Whose a better point guard: Rondo or Rose?

[scaryjerry]

Rondo.

Actually had to earn his stripes, rose has done what?

[Vermont Green]

It is hard to criticize Rondo because I like a lot about him.  I like his old school toughness and I like his focus and complete mental commitment to the game while he is on the court (the latter is big in my opinion and what many players lack to take them over the top).  Rondo has results also, he gets rebounds, steals, points, etc.

But until he develops a reliable outside shot, he has a game altering weakness that is easy for other teams to exploit.  He may fix that but until he does, it is an "if" or maybe.  Give me Rose or even Russell Westbrook over Rondo as I feel those guys are safer bets than betting that Rondo gets becomes a reliable shooter.

There is the argument that Rondo has shown that he can be a PG for a champion.  Avery Johnson was a PG for champion so I think that is interfering with a more fair assessment of Rondo's overall talent relative to these other players.

[Fafnir]

Until Derrick Rose fixes his defensive lapses he won't be better than Rondo.

He's a better scorer, but Rondo's superior defense, passing, and rebounding make him a better PG at this point.

Rose has plenty of potential, we'll see how much of it he realizes.

[BballTim]

It is hard to criticize Rondo because I like a lot about him.  I like his old school toughness and I like his focus and complete mental commitment to the game while he is on the court (the latter is big in my opinion and what many players lack to take them over the top).  Rondo has results also, he gets rebounds, steals, points, etc.

But until he develops a reliable outside shot, he has a game altering weakness that is easy for other teams to exploit.  He may fix that but until he does, it is an "if" or maybe.  Give me Rose or even Russell Westbrook over Rondo as I feel those guys are safer bets than betting that Rondo gets becomes a reliable shooter.

There is the argument that Rondo has shown that he can be a PG for a champion.  Avery Johnson was a PG for champion so I think that is interfering with a more fair assessment of Rondo's overall talent relative to these other players.

  I think fixating on his outside shooting is interfering with a more fair assessment of Rondo's overall talent relative to these other players more than us winning the title in 2008. If Rondo had a game altering weakness that is easy for other teams to exploit then we'd have never made it to the ECF last year, let alone come within a few minutes of winning a title. Did the Cavs not know of this weakness? Did the Magic have no idea how to exploit it? How about the Heat?

  I'm not saying Rondo's a good outside shooter. I'm not saying that his shooting never hurts the team. But he also gets his teammates a boatload of easy shots. While teams not having to guard him tightly on the perimeter hurts the Celts, teams being unable to keep him out of the paint helps the  Celts on offense.

  Compare our team in the regular season now to the 66 win team in 07-08. Ray, 2 years older, struggled with his shooting for long stretches. KG was in and out of the lineup and ineffective for long stretches. Ditto for Pierce. Most of Posey's minutes went to players like Daniels and Tony Allen. Rasheed was, to put it kindly, struggling on offense. Perk took a couple more shots a game this year, but at a lower fg%, and his ft% didn't help. Yet the team's scoring efficiency was almost identical in 2010 to what it was in 2008. All three of KG/PP/RA played worse, they combined to play fewer minutes and combined to take fewer shots, but Rondo's positive impact on our offense increased enough to counteract this.

[Mike-Dub]

Until Derrick Rose fixes his defensive lapses he won't be better than Rondo.

He's a better scorer, but Rondo's superior defense, passing, and rebounding make him a better PG at this point.

Rose has plenty of potential, we'll see how much of it he realizes.

Right now, I like Rondo better. 


But they are close.  It would not surprise me if Rose ended up better then Rondo.



But for right now, give me Rondo.

I'm in the same boat.  I like Rondo better overall right now.  I think Rose will always be a better scorer, but Rondo will be a better floor general. 

Ditto!

[pearljammer10]

Point Guard? - I go with Rondo

Better overall Player? - Mmmmm, I might have to go with Rose from a talent stand point. I still think Rose is more of a SG in a PG body.

[Celticsfan336]

First off, Not one person I know wants CP3 and Emeka, over Rondo and Perk. That wont happen, and would really be a D bag move by DA towards Rondo and Perk.

Second off, Rondo is better than D Rose at everything expect Shooting/Free Throws. It's close, but Rondo is better at just about everything, whether its by a little, or a lot.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I actually like Rondo better for our team than both of those guys......I admire loyalty, which is similiar to integrity, a part of it....CP3 has already shown he has none of these...or is losing it....instead of leading his team out of the hole..looking for the players he wants and needs to help him there...he just wants out...an AI characteristic....not a CELTIC one..Rondo has shown more CELTIC behavior than anything else...he has had what we were told was a spell of discontent...but not to the extent of cp3...Rose, i don't know..he is good...but i still like rondo, his creative style, his incredible improvements month to month, and i believe year to year..his shot is already 50-60% better than it was...his speed, layups, passing, and heart..come on.....what MORE do you want...? Superman...hahaha, no not howard....All have imperfections, Rondo did great being so fast on a slower team..huh...!?!  Give him another speedy finisher (TA) fast guard or forward...watch him go...!  What do you want him to do, score 30 points a game...This isn't, or hasn't been that kind of TEAM (TEAM), it has at best been a shared success, like all starters in double points...that is almost basketball perfection...yes, i know what happened at the end last year..blame, is say it was lakers dirt, cheap shots and hard hits that killed us....three...a hit to rays thigh, well placed by ronny -dirt-artest..wayyy on purpose, kobe on perks leg/knee.....and rondo getting hoit by kobe, then artest for stitches....= our need for an enforcer...in a way TA was a help for that..you hatede his gangster past...well....the rest of the league feared it...is it better to be loved our feared......? No one in the league would foul TA hard and on purpose..without an extreme apology...i assure you...don't ask me how i know this.  Rondo is our guy...easy to think how much better we could have it when you have it good....rose is good, cp3 is good...cp3 is a locker room and team disbander, if that is a word, not a unifier. we need a fast steady guy to help rondo...two would be best.  just my 5 cents..!

[jc3celticsphan]

o geez first a cp3 better then rondo thread now a rose better then rondo thread... seriously is this even a question.. rondo abuses cp3 everytime he plays him why u think cp3 gets mad.. and derek rose aint even better then russel westbrook come on now lets be serious here

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Hey..thats right dude...TP for you...your first i guess..!  I thought the same thing..as i recall..rondo smoked cp3 in those games.....or was cp3 out hurt..can't remember...but he did whup rose..rondo has soooo many more creative moves, some never been seen before...except in maybe that and1 league...most of those guys, as skilled as they are, can't do "NBA legal" moves to save themselves...! Rondo is soon to be the new #1 pg in the league..it wasn't him that cost us any games.....Didn't rondo lead the league in assists.....what more do you want from....what we need is more help for rondo.like i said, more running bears....LOL....a stoudamare type or lee would have helped...fast big men, or another fast running-slashing guard.....like   .,,,TA maybe...maybe we can trade for
TA...LOL...lost TA for no reason....again, signing the weak daniels for 2.5, 3 mill...that was TA's money...should have kept TA, gave him the next year..dumped md...or signed him for the min....until he proved otherwise.....get players who want to play hard, or rookies who have potential..and..uhm....please play them hard for the first 3 months of the season..at least see what you might have...!!!   but..that is just my unpaid..after work opinion....worth 2-5 cents..American..!

[ajgoodman]

CP3 is better than Rondo.
Rondo is a better point guard than Rose.
Rose is a better player than Rondo.

[PosImpos]

Better point guard: Rondo
Better overall player: probably Rose

[winsomme]

It is hard to criticize Rondo because I like a lot about him.  I like his old school toughness and I like his focus and complete mental commitment to the game while he is on the court (the latter is big in my opinion and what many players lack to take them over the top).  Rondo has results also, he gets rebounds, steals, points, etc.

But until he develops a reliable outside shot, he has a game altering weakness that is easy for other teams to exploit.  He may fix that but until he does, it is an "if" or maybe.  Give me Rose or even Russell Westbrook over Rondo as I feel those guys are safer bets than betting that Rondo gets becomes a reliable shooter.

There is the argument that Rondo has shown that he can be a PG for a champion.  Avery Johnson was a PG for champion so I think that is interfering with a more fair assessment of Rondo's overall talent relative to these other players.

  I think fixating on his outside shooting is interfering with a more fair assessment of Rondo's overall talent relative to these other players more than us winning the title in 2008. If Rondo had a game altering weakness that is easy for other teams to exploit then we'd have never made it to the ECF last year, let alone come within a few minutes of winning a title. Did the Cavs not know of this weakness? Did the Magic have no idea how to exploit it? How about the Heat?

  I'm not saying Rondo's a good outside shooter. I'm not saying that his shooting never hurts the team. But he also gets his teammates a boatload of easy shots. While teams not having to guard him tightly on the perimeter hurts the Celts, teams being unable to keep him out of the paint helps the  Celts on offense.

  Compare our team in the regular season now to the 66 win team in 07-08. Ray, 2 years older, struggled with his shooting for long stretches. KG was in and out of the lineup and ineffective for long stretches. Ditto for Pierce. Most of Posey's minutes went to players like Daniels and Tony Allen. Rasheed was, to put it kindly, struggling on offense. Perk took a couple more shots a game this year, but at a lower fg%, and his ft% didn't help. Yet the team's scoring efficiency was almost identical in 2010 to what it was in 2008. All three of KG/PP/RA played worse, they combined to play fewer minutes and combined to take fewer shots, but Rondo's positive impact on our offense increased enough to counteract this.

personally I think it is the combination of the mid-range and out jumper and the FT shooting...That combo can rear its head and become very problematic (like it did in the Finals).

For my money, I'd rather see him focus on improving his FT shooting. That seems like something he should be able to improve and it is the element of his game that IMO most seems to affect him when he's in a particularly bad rut.

He lost some of his aggressiveness in the Finals when he started struggling at the line....

With his ability to get to the rim, if he could shoot in the 75% range, I think his lack of a jumper would seem much less important....

[Rondo_is_better]

Better point guard: Rondo
Better overall player: probably Rose

Pretty much what I was gonna say.

[Celtics18]

I don't get the popular reasoning around here that Rondo is the better PG, but Rose is the better overall player.

If Rondo's a better point guard, then he's a better player overall.  I don't think Rose would be better at the 2 position.  As a matter of fact, I think he'd be worse. 

I think Rose will always be capable of scoring more points, but is that now the sole measure of how good a player is?