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Magic/Bird v.s. LeBron/? Rivalries
« on: July 30, 2010, 02:20:16 PM »

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I was thinking about the Bird/Magic rivalry, and how it is credited with "saving" the N. B. A.  The rivalry (competition) between the Celts and Lakers later expanded to include the Pistons and the Bulls. 

Do you think the N.B.A. will gain popularity because of the loading Miami accomplished by adding Lebron James and Bosh to Wade?  More people will probably go to the Miami games on the road just to see LJ/DW/CB play.  Will they lose even more interest in borderline teams when not playing the super elite? Will teams like the Hornets, Atlanta, even teams like Utah, Phoenix or Indiana be adversely affected?

 Or, do you think the game grows based on rivalries and adversaries (i.e., Celtic/Lakers)?  Vegas has Miami as prohibitive favorites (I do not agree) to win next years championship and many more over the next 5 - 7 years.  Does this decrease the interest in the sport  or is it somehow good for basketball?


Right now teams seem to be spending enormous amounts of money on what might be considered second tier stars, so I guess owners can't feel that Miami has this locked up.
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Re: Magic/Bird v.s. LeBron/? Rivalries
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2010, 02:40:54 PM »

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Yes, I do think that the combination of players that Miami has will help the NBA gain popularity. Do you remember how many casual fans the league had when MJ played and won so many titles? The average fan, or even the occasional fan, needs to feel as if he/she knows something about the game. They want a 'hero' and someone they can identify with. It was the same with Magic and Larry.

Here in Celticland it's popular to bash Lebron. Make no mistake about it, he and Wade will win titles! In a few years there will be a lot of talk about wether Lebron is in the top few players to ever play and yes wether he is better then MJ. Laugh if you want but that is my opinion. Keep in mind that in 5 years it will be almost 20 years ago that Jordan won his last title. People forget very quickly and there will be legitimate comparisons of the two. I already feel as if LBJ does some things better then MJ ever did.

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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2010, 02:57:35 PM »

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 Celtics17, I didn't ask my question very well, but you got it! Thanks and  TP for for answering.   At least I think you did...you feel that individual popularity or stardom trumps team loyalty...as far as regular fans and the popularity of professional basketball.  And that is the distinction I was trying to question.   

I am more of a team type of fan.  I feel team rivalries will always arise, no matter how loaded a team might seem.  There are other factors besides individual skills involved, after all.
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2010, 03:08:40 PM »

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Sorry, pressed send before I was finished.  The other part of my question was will other, more minor, teams be hurt by this.  We can assume that Cleveland will be hurt.  Will other teams be signing up to move to more profitable locations because they may not be able to attract or keep good players?
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2010, 03:19:17 PM »

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I don't. Players do. This little thing their doing will get view for a little while, that I won't deny. But in the long run I feel that if this team becomes dominate like predicted this is bad for the NBA. You can possible lose fans if games become too predictable. No one likes anything easy….well other then Wade/Bosh/LaBron. Bird/Magic and Piston/Bulls worked for three reasons I feel.

1. Both teams were equally good. Even though Mike had the edge sometimes Isaiah and the physical piston could win as well. Larry and Bird always clashed when they met. If this team has no challengers then the game could become lame to viewers. Lakers and Celtics this year were pretty much dead even. Reverse some calls and we could be talking about a repeat and banner 19. All the teams were really good. Now...I really don't know. C's can challenge for 2 years, Bulls and Lakers will be around. Other than that really no one has a great shot unless they stack up during free agency like the Heat.

2 and a pretty important number 2, physicality. Things aren't as physical anymore. That takes the edge off a little. Back then hard fouls were given bad blood we stirred up. Players really disliked each other. Bird didn’t want people that gave him hard fouls one his team. Magic didn’t want some who had better him so many times. They had pride. Celtics Lakers have recently been the only things to look like the old days. Both teams disliked each other. Cavs also hated the Celtics. They faced games 7's gave each other hard fouls. Neither team really likes each other.

3 the last reason is free agency with money being thrown everywhere the really is no loyalty to the drafted team, or even the team a players been with the longest. If someone hands you a better check you walk, especially if that team is good. I get it if you’re a good player on a bad team. But if you made the playoffs last year you should stick with your team, obviously something is working. You should try to stick it out. Form a big three when your over 30 and have given your franchise all you can, not when your 25 and feel like you deserve something for nothing.

With no really rivalry of good players against good players the game stops being as fun. Teams with pieces now will have a hard team keeping them there unless they pull off something like the Heat did now (see Chris Paul). And for teams without any? Well they may be lost in nothingness for the next couple of years (Timberwolves, Clippers). As you can probably tell by now I hate what the Heat did haha. We’ll have to see how things go though.

Re: Magic/Bird v.s. LeBron/? Rivalries
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2010, 03:54:56 PM »

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Thirstyboots, you are attempting to put words into my mouth, and doing a very poor job of it I might add. What you asked  is if Miami's teaming of players will help the NBA. I said yes but I didn't say anything about individual players being more important then team loyalty. AS far as reaching fans though and convincing them to watch pro bball, I do feel that it is a good thing. The very casual fan has no idea who Ray Allen is, or for that matter Rajon Rondo and probably not even a player like Carmello Anthony. They do know the name of Lebron James though even though may not be able to pick him out of a lineup. Your question did not ask wether it was good for the game but rather the NBA. You might want to choose how you word things a little more carefully and for that matter how you paraphrase others words too.

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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2010, 04:08:40 PM »

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I apologize....I am having no better luck with your words than I am with my own today.   I probably should have waited to ask until I had a little more time to phrase my question.   Just too much going on right now, and I was too anxious to post it.
(But at least you got a TP out of it....and I do thank you for clarifying.)
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2010, 04:20:04 PM »

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The Bird/Magic rivalry saved the NBA because two superstars made their teammates better than they really were. The "fair-weather fans" will normally cheer the superstar but the teamwork phase of the game generates hard core fans because they can imagine themselves playing with such players. To watch Bird and Magic perform at such a high level by incorporating their teammates was awesome.
Basketball when played as a team sport is great to watch (and to play). If it is just about a star, you might as well watch tennis.
It also didn't hurt that the teams played a different style of play with the Celtics favoring the in/out game and the Lakers playing "showtime". It was easily to "pick a side".

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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2010, 04:22:46 PM »

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There are no rivalries in today's NBA.

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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2010, 04:27:52 PM »

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There are no rivalries in today's NBA.

Sure there are.

Duncan's Spurs vs Shaq's Lakers was great. Lakers vs Kings was pretty good. Celtics vs Lakers these past few years are great.

Something will probably emerge in an Orlando vs. Miami showdown.

Miami Boston has potential for the next 2 years, as does Miami LA for the next 3-4 years.

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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2010, 04:33:08 PM »

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There are no rivalries in today's NBA.

Sure there are.

Duncan's Spurs vs Shaq's Lakers was great. Lakers vs Kings was pretty good. Celtics vs Lakers these past few years are great.

Something will probably emerge in an Orlando vs. Miami showdown.

Miami Boston has potential for the next 2 years, as does Miami LA for the next 3-4 years.
The Kings and the Lakers was the last solid rivalry ... although the Kings failed to beat LA which limits it in my view.

I never felt any rivalry between the Spurs/Lakers + I think the Lakers/Celtics one is dead.

But I guess that is just me ... I know most here still feel lot of passion / dislike towards the Lakers.

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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2010, 05:31:08 PM »

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As long as there is a Lakers fan and a Celtics fan....the rivalry will live on.   ;)
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2010, 05:36:11 PM »

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There are no rivalries in today's NBA.

Sure there are.

Duncan's Spurs vs Shaq's Lakers was great. Lakers vs Kings was pretty good. Celtics vs Lakers these past few years are great.

Something will probably emerge in an Orlando vs. Miami showdown.

Miami Boston has potential for the next 2 years, as does Miami LA for the next 3-4 years.
The Kings and the Lakers was the last solid rivalry ... although the Kings failed to beat LA which limits it in my view.

I never felt any rivalry between the Spurs/Lakers + I think the Lakers/Celtics one is dead.

But I guess that is just me ... I know most here still feel lot of passion / dislike towards the Lakers.
How is it dead?  They just beat us last month.  We haven't gotten our revenge yet.
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2010, 08:09:08 PM »

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There are no rivalries in today's NBA.

Sure there are.

Duncan's Spurs vs Shaq's Lakers was great. Lakers vs Kings was pretty good. Celtics vs Lakers these past few years are great.

Something will probably emerge in an Orlando vs. Miami showdown.

Miami Boston has potential for the next 2 years, as does Miami LA for the next 3-4 years.
The Kings and the Lakers was the last solid rivalry ... although the Kings failed to beat LA which limits it in my view.

I never felt any rivalry between the Spurs/Lakers + I think the Lakers/Celtics one is dead.

But I guess that is just me ... I know most here still feel lot of passion / dislike towards the Lakers.
How is it dead?  They just beat us last month.  We haven't gotten our revenge yet.

Exactly!
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2010, 08:25:57 PM »

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I don't get why Lebron joining Wade means he has no competition.  Was there a rivalry between them in the first place?

Lebron's new team actually creates a new rivalry against a guy on the other coast who has a pretty good team on his own and will for at least three more years.

As much as I hate to admit it, is there anyone other than Kobe that one could argue is as good as or better than Lebron?