in the mix on your ballot, I bet I'm 4th, right?

I am neither going to confirm nor deny that

You got Ari Fleischer feeding you lines?

Roy Hobbs

[action781]

Also, I did post my results of my balot a while back and for all the complaining I did about not thinking the team's supporting cast was as good as the cast LeBron has had around him recently, and I stand by that, I still had you placed 3rd.

Yeah but with Washington in the mix on your ballot, I bet I'm 4th, right?

I am neither going to confirm nor deny that but I will say that I think there are five teams in the East at the top that all could win the East. Chicago is one as is Atlanta, Milwaukee, Washington and New York. The seeding at the very top was, for me, very close and there wasn't a real clear cut, this team is much better than the rest, type of team. And that goes in both conferences.

By "win" the east, are you only referring to getting the top seed in the regular season when ballot voting?  Or are you referring to playoffs also?

I'm kind of assuming reg season, since ballots are what's being discussed right now.  But if you did playoffs, I'd find it interesting that you give NYK a chance at winning the East, but not Indy.  They are fairly similar teams w/ Indy having fewer health questions and much more playoff/championship experience.

[nickagneta]

Also, I did post my results of my balot a while back and for all the complaining I did about not thinking the team's supporting cast was as good as the cast LeBron has had around him recently, and I stand by that, I still had you placed 3rd.

Yeah but with Washington in the mix on your ballot, I bet I'm 4th, right?

I am neither going to confirm nor deny that but I will say that I think there are five teams in the East at the top that all could win the East. Chicago is one as is Atlanta, Milwaukee, Washington and New York. The seeding at the very top was, for me, very close and there wasn't a real clear cut, this team is much better than the rest, type of team. And that goes in both conferences.

By "win" the east, are you only referring to getting the top seed in the regular season when ballot voting?  Or are you referring to playoffs also?

I'm kind of assuming reg season, since ballots are what's being discussed right now.  But if you did playoffs, I'd find it interesting that you give NYK a chance at winning the East, but not Indy.  They are fairly similar teams w/ Indy having fewer health questions and much more playoff/championship experience.

I give Indiana zero chance of winning the East in the playoffs. Why? Kobe backlash on Celticsblog and the fact that besides Kobe and Marc Gasol, I just don't see you team as being that good.

[KCattheStripe]

To the Chicago Bulls:

[indeedproceed]

ha, you lose I can't view images from my phone

[action781]

Also, I did post my results of my balot a while back and for all the complaining I did about not thinking the team's supporting cast was as good as the cast LeBron has had around him recently, and I stand by that, I still had you placed 3rd.

Yeah but with Washington in the mix on your ballot, I bet I'm 4th, right?

I am neither going to confirm nor deny that but I will say that I think there are five teams in the East at the top that all could win the East. Chicago is one as is Atlanta, Milwaukee, Washington and New York. The seeding at the very top was, for me, very close and there wasn't a real clear cut, this team is much better than the rest, type of team. And that goes in both conferences.

By "win" the east, are you only referring to getting the top seed in the regular season when ballot voting?  Or are you referring to playoffs also?

I'm kind of assuming reg season, since ballots are what's being discussed right now.  But if you did playoffs, I'd find it interesting that you give NYK a chance at winning the East, but not Indy.  They are fairly similar teams w/ Indy having fewer health questions and much more playoff/championship experience.

I give Indiana zero chance of winning the East in the playoffs. Why? Kobe backlash on Celticsblog and the fact that besides Kobe and Marc Gasol, I just don't see you team as being that good.

But NYK is?  Let's leave cblog backlash against Kobe aside for now since you seem to think my team just isn't that good.  I'm going to focus this on comparing my playoff team to the NYK playoff team.

Kobe > Wade (arguable, I know you say no, but yes).  Put it this way, can Kobe be argued as the #1 player in the NBA?  Yes, and I can find real NBA analysts (Kenny Smith for one) who will say so.  Will a single NBA analyst say that Dwyane Wade is?  I haven't heard a single one since '06.  He's not even the best player on his team.  If you still refuse to consider Kobe > Wade in playoffs, I will lower down to equal, only if you are willing to do the same.  Otherwise, I will argue to the death what I really believe.

Gasol > 2nd best NYK player.  Role players?  When we're talking playoffs, Fisher and Pietrus have more deep recent playoff experience than anybody on NYK.  (KMart has done very little in that regard since 8 years ago.)  I drafted those role players for that very reason, assuming Kobe could carry Indy into a playoff birth.  Also, NYK's 6th man is a rookie.

Indy has 0 injury prone rotational players.  NYK has Oden, KMart, and the poster-child for ankle injuries Grant Hill.  OK, OK, Hill has proven himself healthy recently, so I'll leave him out.  I'll leave D-Wade out too since he's had 2 consecutive 70+ game seasons.  Still two question marks though in Oden and KMart.

So, I don't see how NYK is in the top 5 mix where there's "not one team being clearly better than rest" and Indy has 0 chance.

[action781]

"I believe that Kobe Bryant is still the best player in the game, his experience and his overall talent. It's not taking away from LeBron, it's not taking away from Carmelo, it's not taking away from myself," Wade told ESPN Radio Chicago. "Kobe has been in the game longer than the rest of us, he's older than us, he's smart with the game. He's the better player."

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59881/20090617/wade_kobe_is_the_best_but_mj_is_better/#ixzz0zGU3pbUV

[KCattheStripe]

"I believe that Kobe Bryant is still the best player in the game, his experience and his overall talent. It's not taking away from LeBron, it's not taking away from Carmelo, it's not taking away from myself," Wade told ESPN Radio Chicago. "Kobe has been in the game longer than the rest of us, he's older than us, he's smart with the game. He's the better player."

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59881/20090617/wade_kobe_is_the_best_but_mj_is_better/#ixzz0zGU3pbUV

Dwayne Wade: Diplomat.

[indeedproceed]

wade is just kissing butt there...really he thinks he's the best player in the game. kobe thinks he's the best. shaq thinks he's the 'most dominant'...anything else from guys like that (kg, pierce, former and current superstars) is just lip service. you don't get to be that good by thinking you're second best.

I bet pippen thought he was better.