Press Conference Schedule is Up! 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board

[nickagneta]

The first talent tier was five guys this year, not 12-14 guys like in years past

LeBron, Durant, Wade, Howard, Kobe.

After that there were probably about 15-18 guys that were in the next tier level

You think Tim Duncan and Chris Paul are on the same tier as Brook Lopez, Rajon Rondo, and Danny Granger? 

I couldn't disagree more.  They're all good players, but the first two are much better.  (Presumably, that's why you tried to move up to #6, rather than, say, #18.)

Uh uh uh. Don't put names coming out of my mouth that I didn't say. I said there were 15-18 guys. I didn't sat it was the guys that were the next 15-18 guys picked. People made mistakes thereafter. That doesn't mean they would have belonged on my list where they got drafted

[nickagneta]

I also I first tried to move up to 12 as Rondo can attest to. I only tried to move to 6 because CFF last minute was saying he wanted to trade down. I made him a last minute offer, he countered quickly, I accepted quickly and told him to pick Duncan because there wasn't enough time to finish the trade and get it approved before the deadline

[Fafnir]

Is it too late to enter - Seattle desperately needs to be represented here. I would like to call my team The Sonics Memorial.

The 76ers are available.

[Fafnir]

I would like to highlight one very important rule change going forward:

If you miss a pick in the 3rd through 13th rounds you will be passed over and others may pick ahead of you. If at the end of the round you still haven't made your selection the Commish will again select the best player available at his discretion and a new GM will be found for your team. You may petition to resume your role as GM of your team.

So there won't be any commish picks in the middle of rounds anymore, (yay for me!)

We have two interested parties int he 76ers so hopefully we're full for GMs right now. Just waiting for either to get back to me.

[nickagneta]

I have GreenBean's team being in Seattle. Did he move it back to OKC?

[Fafnir]

In the lottery he was Seattle, on the draft board he's the OKC Thunder. *shrug*

I've updated the board with all the trades from yesterday, everything should be up to date.

[Roy H.]

The first talent tier was five guys this year, not 12-14 guys like in years past

LeBron, Durant, Wade, Howard, Kobe.

After that there were probably about 15-18 guys that were in the next tier level

You think Tim Duncan and Chris Paul are on the same tier as Brook Lopez, Rajon Rondo, and Danny Granger? 

I couldn't disagree more.  They're all good players, but the first two are much better.  (Presumably, that's why you tried to move up to #6, rather than, say, #18.)

Uh uh uh. Don't put names coming out of my mouth that I didn't say. I said there were 15-18 guys. I didn't sat it was the guys that were the next 15-18 guys picked. People made mistakes thereafter. That doesn't mean they would have belonged on my list where they got drafted

I'd be curious to know your top-23, if you had five elite guys, and then essentially 15-18 guys with roughly the same value (especially if I'm reading your comment right that Lopez, Rondo, and Granger weren't necessarily in that top 23).

I'll accept that you're not in love with CP3 or Deron, since you're not a big fan of point guards.  However, surely you'd have Duncan and Carmelo rated much, much more highly than guys getting picked in the 15 - 20 range, correct?

[Greenbean]

In the lottery he was Seattle, on the draft board he's the OKC Thunder. *shrug*

I've updated the board with all the trades from yesterday, everything should be up to date.

The Thunder Grizzlies reside in OKC now. Seattle was once again abandoned.

[nickagneta]

The first talent tier was five guys this year, not 12-14 guys like in years past

LeBron, Durant, Wade, Howard, Kobe.

After that there were probably about 15-18 guys that were in the next tier level

You think Tim Duncan and Chris Paul are on the same tier as Brook Lopez, Rajon Rondo, and Danny Granger? 

I couldn't disagree more.  They're all good players, but the first two are much better.  (Presumably, that's why you tried to move up to #6, rather than, say, #18.)

Uh uh uh. Don't put names coming out of my mouth that I didn't say. I said there were 15-18 guys. I didn't sat it was the guys that were the next 15-18 guys picked. People made mistakes thereafter. That doesn't mean they would have belonged on my list where they got drafted

I'd be curious to know your top-23, if you had five elite guys, and then essentially 15-18 guys with roughly the same value (especially if I'm reading your comment right that Lopez, Rondo, and Granger weren't necessarily in that top 23).

I'll accept that you're not in love with CP3 or Deron, since you're not a big fan of point guards.  However, surely you'd have Duncan and Carmelo rated much, much more highly than guys getting picked in the 15 - 20 range, correct?

Higher, yes. But only within the same talent tier bracket which I think takes a definitive dip thereafter.

Players I had in that area:

Duncan
Williams
Nowitzki
Bosh
Paul
Anthony
P. Gasol
Roy
Johnson
Stoudemire
Pierce
Bynum
Rondo
Boozer
Smith

That was my next group of 15 talent tier. I think each is a definite step below the first five. But for different reasons I think each can be a number 1 guy on a team. Do I believe that every guy in that group is of equal talent? Hell no, just the same way I don't feel LeBron and Kobe are on equal talent. But are they all within a relative talent tier. Yes, I believe so and I believe for that reason that there isn't a whole lot of talent difference between pick number 6 and pick 20.

I've had a very civil discussion with Fafnir about this. You and he see things differently than a large group of the GMs do. Ask those guys with picks in the top 15 in the first round how hard it was to deal picks. It's been a different game this year to start off with than past years. My guess is if the same core group of owners are around next year, trading those picks will become even more difficult.

[Greenbean]

So glad to be back from vacation so I can give my full attention to work. By work of course I mean the 2010 CB Draft.

Unfortunately I have a 9AM meeting. Can I pick early again?

[Greenbean]

Well I am just going to do it.

The OKC Thunder Grizz select Darren Collison.

[Redz]

Well I am just going to do it.

The OKC Thunder Grizz select Darren Collison.

1 down 5 to go for CrotoPickle non-spoiling picks

[Rondo2287]

Nice Pick GB.  Good young talent.

[StartOrien]

Well I am just going to do it.

The OKC Thunder Grizz select Darren Collison.

I think this shouldn't count because its before Greenbeans turn to pick. I demand the commissioner strike wrath.

And my strong stance has NOTHING to do with me wanting Darren Collison for my own team. 

[indeedproceed]

No one has faith in KG anymore?

KG is a guy who can get a team over the hump, but in my mind, he's not a guy you'd want to build a team around anymore.

I do have him firmly in the top 20 picks, though.  I know a lot of GMs said they'd wait to the 2nd round to take him, but I tend to disagree.

I still consider KG a superstar.  He's a better defender than anyone on your list with the exception of Howard, and that counts for a lot when building a team.  Especially when he's the best at making others better at defense.

KG is no longer a better individual defender than LeBron or Kobe at their respective positions. Laterally he doesn't have the range he did 3 years ago. Wade has never been an elite defender, and Durant hasn't figured it out yet.