perkins,bbd

[heitingas]

who stays who goes ?

I would have to say Perkins will stay for several reasons:

-money, Perkins price will drop after surgery and performance, both players have contract years and bbd will once again produce I assume in the post season and he will have a higher price,Perkins will not be 100% NEXT YEAR, not close.

-2012, the year KG,ray,nate,JO,shaq,erden are off the books, with team options to avery bradley,harangody we only have rondo and pierce and possibly Perkins, Ainge doesn't want to lose his flexibility, Perkins price will be reasonable unlike bbd.

-bench, Ainge signed nate,shaq and jermaine to two year contracts as well as kept ray for possibly two years (incase we win next year) ray opts in and we go for another championship run.

-rasheed trade, in addition to the bench we have rasheeds contract that will land us (hopefully) a two year contract player, I would be more than happy with nocioni as he can cover both forward positions in-case bbd left next year.

-MLE 2011, use it on Battier Two years with second year a player option for 2012/13, agreed he'll opt out.

-BBD S&T, get us something in return or even trade him this deadline for something valuable down the line.

So it looks like a year from now our roster might look like this:

2011/12

rondo/nate/bradley
ray/battier
pierce/nocioni
KG/JO/harangody
Perk/Shaq/erden

[LilRip]

you're getting way too ahead of yourself.



- LilRip

[jr_3421]

Both stay.

[Bankshot]

I don't get the fans on this board.  They want to get rid of our only two young bigs!  And if you want to keep Perk, then you only have one YOUNG HEALTHY BIG.  If you want to keep Baby, then you don't have a young starting center.  They both stay.

[More Banners]

Well, both BBD and Perk expire next summer, and we may or may not have a logjam at the big positions with KG, JO, and possibly Shaq and possibly (if he doesn't retire) Sheed.  If the C's go with the old man 4-big rotation of KG, JO, Sheed, and Shaq, that doesn't leave many minutes for BBD this season unless injuries happen or multiple rest nights are called.

If Shaq does stay for a 2nd year along with KG and JO, that doesn't leave enough minutes for both Perk and BBD, either.  So I'd bet one of them is gone next summer, if not sooner.

[heitingas]

No man I don't want to get rid of them, I want both but i'm assuming Ainge want's cap space the next 2 years,and bbd and perkins will push us to over 40 million, with rays and kgs cap holds we won't be able to sign a max contract player, and it's even worse if we sign either kg or ray they will also eat up more cap space.

Anyhow I think bbd will be offered alot of money next offseason, even last offseason in 2009 it took a while before he signed a 2 year deal, he was rumoured to go to the pistons, next year I expect kings,thunder to go after him hard, those 2 teams are really looking good now and he might get a big contract and possibly starting on the kings or thunder.

I think by the trade deadline davis's value to a playoff bound team might be very valuable,it's better to try and see if he we can re-sign him next summer and getting nothing in a SnT, it's better we trade him perhaps ?

Perkins though should remain as one of the pillars of our franchise.

[Jon]

Both stay.

It'd be nice if it played out that way, but we have to ask ourselves high high we'd be willing to go to retain them.  

Given Perk's injury he might not get the contract he would've, but let's say on prior experience he does.  Will Danny match a 5 year 40-50 million dollar deal?  

Similarly, while I don't think BBD is worth much more, given the fact that Drew Gooden just got a 30-35 million dollar deal, would you match BBD on that knowing that his cap hold could prevent us from going after big time stars in a couple of years?  

Given the age of the rest of our bigs and Perk's health, I wouldn't be looking to trade either.  However, if by January it's apparent Perk will be back and that we need help at the 2/3, I wouldn't be opposed to trading BBD.  He'll never be a starter for a contender, and if we have 4 healthy bigs in a addition to him, we might as well use him to get an elite 2/3.  

[guava_wrench]

What is BBD's value? Has is increased significantly from when he was an RFA? I don't think so.

He was more impressive replacing KG in 2009 than he was last year. Sure, he had a few good games, but how good were his good games? And how many games did he disappear?

If his rebounding further develops and if his M.I.A. midrange game returns, I could see him getting a contract we are not willing to match. I don't think he would be a big loss anyway.

[More Banners]

What is BBD's value? Has is increased significantly from when he was an RFA? I don't think so.

He was more impressive replacing KG in 2009 than he was last year. Sure, he had a few good games, but how good were his good games? And how many games did he disappear?

If his rebounding further develops and if his M.I.A. midrange game returns, I could see him getting a contract we are not willing to match. I don't think he would be a big loss anyway.

While I agree that his value hasn't increased since he was a RFA, he is exactly the type of player that gets screwed by restricted free agency.  He's worth, perhaps, up to the MLE, so there is a high risk that any team that made an offer up to the MLE would have their space tied up until the C's eventually decide to match, so no team bothers making an offer.

So when he becomes a unrestricted FA next offseason, I think he will attract MLE offer(s) fairly quickly, and I'm not sure the C's would offer the MLE to both BBD AND Perk. 

I think BBD is probably more likely to be worth the MLE than Perk will by next summer, though, as he'll be desired as a backup MLE-level big by contenders and also as an MLE-level starter for teams that are not quite contenders, but want to land someone with lots of playoff experience to further their hopes.  I don't think, post-surgury and with that shoulder, that Perk will or should have as much value.

[BballTim]

What is BBD's value? Has is increased significantly from when he was an RFA? I don't think so.

He was more impressive replacing KG in 2009 than he was last year. Sure, he had a few good games, but how good were his good games? And how many games did he disappear?

If his rebounding further develops and if his M.I.A. midrange game returns, I could see him getting a contract we are not willing to match. I don't think he would be a big loss anyway.

   I don't think his midrange game was ever great, but he lost it due to lack of use. When we signed Sheed BBD had to play more on the inside.

[jr_3421]

Both stay.

It'd be nice if it played out that way, but we have to ask ourselves high high we'd be willing to go to retain them.  

Given Perk's injury he might not get the contract he would've, but let's say on prior experience he does.  Will Danny match a 5 year 40-50 million dollar deal?  

Similarly, while I don't think BBD is worth much more, given the fact that Drew Gooden just got a 30-35 million dollar deal, would you match BBD on that knowing that his cap hold could prevent us from going after big time stars in a couple of years?  

Given the age of the rest of our bigs and Perk's health, I wouldn't be looking to trade either.  However, if by January it's apparent Perk will be back and that we need help at the 2/3, I wouldn't be opposed to trading BBD.  He'll never be a starter for a contender, and if we have 4 healthy bigs in a addition to him, we might as well use him to get an elite 2/3.  

I think that if teams saw BBD as a big contract player, he would have gotten paid last year. I think we will get both for relatively cheap.

[wdleehi]

Neither are going to bring alot back right now. 

Perk is hurt and will only play out a little of this season.


Davis doesn't earn alot and would need to be packaged with a player like Wallace most likely.



And, this is a big one, there is no way to know what the financial options will be after the new CBA is worked out.  It could be that guys like Perk and Davis fall into the level of players getting their salary squeezed. 


With all of that, I would not be against putting Davis into a trade package with Wallace if it brought back a 6th man level swingman and then resign Scali to be an extra big man.