Press Conference Schedule is Up! 2010 Celticsblog Draft: Draft Board

[Lucky17]

Horford is pretty solid.  And with that pick, my 2008 team places four players in the first round (Amare, Horford, Iguodala, Gay).

Any chance that T.J. Ford goes #30?

I'm sorry but i just don't get the Al Horford infatuation around here -- and by guys like L17 and WW & roy who's opinions i generally trust.

Al's a solid player, fierce guy, went to U of Florida like me, but i can think of 5-7 guys that are all about even with him. Can someone please explain it....

And god, don't get me started on that TJ Ford pick Roy.... At least it let Granger drop to me at 2.26 or so :-

Players, perhaps. But certainly not 5-7 centers, GC?

[Gainesville Celtic]

Horford is pretty solid.  And with that pick, my 2008 team places four players in the first round (Amare, Horford, Iguodala, Gay).

Any chance that T.J. Ford goes #30?

I'm sorry but i just don't get the Al Horford infatuation around here -- and by guys like L17 and WW & roy who's opinions i generally trust.

Al's a solid player, fierce guy, went to U of Florida like me, but i can think of 5-7 guys that are all about even with him. Can someone please explain it....

And god, don't get me started on that TJ Ford pick Roy.... At least it let Granger drop to me at 2.26 or so :-

Players, perhaps. But certainly not 5-7 centers, GC?

5-7 bigs.... Horford is an undersized Center IMO, who does a fine job, but even ATL is talking of shifting him back to PF (which IMO is his natural position).

(and i just want to reiterate that my comments were really based on trying to understand.... not tear down WW's pick. WW is one of the best GM's in our League (chanelling my inner-Doc-speak here))

[The Walker Wiggle]

Horford is pretty solid.

Thanks. I wasn't confident he was going to be available at 2.9. (And looks like he would've gone to KC at 2.8 at the very least...)

And, yes, that 2008 line-up, well sans Ford, looking very good in retrospect. In fact, there were only two other players I was considering at 1.29 and one was Iguodala. (TP Stoyko.) Though I'm personally still not a Rudy Gay fan.

P.S. I appreciate all the trade offers. I would add - in the hope that it's useful information for all, going ahead - that with only 10 minutes available I wasn't even able to respond to those GMs who didn't make an offer, but instead simply indicated interest in the pick.

[RebusRankin]

Horford wouldn't have dropped below 2.13.

[JSD]

Horford is pretty solid.  And with that pick, my 2008 team places four players in the first round (Amare, Horford, Iguodala, Gay).

Any chance that T.J. Ford goes #30?

Definitely deserving of the Team of Future honor.

[JSD]

Horford wouldn't have dropped below 2.13.

Yeah, I thought Horford was great value there. One of the best big men in the game already, had a very productive season last season and has some good playoff experience to boot.

[action781]

Horford is pretty solid.  And with that pick, my 2008 team places four players in the first round (Amare, Horford, Iguodala, Gay).

Any chance that T.J. Ford goes #30?

I'm sorry but i just don't get the Al Horford infatuation around here -- and by guys like L17 and WW & roy who's opinions i generally trust.

Al's a solid player, fierce guy, went to U of Florida like me, but i can think of 5-7 guys that are all about even with him. Can someone please explain it....

And god, don't get me started on that TJ Ford pick Roy.... At least it let Granger drop to me at 2.26 or so :-

Players, perhaps. But certainly not 5-7 centers, GC?

5-7 bigs.... Horford is an undersized Center IMO, who does a fine job, but even ATL is talking of shifting him back to PF (which IMO is his natural position).

(and i just want to reiterate that my comments were really based on trying to understand.... not tear down WW's pick. WW is one of the best GM's in our League (chanelling my inner-Doc-speak here))

I can't see Horford playing Center for a championship team.  I think he would be a great PF though.

[Redz]

edgar/redz miss their pick?

Yes they have, the commish picks.

Paul Pierce

Tough choice between a few options, but Captain is BPA in my mind.

I was off having my dog's eye looked at.  What was Crotor man's excuse?

We can live with the Captain at 24.  He was on our list (we do have a list somewhere, I swear it).

Doggy goes under the knife Thursday,  Much less expensive than we were expecting.  Poor thing is going to have to wear one of those humiliating cones. 

Thanks for making the pick.

[Gainesville Celtic]

edgar/redz miss their pick?

Yes they have, the commish picks.

Paul Pierce

Tough choice between a few options, but Captain is BPA in my mind.

I was off having my dog's eye looked at.  What was Crotor man's excuse?

We can live with the Captain at 24.  He was on our list (we do have a list somewhere, I swear it).

Doggy goes under the knife Thursday,  Much less expensive than we were expecting.  Poor thing is going to have to wear one of those humiliating cones. 

Thanks for making the pick.

Redz.... in solidarity with your pup, the GM of the Denver Nuggzets will also wear a cone during the 3rd round of the draft.

Get well poochie. 

[Redz]

edgar/redz miss their pick?

Yes they have, the commish picks.

Paul Pierce

Tough choice between a few options, but Captain is BPA in my mind.

I was off having my dog's eye looked at.  What was Crotor man's excuse?

We can live with the Captain at 24.  He was on our list (we do have a list somewhere, I swear it).

Doggy goes under the knife Thursday,  Much less expensive than we were expecting.  Poor thing is going to have to wear one of those humiliating cones. 

Thanks for making the pick.

Redz.... in solidarity with your pup, the GM of the Denver Nuggzets will also wear a cone during the 3rd round of the draft.

Get well poochie. 

Only if you promise to have that shameful look on your face (like that's an option).

[The Walker Wiggle]

5-7 bigs.... Horford is an undersized Center IMO, who does a fine job, but even ATL is talking of shifting him back to PF (which IMO is his natural position).

(and i just want to reiterate that my comments were really based on trying to understand.... not tear down WW's pick. WW is one of the best GM's in our League (channeling my inner-Doc-speak here))

Too late, I'm already flying off the handle.

No, it's all in the spirit of the game, GC. And I love to debate the merits of NBA players Al Horford throgh Zaza Pachulia. I think we all do. But you're a class act for even being concerned.

That said, I can't agree with ANYTHING you've said (and neither do the NBA coaches who vote for the All-Star reserves...) Horford is one of the most efficient scorers in the league - both at the rim and with his face up jumper (He shoots the 16'-23' at 48%. The league average is 39.8%.) He's just badly under utilized in Atlanta. He's a top 10 rebounder; and an underrated passer who led all centers in apg.

And Woodson's switching defense called on Horford to do almost everything: guard opposing centers in the post, guard opposing point guards away from the basket on the pick-and-roll, show on dribble penetration and then crash the boards.

I think the only question is whether or not he'll improve his post-game sufficiently to demand the double-team. This will likely determine whether he remains an All-Star or becomes an arguable All-NBA Team player.

[Gainesville Celtic]

5-7 bigs.... Horford is an undersized Center IMO, who does a fine job, but even ATL is talking of shifting him back to PF (which IMO is his natural position).

(and i just want to reiterate that my comments were really based on trying to understand.... not tear down WW's pick. WW is one of the best GM's in our League (channeling my inner-Doc-speak here))

Too late, I'm already flying off the handle.

No, it's all in the spirit of the game, GC. And I love to debate the merits of NBA players Al Horford throgh Zaza Pachulia. I think we all do. But you're a class act for even being concerned.

That said, I can't agree with ANYTHING you've said (and neither do the NBA coaches who vote for the All-Star reserves...) Horford is one of the most efficient scorers in the league - both at the rim and with his face up jumper (He shoots the 16'-23' at 48%. The league average is 39.8%.) He's just badly under utilized in Atlanta. He's a top 10 rebounder; and an underrated passer who led all centers in apg.

And Woodson's switching defense called on Horford to do almost everything: guard opposing centers in the post, guard opposing point guards away from the basket on the pick-and-roll, show on dribble penetration and then crash the boards.

I think the only question is whether or not he'll improve his post-game sufficiently to demand the double-team. This will likely determine whether he remains an All-Star or becomes an arguable All-NBA Team player.

TP! thanks WW --- as well-reasoned an argument as i've heard in Horford's defense. Not totally convinced, but i'm probably not impartial at this point


I must be looking at slightly diff. stats b/c i have him 14th in REB/gm last year and 3rd in Center assts (minor diff). I'll have to watch more closely this yr b/c his offensive game doesn't seem as consistent as the stat you're quoting say.

that said i had him mid-2nd so it's not like it's a huge leap for you to take him 1.29 esp. if you're playing him at Center.

[The Walker Wiggle]

WW is one of the best GM's in our League.

Since it may never be said again. I'd just like to stress the above quote to my colleagues and anyone else following the CB Draft. Please keep it in mind once the voting has begun.

As for my stats - seems you're correct on both fronts. I typically rely on Basketball-Reference. But it seems they require a player have played in at least 70 games to appear on the leader board. Not the first mistake I'll make I'm sure. Still he ranks 7th in total rebounds so I'm going to continue to call him a Top 10 rebounder. Truth in advertising and all that.

Is it even true that he had the league's fourth highest offensive rating?!

[Fafnir]

Those GM's who missed picks and haven't spoken with me, must do so or the won't be allowed to participate in the draft going forward.

Right now that is:
celticinorlando
dwlefty13

Both of you need to PM ASAP if you want to continue with the game.

[Edgar]

edgar/redz miss their pick?

Yes they have, the commish picks.

Paul Pierce

Tough choice between a few options, but Captain is BPA in my mind.

I was off having my dog's eye looked at.  What was Crotor man's excuse?

We can live with the Captain at 24.  He was on our list (we do have a list somewhere, I swear it).

Doggy goes under the knife Thursday,  Much less expensive than we were expecting.  Poor thing is going to have to wear one of those humiliating cones. 

Thanks for making the pick.

Redz.... in solidarity with your pup, the GM of the Denver Nuggzets will also wear a cone during the 3rd round of the draft.

Get well poochie. 

Only if you promise to have that shameful look on your face (like that's an option).

ty comish hes exactly what we wanted
Well Amare was a close second.
But I rather have a champion.