Per Sherrod Twitter...Sheed having second thoughts about retiring?

[MBz]

There just aren't enough minutes for him.  KG, Shaq, Jermaine O'Neal and Big Baby are our top 4 bigs.  If it's going to be Sheed coming back to sit down as an inactive player and if one of those four go down then he can step in play, I would be for it.  If not, I'd rather give Harangody a shot at being the 5th big on this team.

[nickagneta]

I agree with Nick- we simply don't need Rasheed anymore.  There aren't enough minutes to go around.  We are just going to have too many centers who need minutes.  Plus, the start of the season when Perk is out is when we could use him, and thats the time when he is going to be out of shape and hurting the team.
I hope he is traded for something useful and then retires.

I disagree. Perkins may very well not contribute at all this year, and Shaq, Jermaine, and KG all have some serious injury history, it is highly unlikely that we get through the season and playoffs without one or two of them missing some serious time. Also, as other people have stated, limiting their minutes helps all of them. Having Sheed back would be much, much more useful than a wing who will play 8-10 minutes a game. We lost the finals due to lack of size, not lack of wings, and our wings right now are already as good or better than what we had last year. Big men win in the playoffs, period.

We lost due to a lack of team rebounding. And part of that is that we lost because our wings have become older and no longer rebound with anywhere near the efficiency that they used to.

Pierce was always a 6-7 rebounds per game player with a rebound percentage around 10%. Last year he was down to 4.3 RPG and a rebound percentage under 8%. Ray Allen in his time in Boston has been a 3.6-3.7 RPG and 6% rebound percentage player. Last year his numbers dipped also to 3.2RPG and 5.5% rebound percentage.

That's a 20% dip in Pierce's overall rebounding numbers and 10% dip for Ray's numbers. That might not seem like a lot but it adds up to the overall inefficiency that the Boston Celtics had in rebounding. The C's rebounding problems were not concentrated specifically with the bigs. If the wings were able to crash the boards better and help out in the defensive rebounding, the Finals could have gone differently.

Besides, you are advocating bringing back a 6'11" man that for most of last year had a rebounding percentage under 10. It was only in the last 6 weeks of the season that he brought that figure up to around 11% for the year.

How bad is that number? He was tied for 114th in the league in rebounding percentage and amongst centers only Andrea Bargnani, Ryan Hollins, Channing Frye, Fabricio Oberto, Josh Powell and Joel Anthony had worse numbers in the league. That number is so bad that Tony Allen was only one percentage point behind Rasheed in rebounding rate. One might argue that it was more important to bring back Tony Allen next year than Rasheed Wallace because he would bring more to the team in regards to rebounding off the bench considering Tony is still young and Rasheed is probably going to be an even worse rebounder than he was last year.

[BballTim]

Trade Perk once his rehab appears to be solid.

Sorry, but I didn't like his "no comment" when Shaq was signed.  Any player should be happy to have help. and yet I think Perk seems threatened by it.  I don't like him at all and I hope Danny sends this scowl-faced-technical foul-waiting-to-happen idiot somewhere else.

I think Perk as well as a draft pick could garner a nice return and I'm all for running with our bigs "by committee" because we'll have them signed on for the next couple years.

Honestly, I see Perk as the odd-man out, and that doesn't bother me in the least...

  If Perk starts looking healthy, trading him because of his scowl, techs or "no comment" to the Shaq signing is cutting off your nose to spite your face. In the short term, you're less likely to get by Miami or Orlando without his defense. In the long term, you're going to have to find a new center and a new pf instead of just a new pf, plus backups.

[Roy Hobbs]

We lost the finals due to lack of size, not lack of wings, and our wings right now are already as good or better than what we had last year. Big men win in the playoffs, period.

Well, our wings could have been a little better, too, and our most consistent wing in last year's playoffs -- Tony Allen -- is gone.  Right now, we're relying upon an oft-injured Marquis Daniels to back up Paul Pierce.  If he goes down, it's oft-injured (and 6'5") Von Wafer, or inexperienced combo guard Avery Bradley.

Right now, having a primary backup to Paul Pierce who we can rely upon is much, much more important than having a strong 5th or 6th big in the rotation.  The next player we add should be our #3 wing, not our #5 or #6 big.

[Roy Hobbs]

Also, I'd challenge anybody to come up with a workable big man rotation that keeps Perk, KG, Shaq, J.O., BBD, and Rasheed happy.  When doing so, keep in mind what Doc said about playing guys too few minutes:

While Rivers said it sounds good in theory to limit his starters to less than 30 minutes a night to prevent injury and excess fatigue before the postseason, he believes that holding them back would do more harm than good.

    "You have to play your starters for a certain amount of minutes," Rivers said. "People think that if you can play them 28 minutes a night that’s good, but that’s awful. If you look historically, Michael Jordan never played under 37 minutes a night. There is a reason for that — rhythm. You have to keep your rhythm during the season. [Playing fewer minutes] sounds like a great idea, but if you play them 28 minutes to conserve them, then you throw them out of their rhythm."

So, being as conservative as possible, what are we looking at?

C: Perk (20), Shaq (14), Rasheed (14)
PF: KG (24), J.O. (14), BBD (10)

I mean, does a rotation like that do *anybody* any good?  I'd say no.  Rather than keeping players fresh, it throws them out of rhythm. 

[hpantazo]

Also, I'd challenge anybody to come up with a workable big man rotation that keeps Perk, KG, Shaq, J.O., BBD, and Rasheed happy.  When doing so, keep in mind what Doc said about playing guys too few minutes:

While Rivers said it sounds good in theory to limit his starters to less than 30 minutes a night to prevent injury and excess fatigue before the postseason, he believes that holding them back would do more harm than good.

    "You have to play your starters for a certain amount of minutes," Rivers said. "People think that if you can play them 28 minutes a night that’s good, but that’s awful. If you look historically, Michael Jordan never played under 37 minutes a night. There is a reason for that — rhythm. You have to keep your rhythm during the season. [Playing fewer minutes] sounds like a great idea, but if you play them 28 minutes to conserve them, then you throw them out of their rhythm."

So, being as conservative as possible, what are we looking at?

C: Perk (20), Shaq (14), Rasheed (14)
PF: KG (24), J.O. (14), BBD (10)

I mean, does a rotation like that do *anybody* any good?  I'd say no.  Rather than keeping players fresh, it throws them out of rhythm. 

If it comes down to it, I would much rather keep Sheed and trade Davis. Sheed is a 7 footer with long arms who can post up, hit threes to stretch the floor, and guard the post very well. Davis is an undersized PF who gets his shot blocked at a very high rate and has a suspect jump shot, and he will command a big contract after this year. I would not pay to keep him, as he is not a player I would build around, so i would much rather keep longer players on the floor, play Jermaine at PF, and trade Davis for a wing.

[CoachBo]

I agree, Roy.

Someone from the front office needs to make a call and tell Sheed to stay retired.

[hpantazo]

I agree, Roy.

Someone from the front office needs to make a call and tell Sheed to stay retired.

If Sheed decides he wants to play, there is nothing anyone can do about it, and his contract is then virtually untradeable. I think one reason that the vets like Jermaine and Shaq are asking him to return is that the vets have a like minded mentality to sacrifice and win now at all costs, while the younger guys like tony allen and Davis want playing time, shots, and money.

[Roy Hobbs]

Also, I'd challenge anybody to come up with a workable big man rotation that keeps Perk, KG, Shaq, J.O., BBD, and Rasheed happy.  When doing so, keep in mind what Doc said about playing guys too few minutes:

While Rivers said it sounds good in theory to limit his starters to less than 30 minutes a night to prevent injury and excess fatigue before the postseason, he believes that holding them back would do more harm than good.

    "You have to play your starters for a certain amount of minutes," Rivers said. "People think that if you can play them 28 minutes a night that’s good, but that’s awful. If you look historically, Michael Jordan never played under 37 minutes a night. There is a reason for that — rhythm. You have to keep your rhythm during the season. [Playing fewer minutes] sounds like a great idea, but if you play them 28 minutes to conserve them, then you throw them out of their rhythm."

So, being as conservative as possible, what are we looking at?

C: Perk (20), Shaq (14), Rasheed (14)
PF: KG (24), J.O. (14), BBD (10)

I mean, does a rotation like that do *anybody* any good?  I'd say no.  Rather than keeping players fresh, it throws them out of rhythm. 

If it comes down to it, I would much rather keep Sheed and trade Davis. Sheed is a 7 footer with long arms who can post up, hit threes to stretch the floor, and guard the post very well. Davis is an undersized PF who gets his shot blocked at a very high rate and has a suspect jump shot, and he will command a big contract after this year. I would not pay to keep him, as he is not a player I would build around, so i would much rather keep longer players on the floor, play Jermaine at PF, and trade Davis for a wing.

While I agree that Rasheed is more skilled, BBD gives 100% on every possession, while Rasheed probably watched as many rebounds roll out of bounds as he collected last year.  I think BBD plays an important role with his energy and hustle; teammates feed off of that.

Assuming Perk comes back, we have good size with Perk, J.O., KG, and Shaq.  We can afford having a shorter guy who thrives on the offensive boards.

However, I do think that if Rasheed comes back, we're almost going to have to trade BBD, for the sake of roster balance and because he's got better trade value than Rasheed.

[CoachBo]

I agree, Roy.

Someone from the front office needs to make a call and tell Sheed to stay retired.

If Sheed decides he wants to play, there is nothing anyone can do about it, and his contract is then virtually untradeable. I think one reason that the vets like Jermaine and Shaq are asking him to return is that the vets have a like minded mentality to sacrifice and win now at all costs, while the younger guys like tony allen and Davis want playing time, shots, and money.

He can be released, and he might have to be. There simply are not enough minutes to go around inside with him on the roster, without hurting the entire team.

Bottom line: He's a third arm as this roster is configured. Danny needs to move that conract before the season, even if it's for a trade exception.

[hpantazo]

Also, I'd challenge anybody to come up with a workable big man rotation that keeps Perk, KG, Shaq, J.O., BBD, and Rasheed happy.  When doing so, keep in mind what Doc said about playing guys too few minutes:

While Rivers said it sounds good in theory to limit his starters to less than 30 minutes a night to prevent injury and excess fatigue before the postseason, he believes that holding them back would do more harm than good.

    "You have to play your starters for a certain amount of minutes," Rivers said. "People think that if you can play them 28 minutes a night that’s good, but that’s awful. If you look historically, Michael Jordan never played under 37 minutes a night. There is a reason for that — rhythm. You have to keep your rhythm during the season. [Playing fewer minutes] sounds like a great idea, but if you play them 28 minutes to conserve them, then you throw them out of their rhythm."

So, being as conservative as possible, what are we looking at?

C: Perk (20), Shaq (14), Rasheed (14)
PF: KG (24), J.O. (14), BBD (10)

I mean, does a rotation like that do *anybody* any good?  I'd say no.  Rather than keeping players fresh, it throws them out of rhythm. 

If it comes down to it, I would much rather keep Sheed and trade Davis. Sheed is a 7 footer with long arms who can post up, hit threes to stretch the floor, and guard the post very well. Davis is an undersized PF who gets his shot blocked at a very high rate and has a suspect jump shot, and he will command a big contract after this year. I would not pay to keep him, as he is not a player I would build around, so i would much rather keep longer players on the floor, play Jermaine at PF, and trade Davis for a wing.

While I agree that Rasheed is more skilled, BBD gives 100% on every possession, while Rasheed probably watched as many rebounds roll out of bounds as he collected last year.  I think BBD plays an important role with his energy and hustle; teammates feed off of that.

Assuming Perk comes back, we have good size with Perk, J.O., KG, and Shaq.  We can afford having a shorter guy who thrives on the offensive boards.

However, I do think that if Rasheed comes back, we're almost going to have to trade BBD, for the sake of roster balance and because he's got better trade value than Rasheed.

I agree that Davis always gives 100%, and has been our energy guy, but at the same time I feel his limitations negate much of the positives that his energy brings. We go on scoring droughts while he gets blocked repeatedly and left open for jumpers. I also strongly believe that with Perkins injured and with Shaq and Jermaine on board, and a whole new threat in Miami and Chicago, that the starters will be much more up to the regular season challenge this year, including Sheed.

[hpantazo]

I agree, Roy.

Someone from the front office needs to make a call and tell Sheed to stay retired.

If Sheed decides he wants to play, there is nothing anyone can do about it, and his contract is then virtually untradeable. I think one reason that the vets like Jermaine and Shaq are asking him to return is that the vets have a like minded mentality to sacrifice and win now at all costs, while the younger guys like tony allen and Davis want playing time, shots, and money.

He can be released, and he might have to be. There simply are not enough minutes to go around inside with him on the roster, without hurting the entire team.

Bottom line: He's a third arm as this roster is configured. Danny needs to move that conract before the season, even if it's for a trade exception.

I just don't see a guy with 2 years at roughly 13 million left on his deal being released.

[Birdbrain]

Also, I'd challenge anybody to come up with a workable big man rotation that keeps Perk, KG, Shaq, J.O., BBD, and Rasheed happy.  When doing so, keep in mind what Doc said about playing guys too few minutes:

While Rivers said it sounds good in theory to limit his starters to less than 30 minutes a night to prevent injury and excess fatigue before the postseason, he believes that holding them back would do more harm than good.

    "You have to play your starters for a certain amount of minutes," Rivers said. "People think that if you can play them 28 minutes a night that’s good, but that’s awful. If you look historically, Michael Jordan never played under 37 minutes a night. There is a reason for that — rhythm. You have to keep your rhythm during the season. [Playing fewer minutes] sounds like a great idea, but if you play them 28 minutes to conserve them, then you throw them out of their rhythm."

So, being as conservative as possible, what are we looking at?

C: Perk (20), Shaq (14), Rasheed (14)
PF: KG (24), J.O. (14), BBD (10)

I mean, does a rotation like that do *anybody* any good?  I'd say no.  Rather than keeping players fresh, it throws them out of rhythm. 

If it comes down to it, I would much rather keep Sheed and trade Davis. Sheed is a 7 footer with long arms who can post up, hit threes to stretch the floor, and guard the post very well. Davis is an undersized PF who gets his shot blocked at a very high rate and has a suspect jump shot, and he will command a big contract after this year. I would not pay to keep him, as he is not a player I would build around, so i would much rather keep longer players on the floor, play Jermaine at PF, and trade Davis for a wing.

While I agree that Rasheed is more skilled, BBD gives 100% on every possession, while Rasheed probably watched as many rebounds roll out of bounds as he collected last year.  I think BBD plays an important role with his energy and hustle; teammates feed off of that.

Assuming Perk comes back, we have good size with Perk, J.O., KG, and Shaq.  We can afford having a shorter guy who thrives on the offensive boards.

However, I do think that if Rasheed comes back, we're almost going to have to trade BBD, for the sake of roster balance and because he's got better trade value than Rasheed.

I agree that Davis always gives 100%, and has been our energy guy, but at the same time I feel his limitations negate much of the positives that his energy brings. We go on scoring droughts while he gets blocked repeatedly and left open for jumpers. I also strongly believe that with Perkins injured and with Shaq and Jermaine on board, and a whole new threat in Miami and Chicago, that the starters will be much more up to the regular season challenge this year, including Sheed.

Yeah he gets blocked.  And blaming scoring droughts on BBD seems very misguided....  I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.  Seeing as how most the time he led our bench in scoring.  You might look to non shooters like TA.  In fact in most cases the bench scored as well as the starters. 

They could play the bench for most of the season and still win the Atlantic.  I doubt very seriously they have thought 2 seconds about either team in regards to how hard they will play the regular season especially Chicago who is over hyped for no apparent reason.  At least Miami has 2 great players. But as I mentioned neither is in the Atlantic.

I still don't understand why Perkins is being added to anyones distribution for minutes.  No one knows if he's even going to make it back.  And if he does whether he'll be ready for big minutes.  This discussion appears to be more like those not wanting Sheed back and making up scenarios that aren't present to back up why he needs to retire or be traded for that all important extra wing.

[celticpride07]

Perkins will be out for the whole regular season to fully recover..lets be realistic he just suffered a major knee injury less than 2 months ago.

[Finkelskyhook]

Sheed will probably come on board at mid-season