Why Is Glen Davis still on this team?

[Bankshot]

You simply cannot trade him.

he's a solid role player, but i wouldn't go so far as to saying that.



- LilRip

With what we have now, you can't.  Your top 3 bigs are bigs who have had injury issues in the past few years.  You know KG and Jermaine O'Neal will both miss 10+ games, while Shaq will prob be missing 20+.  You cannot trade Davis.  We need some youth in the front court.

They just don't like Baby and want him gone no matter what the cost. 

[Witch-King]

I guess people have already forgotten about how Glen Davis filled in for Kevin Garnett in game 2 vs the Miami Heat.

If we didn't win that game, we'd have lost alot of our momentum in that series; the Miami Heat were the 5th seed, compared to our 4th and you've already seen what steps they have tried to take in order to jockey for a top spot in the East this upcoming season. LeBron, Wade and Bosh should have almost no trouble landing one of the top two seeds, provided they have an adequate supporting cast.

[GreenEnvy]

soooo, do you think the 24-25 yr old will show up this year, IN SHAPE..? Now that the other teams know he might run for a rebound, they will guard him too. No reason to be fat in the NBA at 24. Did he improve over the summer? Or do you not expect any improvements from him.....sure, he did some great things now and then....but he is getting paid big $$$, so what is the next level....how about consistancy, like a big forward worth his $$$, 10 points per game, 8-10 rebounds..if he can do that, he'll prove his worth. What does he get 3-5 mill a year..? THAT is next level money, not just a now and then hero. Make them cover you, then do something anyway...that is a next level player....a goood bench guy, yes, maybe, but a good bench guy doesn't get 3-5 mill. Unless he is 30 something and an older vet..not 24, in his prime..!

I don't care if you are 24, 34, or even 44 years old. If you are an NBA player, there is no excuse for being out of shape. You are (supposedly) a world class athlete playing a fast-paced game. You practice and lift weights daily. A team of doctors/trainers available to you 24/7. You are a millionaire who can afford the best diet.

I never understood it.

you were agreeing with me..? I thought that was my point, that the fat kid should be in shape, like he said he would 3 years ago (cheeseburger please), I at least do agree with you.....he is paid to be in shape.

I was agreeing with you and taking it a step further.

[snively]

I don't agree with Jevi's analysis of BBD's game; however, I am beginning to wonder if there is a bigger market for BBD than Sheed. 

BBD can help a team this year, doesn't cost much, and gives the team the option of re-signing him with Bird rights or letting him go next summer. 

If we can get more for BBD than Sheed, I wouldn't be opposed to using Sheed to get Shaq, signing another big (say Joe Smith), and then using BBD to get that elusive third wing. 

But I'd only do that if the third wing we were getting is quite good.  I'm not sure if there's anyone who is available who quite fits the profile and makes comparable money to Baby. 

Glen Davis for Rudy Fernandez?

Edit: Trying to think of a few more ideas ... here is what I came up with

(1) Glen Davis for Rudy Fernandez
(2) Glen Davis + Rasheed Wallace for Boris Diaw + Derrick Brown
(3) Glen Davis + Rasheed Wallace for Mike Dunleavy
(4) Glen Davis for Courtney Lee
(5) Glen Davis for Quincy Pondexter
(6) Glen Davis + a first round pick for Nick Collison
(7) Glen Davis for Jared Dudley

Anything possible with Detroit? For Tayshaun Prince or a smaller deal of a big + Jerebko?

I love Jerebko (fantastic fit with Rondo going forward), but so does Dumars, and I don't see Baby prying him lose.  Baby might end up being the 4th or 5th big in their rotation after Wallace, Monroe, Villanueva and even Maxiell whereas Jerebko was a starter for most of the year. 

Dudley would be great and I think Baby's versatility gives him extra value in Phoenix.  Takes a great 3-pt shooter out of their line-up, though, so I doubt they'd do it.  I don't think they want Janning to be their only shooter off the bench. 

I don't understand the Nick Collison idea.  I like the player, but he might end up as the 5th big by the time the playoffs roll around and we give up a 1st rounder for him?

Pondexter for Baby sounds good, but I'm not sure if Ainge is that big of a Pondexter fan.

I think Courtney Lee has a higher asking price for the Nets, mostly because he was so recently the centerpiece of the Carter/Anderson trade.  I think Baby/2011 1st round pick for Humphries/Damion James would be great for us.  The wings for NJ are stocked with youngish talent (Outlaw, Morrow, Lee, Williams), so I think they would be open to bolstering that front court.  Humphries is Shelden Williams part deux, and Damion James is a big boost to our bench (still a little irritated we went with Bradley - potential aside- over someone with James' body of work).

Dunleavy recent injury issues and career-long inconsistency make me very tepid to the idea of acquiring him.  He could be a solid bench player or a big waste of money.

Really like the Diaw idea.  I think he's the best of the realistic trade options available to the C's.  Perfect contract length, addresses our main areas of defensive weakness (big 3s, quick 4s, pick and roll D off the bench), and fits solidly into our offensive system.

Rudy for Baby sounds fine as well.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Got ya there green E, and for my part here, I do not want bbd gone, i want him to be better, he has the potential, but he has to want it more. At 24, i am.....older than he is, okay wayyyy older, but i have NEVER been out of shape with blubber like him. And i was 24 once, so i DO know how it is. Man, at 24, 25...how can you NOT get in shape...? Your body just wants to go, and heal itself in a day.....yeeeoww....and get PAID like that to play hoop, to live so well, have pro help...real pro help......i am dumbfounded on how he can stay so extra heavy. He has the golden key in his lap (under the food tray) to be legendary....a GREAT CELTIC to live on forever, or just a regular, decent bench guy. First in the food line, but gonna go to the gym later (ya sure). Oh 24.....i have to say one more....oh forget it.....he can and should be here, but lose the blubber, take off that shirt when you eat.....that will change your mind. He should have a 6 pack abs...at least flat anyway.....and be able to jump high and fast. Bench or not, he is in the NBA.

[Birdbrain]

This tread makes me sick. Everybody that wants BBD off this team has no basketball IQ.
Other teams would kill for a bench guy like that. How may big games he won for us?

Right now I am not interested in trading him, but if 'Sheed decides to return, I think it would be wiser to move him than keep him. We would have 5 players under contract, 4 of which make more money than him, thus making him valuable (I don't know how many GM's would "kill" for him however).

Big Baby has indeed won big games for us. So did Nate. And Posey. And House. And PJ. That's what good bench players do. I love BBD as much as the next guy, but he isn't untradeable.


We have bigger needs, like a quality wing, which I believe BBD could net us. I'd rather move our 5th-6th best big for a backup SG/SF.

Trading your only young healthy big is not wise.

Especially not for 10 min a game backup wing.  I doubt very seriously Ainge would do it unless there is name out there that hasn't been mentioned on this blog that's available. 

[Birdbrain]

This thread reminds me a thread about Rondo from few month ago - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=36169.0

Both make zero sense.

Nice thread... I appreciate you doing the dirty work necessary for me to keep individual posters opinions in their proper perspective.

TP.

[Spilling Green Dye]

This tread makes me sick. Everybody that wants BBD off this team has no basketball IQ.
Other teams would kill for a bench guy like that. How may big games he won for us?

Right now I am not interested in trading him, but if 'Sheed decides to return, I think it would be wiser to move him than keep him. We would have 5 players under contract, 4 of which make more money than him, thus making him valuable (I don't know how many GM's would "kill" for him however).

Big Baby has indeed won big games for us. So did Nate. And Posey. And House. And PJ. That's what good bench players do. I love BBD as much as the next guy, but he isn't untradeable.


We have bigger needs, like a quality wing, which I believe BBD could net us. I'd rather move our 5th-6th best big for a backup SG/SF.

Trading your only young healthy big is not wise.

Especially not for 10 min a game backup wing.  I doubt very seriously Ainge would do it unless there is name out there that hasn't been mentioned on this blog that's available. 

Well considering Davis should be about a 10 min a game big man off the bench, I think it could make sense in the right trade... especially if Rasheed comes back.

If Danny saw Glen as a future starting PF for this team then I would agree that it wouldn't make sense to "trade away the future".  However, I suspect that he feels Glen is more of a bench player now and in the future, which means that he is fully expendable. 

[jr_3421]

This tread makes me sick. Everybody that wants BBD off this team has no basketball IQ.
Other teams would kill for a bench guy like that. How may big games he won for us?

Right now I am not interested in trading him, but if 'Sheed decides to return, I think it would be wiser to move him than keep him. We would have 5 players under contract, 4 of which make more money than him, thus making him valuable (I don't know how many GM's would "kill" for him however).

Big Baby has indeed won big games for us. So did Nate. And Posey. And House. And PJ. That's what good bench players do. I love BBD as much as the next guy, but he isn't untradeable.


We have bigger needs, like a quality wing, which I believe BBD could net us. I'd rather move our 5th-6th best big for a backup SG/SF.

Trading your only young healthy big is not wise.

Especially not for 10 min a game backup wing.  I doubt very seriously Ainge would do it unless there is name out there that hasn't been mentioned on this blog that's available. 

Well considering Davis should be about a 10 min a game big man off the bench, I think it could make sense in the right trade... especially if Rasheed comes back.

If Danny saw Glen as a future starting PF for this team then I would agree that it wouldn't make sense to "trade away the future".  However, I suspect that he feels Glen is more of a bench player now and in the future, which means that he is fully expendable. 

I see BBD as the future of our bench.

[LilRip]

I see BBD as the future of our bench.

i think that qualifies him as tradeable, if it helps us now. I like BBD but i recognize his limitations too. Rondo is a lock for the future and Perk is a defensive beast (something that's pretty hard to come by). BBD is solid but if trading him means having a better chance of securing banner 18 and possibly 19, i'd do it. no hesitation. Our future doesn't lie in BBD, a solid role player. Our future is Rondo.



- LilRip

[Jevi]

i think that qualifies him as tradeable, if it helps us now. I like BBD but i recognize his limitations too. Rondo is a lock for the future and Perk is a defensive beast (something that's pretty hard to come by). BBD is solid but if trading him means having a better chance of securing banner 18 and possibly 19, i'd do it. no hesitation. Our future doesn't lie in BBD, a solid role player. Our future is Rondo.

- LilRip

After next season, I imagine C's will pay Baby over Perk, since both become free agents, right? Better yet, after this season's spending, we should have enough to lock up both players long term next offseason? Since after all Baby has been C's only healthy PF and he is clearly the future of this organization.

[wdleehi]

i think that qualifies him as tradeable, if it helps us now. I like BBD but i recognize his limitations too. Rondo is a lock for the future and Perk is a defensive beast (something that's pretty hard to come by). BBD is solid but if trading him means having a better chance of securing banner 18 and possibly 19, i'd do it. no hesitation. Our future doesn't lie in BBD, a solid role player. Our future is Rondo.

- LilRip

After next season, I imagine C's will pay Baby over Perk, since both become free agents, right? Better yet, after this season's spending, we should have enough to lock up both players long term next offseason? Since after all Baby has been C's only healthy PF and he is clearly the future of this organization.

Teams tend to pay starting C before backup PFs.



I like Davis and what he can do for the Celtics, but he is far from untradable.   If the Celtics can package him with Wallace's contract to get a 6th man type swing, they need to be ready to pull the trigger.  He is the 4th big man, 5th big man when Perk is healthy. 

[LilRip]

i think that qualifies him as tradeable, if it helps us now. I like BBD but i recognize his limitations too. Rondo is a lock for the future and Perk is a defensive beast (something that's pretty hard to come by). BBD is solid but if trading him means having a better chance of securing banner 18 and possibly 19, i'd do it. no hesitation. Our future doesn't lie in BBD, a solid role player. Our future is Rondo.

- LilRip

After next season, I imagine C's will pay Baby over Perk, since both become free agents, right? Better yet, after this season's spending, we should have enough to lock up both players long term next offseason? Since after all Baby has been C's only healthy PF and he is clearly the future of this organization.

he's not the future of this organization. jeez, the way some people talk about BBD, you'd think other teams are foaming at the mouth to acquire him. he's a solid role player but he'll be our 5th big come playoff time. i wouldn't mind trading him for what would be our first wing player off the bench.

EDIT: There's another thread around here somewhere that proposes trading Sheed+BBD+Lafayette+Gaffney for Prince+Maxiell. Would you guys do it?



- LilRip

[Spilling Green Dye]

i think that qualifies him as tradeable, if it helps us now. I like BBD but i recognize his limitations too. Rondo is a lock for the future and Perk is a defensive beast (something that's pretty hard to come by). BBD is solid but if trading him means having a better chance of securing banner 18 and possibly 19, i'd do it. no hesitation. Our future doesn't lie in BBD, a solid role player. Our future is Rondo.

- LilRip

After next season, I imagine C's will pay Baby over Perk, since both become free agents, right? Better yet, after this season's spending, we should have enough to lock up both players long term next offseason? Since after all Baby has been C's only healthy PF and he is clearly the future of this organization.

At first I thought your post was serious, until I realized that you were the one who started this thread lol.

I don't think Danny will be looking at the signing of Perk and Davis as a choice between the two, but rather two separate situations. 

Ironically with the Shaq signing, and with the possibility of getting Rasheed back, this thread's topic may actually be something to really discuss.  BTW, who put a "thumbs down" next to this thread icon?  I've never seen that before, and think that's kind of bias for a moderator... especially since this thread is 9+ pages long now. 

[ThaPreacher]

i think that qualifies him as tradeable, if it helps us now. I like BBD but i recognize his limitations too. Rondo is a lock for the future and Perk is a defensive beast (something that's pretty hard to come by). BBD is solid but if trading him means having a better chance of securing banner 18 and possibly 19, i'd do it. no hesitation. Our future doesn't lie in BBD, a solid role player. Our future is Rondo.

- LilRip

After next season, I imagine C's will pay Baby over Perk, since both become free agents, right? Better yet, after this season's spending, we should have enough to lock up both players long term next offseason? Since after all Baby has been C's only healthy PF and he is clearly the future of this organization.

Teams tend to pay starting C before backup PFs.



I like Davis and what he can do for the Celtics, but he is far from untradable.   If the Celtics can package him with Wallace's contract to get a 6th man type swing, they need to be ready to pull the trigger.  He is the 4th big man, 5th big man when Perk is healthy. 

The thing about Baby, is that he creates mismatches.
He is too wide for opposing PF to contain or box out.
However, he does not finish well near the basket.

Danny is not going to simply trade Baby for the sake of keeping a few computer pundits happy...lol

However, I wouldn't be surprised if BBD were packaged by February, nor would I be surprised if Perkins were either.
"Sell em while there hot....."