Are Jordan, Magic comments actually also a diss to the Celtics top three?

[nickagneta]

Nick you are saying like Danny had all of this planned. In actually he had little to do with these trades other than hoping KG would sign an extension. Pierce heavily recruited these guys to come to the Celtics. He also pretty much told Danny how to do his job by initiating the trades.

Once Ray Allen was traded to us he tried to recruit KG to come. And the KG trade was imo a fix with our good old friend Mchale helping us out. (he could of got a better trade with another team)

Even KG signing an extention at a lower salary rate is due to fact he wants to play with Allen and Pierce and not because he wanted to retire a Celtic in the beginning.

I don't know where or how you manufactured this fairy tale, but it just is not true. This tale of things is about as far from being the truth as you can possibly get.

[guava_wrench]

Those guys are idiots. Pierce was underrated and was probably top three sf's when they got KG and Ray Allen. KG top 5 PF and Ray Allen definitely top 10 shooting guard at the time of the trade.

These three guys were not mere all stars and still considered top players when the trade happened

Didn't they say KG was a top 10 player? Isn't that better than top 5 PF? And top 10 SG is definitely not in the top 10 players, probably not in top 20.

[guava_wrench]

Those guys are idiots. Pierce was underrated and was probably top three sf's when they got KG and Ray Allen. KG top 5 PF and Ray Allen definitely top 10 shooting guard at the time of the trade.

These three guys were not mere all stars and still considered top players when the trade happened

Didn't they say KG was a top 10 player? Isn't that better than top 5 PF? And top 10 SG is definitely not in the top 10 players, probably not in top 20.

[rondo987]

Magic had Kareem and Worty.

Bird had Mchale and Parish

And Jordan had Pippen...

Each of these players needed some sort of help to win a championship, So I don't think our current big 3 can be knocked for this for this reason and the fact that Paul Pierce and Ray Allen were not considered First team NBA players back then, and still are not. Lebron and Wade are 2 of the top 4 players in the NBA, and they made the decision to join forces. Its definately not the same.

[Tr1boy]

You are honestly and objectively telling me that Mchale didn't give us a gift of a trade?? You don't think KG may have asked to look into having him traded to the Celts? Or Danny asking his old teammate for a favour??

KG a few years ago was worth multiple 1st round picks and a player better than Al Jefferson. Look at the trade and see how many throw in players the Celts had to include so that the deal worked. We didn't even have the most talented group or else we would have not been one of the worst teams in the league.

The trades could not have happened unless the big three had some part into the planning of the trade to occur

[guava_wrench]

I still don't think Jordan, Magic nor Bird would have asked any other big name star to join their team even if their teams didn't ever make it to the finals.

They were each elite players were you can surround them with 4 other duds and they can simply up their games by their leadership or play on the court that would electrify the crowd and pump energy into the team.

Bird and Magic were not surrounded by just 4 other dudes. They both played with other top 50 all time players.

I definitely see Jordan demanding management to bring in more players. Bird and Magic won early with other hall of famers so the point is moot.

Barkley is a better example of an all time great who played out the prime of his career without a top teammate.

[Tr1boy]

Magic had Kareem and Worty.

Bird had Mchale and Parish

And Jordan had Pippen...

Each of these players needed some sort of help to win a championship, So I don't think our current big 3 can be knocked for this for this reason and the fact that Paul Pierce and Ray Allen were not considered First team NBA players back then, and still are not. Lebron and Wade are 2 of the top 4 players in the NBA, and they made the decision to join forces. Its definately not the same.

Jordan helped Pippen from being a good player to a great player. Mchale and Parrish were not considered shoe in all stars when they first started with the celtics team. Magic and Worthy were homegrown players.

Its not the same.

[guava_wrench]

You are honestly and objectively telling me that Mchale didn't give us a gift of a trade?? You don't think KG may have asked to look into having him traded to the Celts? Or Danny asking his old teammate for a favour??

KG a few years ago was worth multiple 1st round picks and a player better than Al Jefferson. Look at the trade and see how many throw in players the Celts had to include so that the deal worked. We didn't even have the most talented group or else we would have not been one of the worst teams in the league.

The trades could not have happened unless the big three had some part into the planning of the trade to occur

You seem to have a very short memory. It was common knowledge that KG did not want to come to Boston until Ainge did the Ray Allen trade. There is also no evidence that Ray had any knowledge of the trade ahead of time.

Is there really any room for speculation on this?

[OmarSekou]

The point of basketball is to win. If Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson thought there was a legitimate chance to get Larry Bird they would have potentially murdered their owner for not making the deal. Michael tried to play GM when he was on the Bulls all the time. HBO ran a documentary earlier this year where Magic basically said many of the greatest moments in his basketball career were playing with Bird. They just never had the opportunity for a trade.

The point is, the media is often dumb. Lebron took the best chance at winning and the best living situation. Same with Wade and Bosh. Same with KG, Ray and Pierce. Trying to create the best TEAM to win and build the greatest TEAM success is being a true competitor. Avoiding that challenge to attempt individual glory is selfish and soft.

[guava_wrench]

Magic had Kareem and Worty.

Bird had Mchale and Parish

And Jordan had Pippen...

Each of these players needed some sort of help to win a championship, So I don't think our current big 3 can be knocked for this for this reason and the fact that Paul Pierce and Ray Allen were not considered First team NBA players back then, and still are not. Lebron and Wade are 2 of the top 4 players in the NBA, and they made the decision to join forces. Its definately not the same.

Jordan helped Pippen from being a good player to a great player. Mchale and Parrish were not considered shoe in all stars when they first started with the celtics team. Magic and Worthy were homegrown players.

Its not the same.

No one is saying it is the same. The point is that Bird, Magic, and Jordan needed all time greats as teammates to win. They didn't win with Mo Williams as their second best player.

[nickagneta]

You are honestly and objectively telling me that Mchale didn't give us a gift of a trade?? You don't think KG may have asked to look into having him traded to the Celts? Or Danny asking his old teammate for a favour??

KG a few years ago was worth multiple 1st round picks and a player better than Al Jefferson. Look at the trade and see how many throw in players the Celts had to include so that the deal worked. We didn't even have the most talented group or else we would have not been one of the worst teams in the league.

The trades could not have happened unless the big three had some part into the planning of the trade to occur

You seem to have a very short memory. It was common knowledge that KG did not want to come to Boston until Ainge did the Ray Allen trade. There is also no evidence that Ray had any knowledge of the trade ahead of time.

Is there really any room for speculation on this?

No guava, there really isn't any room for speculation. What you and I are stating is known fact and what triboy is saying is a complete and utter fairy tale.

[Tr1boy]

You are honestly and objectively telling me that Mchale didn't give us a gift of a trade?? You don't think KG may have asked to look into having him traded to the Celts? Or Danny asking his old teammate for a favour??

KG a few years ago was worth multiple 1st round picks and a player better than Al Jefferson. Look at the trade and see how many throw in players the Celts had to include so that the deal worked. We didn't even have the most talented group or else we would have not been one of the worst teams in the league.

The trades could not have happened unless the big three had some part into the planning of the trade to occur

You seem to have a very short memory. It was common knowledge that KG did not want to come to Boston until Ainge did the Ray Allen trade. There is also no evidence that Ray had any knowledge of the trade ahead of time.

Is there really any room for speculation on this?

You just proved my argument. Think about it

[Andy Jick]

I still don't think Jordan, Magic nor Bird would have asked any other big name star to join their team even if their teams didn't ever make it to the finals.

They were each elite players were you can surround them with 4 other duds and they can simply up their games by their leadership or play on the court that would electrify the crowd and pump energy into the team.

Bird and Magic were not surrounded by just 4 other dudes. They both played with other top 50 all time players.

I definitely see Jordan demanding management to bring in more players. Bird and Magic won early with other hall of famers so the point is moot.

Barkley is a better example of an all time great who played out the prime of his career without a top teammate.

Huh?  Olajuwon & Drexler in Houston...  Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle & Tom Chambers in Phoenix.  Sorry, but this comment doesn't hold water. 

[guava_wrench]

The point of basketball is to win. If Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson thought there was a legitimate chance to get Larry Bird they would have potentially murdered their owner for not making the deal. Michael tried to play GM when he was on the Bulls all the time. HBO ran a documentary earlier this year where Magic basically said many of the greatest moments in his basketball career were playing with Bird. They just never had the opportunity.

The point is, the media are often dumb. Lebron took the best chance at winning and the best living situation. Same with Wade and Bosh. Same with KG, Ray and Pierce. Trying to create the best TEAM to win and build the greatest TEAM success is being a true competitor. Avoiding that challenge to attempt individual glory is selfish and soft.

I remember Jordan being very vocal about personnel moves, but worried my memory was deceiving me. Jordan is a bit full of himself, and rightfully so. It is hard to imagine Jordan staying in Chicago if they hadn't been able to appease his personnel demands.

[Tr1boy]

My point from the topic is that yes you need a good team to win. You can't be Jordan with rest duds and win it all. (well maybe he could still)

But the way you get your team together is the point here. If there is one really good team that wins it all but 3 other teams that beat each other up but can't beat that really good team , is it really considered a great victory when winning it all having a team consisting of the best player from each of those three teams?