Would you trade KG & Rondo to land C. Paul, Okafor, & Posey

[BballTim]

No because we have no shot w/o Garnett and w/ Okafor and Rondo and Paul may not be equals but, on Boston Rondo is the better player. 

No chance of happening anyway due to there being no need for Rondo in NO.

But a fun discussion, no doubt.

Pauls never won anything, FYI.

That is why I said there would need to be a third team.

FYI, Lebron James has never won anything either, but I'd take him over Paul Pierce any day of the week.  Winning in basketball is about the team, not the individual.  Sure the individual can control winning a lot more in basketball then any other team sport, but you still have to have a team to win.

I agree and we have a winning team already.

We lost last year.

So according to you, there's only one winning team in the NBA? Great reasoning...

Correct. One team in the NBA wins the championship. You think the Cs organization should settle for "pretty good"? Think that's how they won 17 championships?

That is a very very very limited view of the game (I'm getting nicer as I get older).  I read the trade and I mentioned we have no chance of winning so I rejected it due to that the fact they we have a PROVEN winning formula.

Again Chris Paul has won nothing in the league and Okafor is bad w/ a horrible contract and Posey is done, fyi.

Bring on all your 'fabulous' trade ideas.

Okafor and Perkins are pretty similar players.  And Okafor essentially has the contract Perkins is going to get next summer and Okafor isn't coming off of a major knee injury.

  At this point isn't it pretty hard to predict what kind of contract Perk will get? His play this year is likely to be late in the season in a limited role and he clearly won't be playing his best.

[Birdbrain]

No because we have no shot w/o Garnett and w/ Okafor and Rondo and Paul may not be equals but, on Boston Rondo is the better player. 

No chance of happening anyway due to there being no need for Rondo in NO.

But a fun discussion, no doubt.

Pauls never won anything, FYI.

That is why I said there would need to be a third team.

FYI, Lebron James has never won anything either, but I'd take him over Paul Pierce any day of the week.  Winning in basketball is about the team, not the individual.  Sure the individual can control winning a lot more in basketball then any other team sport, but you still have to have a team to win.

I agree and we have a winning team already.

We lost last year.

So according to you, there's only one winning team in the NBA? Great reasoning...

Correct. One team in the NBA wins the championship. You think the Cs organization should settle for "pretty good"? Think that's how they won 17 championships?

That is a very very very limited view of the game (I'm getting nicer as I get older).  I read the trade and I mentioned we have no chance of winning so I rejected it due to that the fact they we have a PROVEN winning formula.

Again Chris Paul has won nothing in the league and Okafor is bad w/ a horrible contract and Posey is done, fyi.

Bring on all your 'fabulous' trade ideas.

Okafor and Perkins are pretty similar players.  And Okafor essentially has the contract Perkins is going to get next summer and Okafor isn't coming off of a major knee injury.

I thought I read where Okafor still had something like 4/57 left on his contract?  If so Perkins will be in another city before he gets anywhere near that.  And believe me I've already noted that JO is upgrade over Perkins so you can interpret my opinion of Perkins from that.

[RAcker]

While Rondo and Paul would be a reasonable talent trade, KG would not be worth losing for what we'd be getting back.

So, my simple answer to the original poster is, "No."

[SCBirdman]

NO. I would not trade KG. The only reason we have Banner 17 is because that guy came here and spent virtually everything he had in his tank to get us that title. KG should retire a Celtic, as should Ray and Pierce.

I would, however trade Perk, Sheed, Rondo, and filler to get CP3 and Okafor.

[lilfotoman]

keep rondo. hes the key for bostons future.

[guava_wrench]

No because we have no shot w/o Garnett and w/ Okafor and Rondo and Paul may not be equals but, on Boston Rondo is the better player. 

No chance of happening anyway due to there being no need for Rondo in NO.

But a fun discussion, no doubt.

Pauls never won anything, FYI.

That is why I said there would need to be a third team.

FYI, Lebron James has never won anything either, but I'd take him over Paul Pierce any day of the week.  Winning in basketball is about the team, not the individual.  Sure the individual can control winning a lot more in basketball then any other team sport, but you still have to have a team to win.

I agree and we have a winning team already.

We lost last year.

So according to you, there's only one winning team in the NBA? Great reasoning...

Correct. One team in the NBA wins the championship. You think the Cs organization should settle for "pretty good"? Think that's how they won 17 championships?

Bad logic. You are endorsing panic moves because of losing 1 game in the 4th quarter. Get some perspective.

How many times was San Antonio not a winning team in between championships?

Losing in a game 7 in the finals is not "settling".

That is also NOT how the Celtics won 17 championships. The won by having a loaded roster during Russell's time.

None of this matters anyway. All that matters is whether the team is better short and/or long term with the trade. We would have to completely revamp our defensive philosophy if we traded Rondo and KG. We have no idea how that would play out.

We already have a team that can win it all, as last year proved. We don't know what would happen after major changes. There is always the problem of regression to the mean when making major changes to top teams.

[jambr380]

On a slightly unrelated note, I wish Okafor never got the contract he did. I know he is not 'dominant', but I have always liked his game and consider his game to be a pretty good fit with many nba teams- including the Celtics. Now, if we ever get him, I will be slightly disappointed based solely on his contract...but I like him a lot more than I ever liked LaFrentz.

...as for CP3, he is slightly better than Rondo, but I am not sure I make this trade...

[Vermont Green]

I would trade anyone on the roster to get Chris Paul to Boston but old guys is not what NO is going to be looking to get back.  My opinion of Chris Paul is that he is right up there with Wade in terms of value to a franchise.

I think the OP is headed in the right direction in that NO is going to want to purge the bad contracts if they do give up Paul.  I think they can get back a whole lot better than what we can give though so I am not expecting us to be in the game if there is a game to get into.

[k.diddy]

Yes there is only one winner of each season. That doesn't mean the Celtics are not a winning team. They are one of the top teams in the league every year, since the Big 3 cam to town. The argument was not whether they are winners, but whether our TEAM is winning team. And since we already won one title with this same, or almost the same group of guys, that further proves we are a winning team. And we are still capable of winning.

And no one said anything about settling, or being pretty good. Obviously Red didn't settle back in the day. That's why he went out and got Russel, Cowens, Bird as a junior, etc. He pulled so many rabbits out of hats that he will be remembered forever. Anyone here ever heard the story about HOW he got Bill Russel? I highly recommend reading the story and guarantee you'll get a good laugh out of it. Point blank, he was so far ahead of everyone else that without him, there would be no NBA today.

All I'm saying is we have a winning team, just because we lost game 7 does not qualify us as a losing team.

buddy ur wrong.  u know very well that ur not happy unless we win a title.  sure its good for the hawks to have a winning record and do some damage in the playoffs but for us its about chips.  if we dont win the title then we lost.  that being said...this trade idea sucks.  but lets not get it twisted, were not trying to have overall winning recordes....were tryina win titles.

[k.diddy]

No.  I don't think we can win it all with that this year and I don't think that Paul coming here guarantees any future titles, particularly when he could walk in 2012. 

What do you mean: guarantees any future titles? Does such a guarantee exist? Paul will have to agree to sign an extention with any team that trades for him....

In a nutshell, I think there's a greater chance we win a title with KG next year than with Paul ever. 

thats absurd...so paul doesnt have a shot at 1 or 2 titles? have you seen him play? youtube chris paul...i think youv forgotten how good and young he is.

[k.diddy]

Correct. One team in the NBA wins the championship. You think the Cs organization should settle for "pretty good"? Think that's how they won 17 championships?

They certainly didn't do it by pulling off crazy trades that make the team worse.

Yes -- it would be rather difficult to win championships by making your team worse.

Historically, the Celtics have made plenty of aggressive trades that have contributed to them winning championships. If you think this trade makes the Celtics worse, so be it. But the Cs weren't able to win last year, and the team has not improved this offseason while a number of other teams have. So I've no problem with the idea being thrown out there, particularly when it involves one of the best players in the NBA.

The reality is of course that the Cs won't trade Garnett or Paul Pierce -- at least not yet. Hard to imagine Ray being traded either. Clearly Wyc's objective is to continue to take the odds that this team can find a way to get over the top despite their narrowing window of age.

although i dont see why everyone is ripping into u...this trade isnt a good idea.  more important than good...anything, really...is good bigs.  okafur is certainly not that.  and he kills our cap forever and paul might leave in two years.  that being said if we got paul we might be able to convince dwight to sign here. lastly, i think ur selling our team short.  how much better do we need to get?? we were just in game 7 of the finals...

[timepiece33]

I'd consider two deals with the Hornets

TRADE #1
To Boston: Chris Paul and Quincy Pondexter
To New Orleans: Rajon Rondo, Glenn Davis, and Sheed's Contract

TRADE #2
To Boston: Chris Paul, Emeka Okafor, David West, and James Posey
To New Orleans: Rajon Rondo, Kevin Garnett,Glenn Davis, Oliver Lafayette, and Sheed's contract

It's tough to contemplate either one and while I value Paul's ability, Rondo at his salary is likely to be one of the best values in the NBA over the next 5 years.   

[GreenFaith1819]

Sorry in deflecting the trade thread here, but I still cannot fathom why CP3 would even want out of NOH.

I just remembered - they still have David West, right? He is nearly a 20-10 guy, and was an All-Star just a few yrs ago, and he's still young.

Okafor is easily a 10-10 and nearly 2 blocks guy..

They have a decent bench in Posey, Thornton, Collison, and Julian Wright..

If CP3 could keep himself happy (And Healthy) in NOH, he could easily be looking at a 50 win team....and if he looked at the PHX example from last season, he would know that NOH definitely has a shot at competing in the West - as long as he stayed there.

Just stay home, young fella...stop listening to all the hype and look at the team you have around you already.

[jc3celticsphan]

im realy sick of all the cp3 talk... not in the bean we dont want em get em outa hea!!! gotta start chantting rondos better! clap clap clapclapclap

[dpaps]

I'd consider two deals with the Hornets

TRADE #1
To Boston: Chris Paul and Quincy Pondexter
To New Orleans: Rajon Rondo, Glenn Davis, and Sheed's Contract

TRADE #2
To Boston: Chris Paul, Emeka Okafor, David West, and James Posey
To New Orleans: Rajon Rondo, Kevin Garnett,Glenn Davis, Oliver Lafayette, and Sheed's contract

It's tough to contemplate either one and while I value Paul's ability, Rondo at his salary is likely to be one of the best values in the NBA over the next 5 years.   

I would consider trade number 2. David West is a very good scoring PF, his mid range game can rival KG's. Of course a healthy KG is a better rebounder and defender, but we haven't seen that KG in awhile. I'm hoping being another year removed from surgery will lead to a better KG, but if it's just mileage and KG continues to decline, you could probably argue Dwest is atleast an equal. CP3, Okafor and Posey is a no brainer for Rondo and Big Baby at that point.

CP3/ Nate/ Bradley
Ray/ Daniels/ Bradley / Hayes
Pierce/ Posey/ Daniels / Hayes
West/ Okafor/ Harangody
Perk/ JO / Boone

sign two mimimum contracts like Jarvis Hayes and Boone and we have a complete team.