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Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #180 on: July 25, 2010, 07:14:11 PM »

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a cavaliers insider says they are talking a sign and trade with the celtics for shaq

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Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #181 on: July 25, 2010, 07:28:56 PM »

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a cavaliers insider says they are talking a sign and trade with the celtics for shaq

https://twitter.com/CavsInsider216

Not to be that overly skeptical guy, but I have a hard time believing some Randy Johnson on Twitter with 4 followers.

Just sayin'.

Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #182 on: July 25, 2010, 08:26:11 PM »

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The only way I want Shaq in a S&T deal is if Parker or Moon are thrown in as well. Otherwise, I would prefer to S&T for Howard or to Houston for Battier, etc..

Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #183 on: July 25, 2010, 08:28:19 PM »

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If New Orleans blows it up, I would try to peel off Okafor for Davis and Sheed 's contract and let Shaq walk.  I heard ATL wants to dump Horton too.  Both would be better options.

If you are talking about Al Horford, then I would do that deal in a hearbeat, but I have a hard time believing they would deal him in a salary dump. If we have to throw in BBD and SHeed for Horford, I would jump at the chance, provided Horford is signed to an extension. I'm not sure when his current deal runs out, but that guy is a baller.

Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #184 on: July 25, 2010, 08:50:43 PM »

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Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #185 on: July 25, 2010, 09:23:21 PM »

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a cavaliers insider says they are talking a sign and trade with the celtics for shaq

https://twitter.com/CavsInsider216

Not to be that overly skeptical guy, but I have a hard time believing some Randy Johnson on Twitter with 4 followers.

Just sayin'.

Well, it's not as if it's a well-wishing "Boston Insider" who claims he has such a source.


Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #186 on: July 25, 2010, 09:27:06 PM »

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The only way I want Shaq in a S&T deal is if Parker or Moon are thrown in as well. Otherwise, I would prefer to S&T for Howard or to Houston for Battier, etc..

What would you want if Howard and Battier turn out to be unobtainable?
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Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #187 on: July 25, 2010, 09:27:17 PM »

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****, sorry, but some self-important dude on twitter with 6 followers? Is this what counts as a "source" these days? This is why I always laugh when idiots like Chris Broussard report stuff from "sources." Its just some Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. on twitter.
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Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #188 on: July 25, 2010, 11:01:09 PM »

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Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.



Perk taking that unnecessary dribble; is that before or after he travels...

Problem is that there is going to be no need to foul him near the basket soon enough since he can't finish consistently anymore.

He shot 56 percent last season and 51 percent in the playoffs. Is that not consistent enough?
In comparison over the last 3 years combined Perkins has shot 59.6% from the field. Just throwing that out there

How often did Perkins, 3 feet from the hoop, have to take an unnecessary dribble to gather himself.. only to have it stolen or forced into some sort of turnover?  Shaq finishes next to the hoop, plain and simple.  He doesn't have the lift like he used to, but I watched him bull over Perkins & Davis next to the hoop with limited touches.

With the amount of times the Celtics have gotten the ball to Perkins and other bigs 3ft from the hoop, Shaq would fit in well and succeed.



Perk taking that unnecessary dribble; is that before or after he travels...?

...which is then followed by a technical foul because the referee is always incorrect in his mind.  ::)
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Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #189 on: July 25, 2010, 11:05:54 PM »

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Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.



Perk taking that unnecessary dribble; is that before or after he travels...

Problem is that there is going to be no need to foul him near the basket soon enough since he can't finish consistently anymore.

He shot 56 percent last season and 51 percent in the playoffs. Is that not consistent enough?
In comparison over the last 3 years combined Perkins has shot 59.6% from the field. Just throwing that out there

How often did Perkins, 3 feet from the hoop, have to take an unnecessary dribble to gather himself.. only to have it stolen or forced into some sort of turnover?  Shaq finishes next to the hoop, plain and simple.  He doesn't have the lift like he used to, but I watched him bull over Perkins & Davis next to the hoop with limited touches.

With the amount of times the Celtics have gotten the ball to Perkins and other bigs 3ft from the hoop, Shaq would fit in well and succeed.



Perk taking that unnecessary dribble; is that before or after he travels...?

...which is then followed by a technical foul because the referee is always incorrect in his mind.  ::)

Guys I'm reading these quotes and I can't believe what I'm seeing. Perk does dumb stuff on the offensive end, but Shaq? Shaq just MISSES on the offensive end. He's really old and NOT very good anymore.
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Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #190 on: July 25, 2010, 11:45:16 PM »

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One bad thing about Perk's jumping is he is not springy and has to gather himself by bending his knees or dribbling to jump.  Some guys don't require as much bend as others to get off the floor, Perk with his musculature  has to really gather himself to get off the ground.

Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #191 on: July 26, 2010, 12:11:41 AM »

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Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.


Problem is that there is going to be no need to foul him near the basket soon enough since he can't finish consistently anymore.

He shot 56 percent last season and 51 percent in the playoffs. Is that not consistent enough?
In comparison over the last 3 years combined Perkins has shot 59.6% from the field. Just throwing that out there

How often did Perkins, 3 feet from the hoop, have to take an unnecessary dribble to gather himself.. only to have it stolen or forced into some sort of turnover?  Shaq finishes next to the hoop, plain and simple.  He doesn't have the lift like he used to, but I watched him bull over Perkins & Davis next to the hoop with limited touches.

With the amount of times the Celtics have gotten the ball to Perkins and other bigs 3ft from the hoop, Shaq would fit in well and succeed.

  It's an interesting question. Perkins turns the ball over at a higher rate than Shaq, but he also hits a higher percentage of his shots and his free throws. Perk uses about 10.4 possessions a game to get 10.1 points. Shaq uses about 12.6 possessions a game to get 12.0 points. In terms of efficiency, slight advantage to Perk. Also, PP/RA/KG all score more points per possession than Shaq. If Shaq's extra 2 possessions come from Rondo it's ok but if they come from PP or RA or KG then the team becomes even less efficient.

  Also, Shaq gets fouled on about 20% of his shots and Perk gets fouled on about 19% of his so Shaq isn't going to draw many more fouls than Perk, maybe 1 more foul every other game or so.
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Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #192 on: July 26, 2010, 01:08:59 AM »

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Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.


Problem is that there is going to be no need to foul him near the basket soon enough since he can't finish consistently anymore.

He shot 56 percent last season and 51 percent in the playoffs. Is that not consistent enough?
In comparison over the last 3 years combined Perkins has shot 59.6% from the field. Just throwing that out there

How often did Perkins, 3 feet from the hoop, have to take an unnecessary dribble to gather himself.. only to have it stolen or forced into some sort of turnover?  Shaq finishes next to the hoop, plain and simple.  He doesn't have the lift like he used to, but I watched him bull over Perkins & Davis next to the hoop with limited touches.

With the amount of times the Celtics have gotten the ball to Perkins and other bigs 3ft from the hoop, Shaq would fit in well and succeed.

  It's an interesting question. Perkins turns the ball over at a higher rate than Shaq, but he also hits a higher percentage of his shots and his free throws. Perk uses about 10.4 possessions a game to get 10.1 points. Shaq uses about 12.6 possessions a game to get 12.0 points. In terms of efficiency, slight advantage to Perk. Also, PP/RA/KG all score more points per possession than Shaq. If Shaq's extra 2 possessions come from Rondo it's ok but if they come from PP or RA or KG then the team becomes even less efficient.

  Also, Shaq gets fouled on about 20% of his shots and Perk gets fouled on about 19% of his so Shaq isn't going to draw many more fouls than Perk, maybe 1 more foul every other game or so.

I guess this is one of those questions where we just need to watch what is happening on the court.

After watching what Shaq did to PHO the season before and CLE in the BOS series, I would in no way think him to be even comparable to Perk in our offense.

as a back up center, I'd be fine with Shaq, but Perk is far superior for us (at least pre-injury, anyway..)

Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #193 on: July 26, 2010, 02:44:05 AM »

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Re: Shaq wants to be a Celtic
« Reply #194 on: July 26, 2010, 07:18:27 AM »

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Shaq draws a lot of fouls and gets the opposing team into the penalty early, which alone should considerably help our offensive efficiency.



Perk taking that unnecessary dribble; is that before or after he travels...

Problem is that there is going to be no need to foul him near the basket soon enough since he can't finish consistently anymore.

He shot 56 percent last season and 51 percent in the playoffs. Is that not consistent enough?
In comparison over the last 3 years combined Perkins has shot 59.6% from the field. Just throwing that out there

How often did Perkins, 3 feet from the hoop, have to take an unnecessary dribble to gather himself.. only to have it stolen or forced into some sort of turnover?  Shaq finishes next to the hoop, plain and simple.  He doesn't have the lift like he used to, but I watched him bull over Perkins & Davis next to the hoop with limited touches.

With the amount of times the Celtics have gotten the ball to Perkins and other bigs 3ft from the hoop, Shaq would fit in well and succeed.



Perk taking that unnecessary dribble; is that before or after he travels...?

...which is then followed by a technical foul because the referee is always incorrect in his mind.  ::)

Guys I'm reading these quotes and I can't believe what I'm seeing. Perk does dumb stuff on the offensive end, but Shaq? Shaq just MISSES on the offensive end. He's really old and NOT very good anymore.

I don't love the Perk bashing, but Shaq doesn't "just miss" all that often.  In 2009 he led the NBA in FG%, and last season he was at 56.6%.  That's a pretty impressive percentage for a player that creates his own offense (unlike Perk), and placed him in the top ten in the NBA.

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