Shaq & Jermaine = more Rebounds / "No Rebounds, No Rings" pat riley

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You can't control the paint if:

1) The other team can consistently break down your defense because your bigs are both too immobile to defend the pick and roll
2) The other team scores easily in transition because your bigs are too slow to get back

Playing JO and Shaq together would also be horrible for Rondo. Think of all the points we get when KG runs hard in transition, or even Perk. Shaq and JO will be like Wallace, alway trailing well behind the push.

It is true that no one will grab rebounds over the heads of those two, unlike with Baby, but there are so many things we could substitute fr the word 'rebounds' in that quote.

1) Didn't hurt the Lakers. Bynum hurt his knee in 1st round, and still managed to make his presence felt with one knee. Size matters in the NBA. Don't underestimate our Perimeter D.

2) Transition offense is back-court job. With occasional KG outlet pass.  

Team up: KG with Shaq & Baby with Jermaine.


I trust DOC.

[greensamurai]

If we signed Shaq, we would definitely need him to lose weight. Was I the only one who saw how large he was last season?

[guava_wrench]

You can't control the paint if:

1) The other team can consistently break down your defense because your bigs are both too immobile to defend the pick and roll
2) The other team scores easily in transition because your bigs are too slow to get back

Playing JO and Shaq together would also be horrible for Rondo. Think of all the points we get when KG runs hard in transition, or even Perk. Shaq and JO will be like Wallace, alway trailing well behind the push.

It is true that no one will grab rebounds over the heads of those two, unlike with Baby, but there are so many things we could substitute fr the word 'rebounds' in that quote.

1) Didn't hurt the Lakers. Bynum hurt his knee in 1st round, and still managed to make his presence felt with one knee. Size matters in the NBA. Don't underestimate our Perimeter D.

2) Transition offense is back-court job. With occasional KG outlet pass.  

Team up: KG with Shaq & Baby with Jermaine.


I trust DOC.

The backcourt guards against fast breaks, but it isn't their job to avoid 4 on 2 transition defense. The big guys need to get back to even numbers.

I'm not underestimating our perimeter D. That isn't even at question in my post. What I doubt is our pick and roll when JO or Shaq show. They can't get back to their man after hedging. They are too slow.

I am fine with one of those two on the floor, but not both together. The problem with not playing both together is that Shaq is a disruptive force when things don't go his way. If not for that, I would gladly take Shaq as insurance.

There is a reason why JO has a higher market value these days than Shaq. Shaq has a bit of AI in him and has a hard time accepting a diminished role.

[Celtics4ever]

Not to mention that they can play zone these days and dare the other team to shoot and ignore the pick and roll.  That would beat LeBron as he is a mediocre shooter at best.  Kobe and Wade could hurt you with that somewhat though.

Bosh would give up against that beef though I wager.

[guava_wrench]

Not to mention that they can play zone these days and dare the other team to shoot and ignore the pick and roll.  That would beat LeBron as he is a mediocre shooter at best.  Kobe and Wade could hurt you with that somewhat though.

Bosh would give up against that beef though I wager.

Lebron is a better shooter from deep than Wade, Wade is better with the midrange. Wade is a weak 3pt shooter.

[greensamurai]

LeBron does have the better percentage but I feel like Wade would kill us more than LeBron, look what he did in the playoffs to us with no help.

Having below average pick n roll defense against Miami would kill our bench and make our starters play more minutes and hurt us in the long run

[vinnie]

Regarding Perk's injury, is it possible he could have the same sort of miraculous recovery we have seen in Wes Welker, who also had a brutal knee blowout?

[KG_ended_Bias]

Perk is who he was before the injury. Slow, lethargic with no athletic ability really to speak of. Just a BIG brute who is fundamentally sound defensively. We better hope to the basketball GODS he doesnt get even slower or regress on his progress!

[ScoobyDoo]

I like Shaq as a hammer for us, lay some really hard hits on guys comign down the lane. 3-4 hard fouls a game

[guava_wrench]

LeBron does have the better percentage but I feel like Wade would kill us more than LeBron, look what he did in the playoffs to us with no help.

Having below average pick n roll defense against Miami would kill our bench and make our starters play more minutes and hurt us in the long run

Wade shot well in the one game they won, but how well did he shoot from deep in the other games?

This reminds me of Ben Gordon. He can have a mediocre series, but people would only remember the shots he hit while forgetting the ones he missed.

[BballTim]

LeBron does have the better percentage but I feel like Wade would kill us more than LeBron, look what he did in the playoffs to us with no help.

Having below average pick n roll defense against Miami would kill our bench and make our starters play more minutes and hurt us in the long run

Wade shot well in the one game they won, but how well did he shoot from deep in the other games?

This reminds me of Ben Gordon. He can have a mediocre series, but people would only remember the shots he hit while forgetting the ones he missed.

  5-7 one game, 5-8 in another. Not so great in the other 3, but still shot 40% for the series from downtown.

[Celticsfan336]

love this logic. If Celtics can control the paint (defensively & offensively) its Game Over. A formula for success. Celtics beating up the Heat in the paint   fun to watch.

I wonder if Nasty KG comes back next season. He'll have 2 beast (2 O'neals) backing him up. Make that 3 with Perk. Expect KG with a lot swagger next season.

Ainge make it happen, NOW!

This is what I have been preaching.

I expect this celtic team to have a VERY VERY good reg. season (even without shaq) If we sign him, and another wing....sky's the limit.

[Surferdad]

You can't control the paint if:

1) The other team can consistently break down your defense because your bigs are both too immobile to defend the pick and roll
2) The other team scores easily in transition because your bigs are too slow to get back

Playing JO and Shaq together would also be horrible for Rondo. Think of all the points we get when KG runs hard in transition, or even Perk. Shaq and JO will be like Wallace, alway trailing well behind the push.

It is true that no one will grab rebounds over the heads of those two, unlike with Baby, but there are so many things we could substitute fr the word 'rebounds' in that quote.

1) Didn't hurt the Lakers. Bynum hurt his knee in 1st round, and still managed to make his presence felt with one knee. Size matters in the NBA. Don't underestimate our Perimeter D.

2) Transition offense is back-court job. With occasional KG outlet pass.  

Team up: KG with Shaq & Baby with Jermaine.


I trust DOC.

The backcourt guards against fast breaks, but it isn't their job to avoid 4 on 2 transition defense. The big guys need to get back to even numbers.

I'm not underestimating our perimeter D. That isn't even at question in my post. What I doubt is our pick and roll when JO or Shaq show. They can't get back to their man after hedging. They are too slow.

I am fine with one of those two on the floor, but not both together. The problem with not playing both together is that Shaq is a disruptive force when things don't go his way. If not for that, I would gladly take Shaq as insurance.

There is a reason why JO has a higher market value these days than Shaq. Shaq has a bit of AI in him and has a hard time accepting a diminished role.

I agree that you can't put Shaq and JO on the floor together.  You need at least one big that can run the floor, plus the point about recovering from the pick-and-roll.  Baby doesn't run well either.  KG is the only one.

That said, I am sure Doc could figure out a rotation that work if Shaq comes here.

Another point which I have not heard discussed is the notion of keeping Shaq AWAY from other teams.  In other words, his value is sort of doubled, not only would he help us in the frontcourt, but he would help a team like Miami BIG TIME.  A legit center is really the only thing they lack at this point.  He could help Chicago too.