Posey on the move

[Jon]

What is the timeline on a Posey buyout - day, week...?

Good question.  I'm wondering how much of this is Mannix hearing things from the Pacers and how much of this is Mannix speculating and/or reading Celtics Blog and simply posting what we're hoping. 

[soap07]

If it happens, great. If not, meh. Low risk-high reward....my biggest concern with Posey is his conditioning.

[Roy Hobbs]

What is the timeline on a Posey buyout - day, week...?

Good question.  I'm wondering how much of this is Mannix hearing things from the Pacers and how much of this is Mannix speculating and/or reading Celtics Blog and simply posting what we're hoping. 

Yeah...  In the past, the Pacers have been pretty deliberate regarding buyouts (i.e., Tinsley, Ford, etc. were all talked about for about a year before they happened, IIRC.)

[Jon]

What is the timeline on a Posey buyout - day, week...?

Good question.  I'm wondering how much of this is Mannix hearing things from the Pacers and how much of this is Mannix speculating and/or reading Celtics Blog and simply posting what we're hoping. 

Yeah...  In the past, the Pacers have been pretty deliberate regarding buyouts (i.e., Tinsley, Ford, etc. were all talked about for about a year before they happened, IIRC.)

I also wonder about the motivation on either side.  I can't see Posey taking much less than what a minimum salary would make up for (so like 10 million instead of the 12 or so he's owed over the next two years).  He already has two rings, so it's not like he's dying to walk away from money to get a ring. 

And you have wonder if the Pacers are really willing to pay 10 of the 12 million owed to Posey for him to go away.  If I were a Pacer fan, I think I'd rather just keep him. 

[DinTN]

From the Celticsblog.com home page:

Update: James Posey's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells SI.com that Posey will not seek a buyout from the Pacers.

How reliable is this, and could this be agent posturing?

[Jon]

From the Celticsblog.com home page:

Update: James Posey's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells SI.com that Posey will not seek a buyout from the Pacers.

How reliable is this, and could this be agent posturing?

Could be.  But also, as I said above, I don't think Posey has a huge desire to be bought out.  This is likely his last big contract and he already has two rings.  He's not going to be willing to give up much. 

[Roy Hobbs]

From the Celticsblog.com home page:

Update: James Posey's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells SI.com that Posey will not seek a buyout from the Pacers.

How reliable is this, and could this be agent posturing?

Could be.  But also, as I said above, I don't think Posey has a huge desire to be bought out.  This is likely his last big contract and he already has two rings.  He's not going to be willing to give up much.  

I tend to agree.  If Posey valued winning over millions of dollars, he would have re-signed with the Celts.  Instead, he decided for an extra year of security; why sacrifice that now?

[Mike-Dub]

From the Celticsblog.com home page:

Update: James Posey's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells SI.com that Posey will not seek a buyout from the Pacers.

How reliable is this, and could this be agent posturing?

Could be.  But also, as I said above, I don't think Posey has a huge desire to be bought out.  This is likely his last big contract and he already has two rings.  He's not going to be willing to give up much.  

I tend to agree.  If Posey valued winning over millions of dollars, he would have re-signed with the Celts.  Instead, he decided for an extra year of security; why sacrifice that now?

Yeah but he still thought he was going to contender then and didn't expect to be on a rebuilding team like he is now and ended up being on in NO.

[DinTN]

From the Celticsblog.com home page:

Update: James Posey's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells SI.com that Posey will not seek a buyout from the Pacers.

How reliable is this, and could this be agent posturing?

Could be.  But also, as I said above, I don't think Posey has a huge desire to be bought out.  This is likely his last big contract and he already has two rings.  He's not going to be willing to give up much.  

I tend to agree.  If Posey valued winning over millions of dollars, he would have re-signed with the Celts.  Instead, he decided for an extra year of security; why sacrifice that now?

Yeah but he still thought he was going to contender then and didn't expect to be on a rebuilding team like he is now and ended up being on in NO.

Before IND made the trade, wouldn't they have basically "pre-determined" the play Posey vs. buyout? In other words, before we make the trade, we get Posey, and he accepts $XXXX for buyout?

[Mike-Dub]

From the Celticsblog.com home page:

Update: James Posey's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells SI.com that Posey will not seek a buyout from the Pacers.

How reliable is this, and could this be agent posturing?

Could be.  But also, as I said above, I don't think Posey has a huge desire to be bought out.  This is likely his last big contract and he already has two rings.  He's not going to be willing to give up much.  

I tend to agree.  If Posey valued winning over millions of dollars, he would have re-signed with the Celts.  Instead, he decided for an extra year of security; why sacrifice that now?

Yeah but he still thought he was going to contender then and didn't expect to be on a rebuilding team like he is now and ended up being on in NO.

Before IND made the trade, wouldn't they have basically "pre-determined" the play Posey vs. buyout? In other words, before we make the trade, we get Posey, and he accepts $XXXX for buyout?

I don't know if that is allowed, but it happens, and I think they would do this.

[Jon]

From the Celticsblog.com home page:

Update: James Posey's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells SI.com that Posey will not seek a buyout from the Pacers.

How reliable is this, and could this be agent posturing?

Could be.  But also, as I said above, I don't think Posey has a huge desire to be bought out.  This is likely his last big contract and he already has two rings.  He's not going to be willing to give up much.  

I tend to agree.  If Posey valued winning over millions of dollars, he would have re-signed with the Celts.  Instead, he decided for an extra year of security; why sacrifice that now?

Yeah but he still thought he was going to contender then and didn't expect to be on a rebuilding team like he is now and ended up being on in NO.

Before IND made the trade, wouldn't they have basically "pre-determined" the play Posey vs. buyout? In other words, before we make the trade, we get Posey, and he accepts $XXXX for buyout?

I don't know if that is allowed, but it happens, and I think they would do this.

Don't know about legality, but certainly wink/winks happen.

Still, given Collison's role in this, Indy may have just wanted to get him badly enough that they just made the deal figuring that they had to pay Posey a bunch either way. 

[Chris]

I really don't think there is much of a chance Posey gets bought out.  He has two years left on his contract, he can help Indy, and if they buy him out, they may actually end up paying him more money than if he just let him play out his contract.

That is because they would likely have to pay a large portion of next years contract in addition to all of this years to buy him out.  If there is a lockout next year, he wouldn't see any of next years salary, however, if he is bought out, I believe he would get the balance of the buyout, whether there is a lockout or not. 

[Mike-Dub]

I really don't think there is much of a chance Posey gets bought out.  He has two years left on his contract, he can help Indy, and if they buy him out, they may actually end up paying him more money than if he just let him play out his contract.

That is because they would likely have to pay a large portion of next years contract in addition to all of this years to buy him out.  If there is a lockout next year, he wouldn't see any of next years salary, however, if he is bought out, I believe he would get the balance of the buyout, whether there is a lockout or not. 

Yeah I feel the same way.  I highly doubt he gets bought out even though I would not mind at all having him return for the vet min.  At the price he's at right now  no way in h e double hockey sticks I'd want him back.

[guava_wrench]

From the Celticsblog.com home page:

Update: James Posey's agent, Mark Bartelstein, tells SI.com that Posey will not seek a buyout from the Pacers.

How reliable is this, and could this be agent posturing?

Could be.  But also, as I said above, I don't think Posey has a huge desire to be bought out.  This is likely his last big contract and he already has two rings.  He's not going to be willing to give up much.  

I tend to agree.  If Posey valued winning over millions of dollars, he would have re-signed with the Celts.  Instead, he decided for an extra year of security; why sacrifice that now?

Yeah but he still thought he was going to contender then and didn't expect to be on a rebuilding team like he is now and ended up being on in NO.

Before IND made the trade, wouldn't they have basically "pre-determined" the play Posey vs. buyout? In other words, before we make the trade, we get Posey, and he accepts $XXXX for buyout?

They wouldn't do this, but I imagine they could give Posey permission to have his agent legally ask around.

[the_Bird]

sounds good...love it

but not too sure about the rush and baby comparison?

lets forget posey for a moment, would you guys trade for rush with baby?

Had to do a little hw on Rush since we don't see many Pacers games in Bangor, Maine  A 6'6" guard is never a bad thing, but what about his defense?  Can he play the 3?

When Perk comes back, we have 5 legit PF-C guys.  I would trade Baby for a need in a heartbeat.

We only have 2 legit NBA PFs -- Garnett and Baby. O'Neal is strictly a C. The other O'Neal is strictly a C. Perk is strictly a C. Harangody has never played in the NBA.

Baby IS a need. He's a key rotation player who plays up in big games.

I am not for trading BBD, but Jermaine O'Neal can absolutely play PF... he has done it for a number of years. He, like Duncan, is just big enough to play C for a team and will if he is asked to. Why would he not be able to play PF?


And forget Posey.  He is not going to be bought out and he has a terrible contract.  He is a shell of his former self.  I hope he enjoyed his pay day, but his years in Green are past.

When has JO ever played PF? For what team, and against which player? The guy is a true C. That's the position he plays.

He played PF for Indiana, Jeff Foster was really the teams C.  He has always been a PF/C, meaning PF first.  He made All-Star teams and All-NBA teams under the Forward label.


He is just big enough to play C.  His true position is PF.  He absolutely is not a "true C", that's for sure.

I completely disagree with you. His true position is not PF. I've not a single recollection of him defneding / being defended by a PF.

Regardless, he's certainly not capable of playing PF in the present day NBA for any meaningful amount of time. He's not a good solution for a departed Glen Davis.

Not sure if you guys have already settled this or not...

Look at the old stats on 82 games.  

'06 - '07 http://www.82games.com/0607/06IND17C.HTM
'05 - '06 http://www.82games.com/0506/05IND13C.HTM
'04 - '05 http://www.82games.com/04IND15C.HTM
'03 - '04 http://www.82games.com/03IND13C.HTM
'02 - '03 http://www.82games.com/02IND13C.HTM

Split his time between PF and C pretty evenly - and in the earlier years, tended to play a bit more at the 4.  In Miami, he's strictly been playing the 5, but Miami's also not had many other (non-decomposing) centers on the roster (as well as Haslem and Beasley getting most of the minutes at the 4).

Jermaine O'Neil absolutely has played a LOT of power forward in his career, unless you distrust the stats at 82games there really isn't much to debate.