Sam Smith: Taj Gibson for Rudy Fernandez offered (It's in Portland's hands)

[Mencius]

Baby had some huge games.  He makes the most of his limitations and seems to try his butt off.  He's not good, though.  He's expendable.  He's one of those "characters" who comes through once in a while and fans fall in love with despite the fact he stinks... a Walter McCarty, for example.

He's much better than Walter ever was.  Walter was a gimmick.  People mistook hustle for production.  Baby has had some very productive games when the lights shone brightest.  What he's not yet is consistent.

[MBunge]

He's no BBD that's for sure... meaning he's not fat amirght?  But at the vet min only the really 'bright' would complain.

My problem with BBD isn't that he's "fat".  It's that he isn't good. Not sure I've ever seen anyone get blocked as much as that guy.  Most his shots are wide open layups and he still manages to fumble them.  He's not a good rebounder.  He's not a good defender.  He's got a lot of heart and ego, but that does me no good.

I like that you are sticking to your guns, though and still rockin the Pittsnoogle avatar.

Seriously... be honest... the Celtics could announce they signed Yakhouba Diawara, and half yall would sell yourselves on him being a key addition.

Baby was the only guy who was rebounding against the Lakers.  He did a commendable job against the Magic when Garnett was out.  Despite his severe lack of height, he can creditably guard behemoth centers.  Is he an all-star?  No.  Is he the bum you're making him out to be?  No.

Baby had some huge games.  He makes the most of his limitations and seems to try his butt off.  He's not good, though.  He's expendable.  He's one of those "characters" who comes through once in a while and fans fall in love with despite the fact he stinks... a Walter McCarty, for example.

The Glen Davis who stepped in after KG went down was not an "expendable" player.  Because he's short and not very explosive, Davis has to be in the right role to really thrive.  One of the things that hurt Boston last year is that when Davis was on the court with Sheed, he wasn't able to play that role.

Mike

[MBunge]

Given Marquis' injury history, I'd bet that Danny would still be interested in getting Rudy.  Portland, though, probably wants to get more than a #1 and a couple of non-guaranteed contracts for him and I don't think Danny is willing to offer more than that.

Fernandez can't guard SFs, therefore he's not really useful as Daniels' injury insurance.

Uh, Wafer would guard SFs if Marquis went down.  Rudy would slide in at shooting guard.  The team would be undersized at the wing, but that's already the case.

Mike

[Birdbrain]

He's no BBD that's for sure... meaning he's not fat amirght?  But at the vet min only the really 'bright' would complain.

My problem with BBD isn't that he's "fat".  It's that he isn't good. Not sure I've ever seen anyone get blocked as much as that guy.  Most his shots are wide open layups and he still manages to fumble them.  He's not a good rebounder.  He's not a good defender.  He's got a lot of heart and ego, but that does me no good.

I like that you are sticking to your guns, though and still rockin the Pittsnoogle avatar.

Seriously... be honest... the Celtics could announce they signed Yakhouba Diawara, and half yall would sell yourselves on him being a key addition.

You have a splendid track record for an outstanding eye for talent.  BBD...   You are sticking to your guns no matter how wrong you've been proven (whereas I was proven correct, slight difference), which I respect in odd (very) sort of way.  Along that same vain (you think Haragody sucks) I expect Luke to be a big contributor by his 2nd season but, to get this thread back on track anyone that complains about vet min signing is a contrarian the likes of which Skip Bayless would adore.  As they say too each his own..

[kozlodoev]

Uh, Wafer would guard SFs if Marquis went down.  Rudy would slide in at shooting guard.  The team would be undersized at the wing, but that's already the case.

Right, so in order for us _not_ to be undersized at the wing, maybe Ainge should sink those resources into acquiring a swingman who is 6'6+ and 220+ lbs, instead of acquiring a redundant SG.

[LarBrd33]

He's no BBD that's for sure... meaning he's not fat amirght?  But at the vet min only the really 'bright' would complain.

My problem with BBD isn't that he's "fat".  It's that he isn't good. Not sure I've ever seen anyone get blocked as much as that guy.  Most his shots are wide open layups and he still manages to fumble them.  He's not a good rebounder.  He's not a good defender.  He's got a lot of heart and ego, but that does me no good.

I like that you are sticking to your guns, though and still rockin the Pittsnoogle avatar.

Seriously... be honest... the Celtics could announce they signed Yakhouba Diawara, and half yall would sell yourselves on him being a key addition.

Baby was the only guy who was rebounding against the Lakers.  He did a commendable job against the Magic when Garnett was out.  Despite his severe lack of height, he can creditably guard behemoth centers.  Is he an all-star?  No.  Is he the bum you're making him out to be?  No.

Baby had some huge games.  He makes the most of his limitations and seems to try his butt off.  He's not good, though.  He's expendable.  He's one of those "characters" who comes through once in a while and fans fall in love with despite the fact he stinks... a Walter McCarty, for example.

The Glen Davis who stepped in after KG went down was not an "expendable" player.  Because he's short and not very explosive, Davis has to be in the right role to really thrive.  One of the things that hurt Boston last year is that when Davis was on the court with Sheed, he wasn't able to play that role.

Mike

I'd take Walter McCarty in his prime over Glen Davis any day.  Stick Walter with this squad and he'd flourish.  Glen Davis would have been traded already if any GM in the league thought the same way some Celtic homers do.  He's got no value.  He's a bum.  As is Von Wafer and whoever we took in the 2nd round.

Our starting 5 is money, though.

[Mencius]

I'd take Walter McCarty in his prime over Glen Davis any day.  Stick Walter with this squad and he'd flourish.  Glen Davis would have been traded already if any GM in the league thought the same way some Celtic homers do.  He's got no value.  He's a bum.  As is Von Wafer and whoever we took in the 2nd round.

If by flourish you mean he'd run around with boundless energy accomplishing little, yeah, he'd flourish.  Baby has had impactful games against quality opponents in the playoffs.  He's no all star, but he's no bum.  You're on an island with that view.  Were you not able to see that he was the only guy who could get an offensive rebound against the Lakers, or that he had an entire productive series against the Magic the prior year.  Walter could have done that?  Seriously?  You call people that merely recognize his contributions homers while thinking Walter Freaking McCarty was better than him.  Nice eye for talent.  Not.

[MBunge]

Uh, Wafer would guard SFs if Marquis went down.  Rudy would slide in at shooting guard.  The team would be undersized at the wing, but that's already the case.

Right, so in order for us _not_ to be undersized at the wing, maybe Ainge should sink those resources into acquiring a swingman who is 6'6+ and 220+ lbs, instead of acquiring a redundant SG.

Or maybe he should worry about getting the best possible player he can get for the money.

Mike

[Mr October]

Between Robinson, Bradley, Wafer and Daniels, my interest in Fernandez isn't that high anymore.

I'd rather see the Celtics target a legit 3 and get another big man.

[More Banners]

I'd take Walter McCarty in his prime over Glen Davis any day.  Stick Walter with this squad and he'd flourish.  Glen Davis would have been traded already if any GM in the league thought the same way some Celtic homers do.  He's got no value.  He's a bum.  As is Von Wafer and whoever we took in the 2nd round.

If by flourish you mean he'd run around with boundless energy accomplishing little, yeah, he'd flourish.  Baby has had impactful games against quality opponents in the playoffs.  He's no all star, but he's no bum.  You're on an island with that view.  Were you not able to see that he was the only guy who could get an offensive rebound against the Lakers, or that he had an entire productive series against the Magic the prior year.  Walter could have done that?  Seriously?  You call people that merely recognize his contributions homers while thinking Walter Freaking McCarty was better than him.  Nice eye for talent.  Not.

Hey, be nice.  

Next, I have to agree that Waltah's length advantage over BBD would make him a stronger help defender, and with his vastly superior spot-up 3pt shooting range, floor spacing would be better offensively.  Rebounding advantage to BBD, though I think Waltah in his prime was more fundamentally sound (boxing out, etc.), so that perhaps is arguable.  

Overall, though, the comparison is valid, as BBD is nothing more than a role player in any system, and at $3 million, he's not much of a bargain value, either.  

Regarding to OP, if both Rudy and Taj are available, I'd try like heck to get them both if there were any way possible.  I actually think they'd play very well together.

[MBunge]

Overall, though, the comparison is valid, as BBD is nothing more than a role player in any system, and at $3 million, he's not much of a bargain value, either.  

Averaging over 15 points and 5 rebounds for the 2009 playoffs marks Davis as more than just another role player in any system.

Mike

[nickagneta]

Between Robinson, Bradley, Wafer and Daniels, my interest in Fernandez isn't that high anymore.

I'd rather see the Celtics target a legit 3 and get another big man.

Gotta agree with this. Honestly, I was never crazy over Fernandez unless we could also get Przybilla and he was healthy.

[MBunge]

Between Robinson, Bradley, Wafer and Daniels, my interest in Fernandez isn't that high anymore.

I'd rather see the Celtics target a legit 3 and get another big man.

Gotta agree with this. Honestly, I was never crazy over Fernandez unless we could also get Przybilla and he was healthy.

I wouldn't think Rudy would be on the top of Ainge's wish list, but if he were available at a price Danny was comfortable with, I think he'd have to seriously consider getting him over someone like Keith Bogans or Trenton Hassell.

Mike

[kozlodoev]

Or maybe he should worry about getting the best possible player he can get for the money.

He should worry about the player that's most useful for the team at this point.

[Mencius]

Hey, be nice.  

Next, I have to agree that Waltah's length advantage over BBD would make him a stronger help defender, and with his vastly superior spot-up 3pt shooting range, floor spacing would be better offensively.  Rebounding advantage to BBD, though I think Waltah in his prime was more fundamentally sound (boxing out, etc.), so that perhaps is arguable.  

Overall, though, the comparison is valid, as BBD is nothing more than a role player in any system, and at $3 million, he's not much of a bargain value, either.  

Be nice?  The guy called people who could see value in Baby's contributions homers.  The clear implication was that our views were stupid because our judgement was influenced by our green glasses.  No.  Tit for tat.

If the comparison is valid, was Walter ever anything more than a role player?  Baby stepped in in KGs absence and did a very nice job, taking on some difficult matchups, from guarding Howard to Lewis, and averaged 15 and 5 while doing so.  There's no chance Walter could have produced like that.  I'm not trying to say that Baby is an all star.  He's just not remotely the bum that LarBrd is portraying him as.