Are Jordan, Magic comments actually also a diss to the Celtics top three?

[Tr1boy]

No matter which you cut it Jordan and Magic's comments about never wanting to be teammates to win it all is not only knock on the new miami top three but also ours (Pierce, KG and Ray Allen).

The underlying message i get is that its sort of a easy way out or wussy way to try to win the Championship.

I don't feel dissed because part of me thinks its true. How fair is it to have a team with three potential Hall of Famers vs rest of the league who probably have only one or two all star players.

If Miami wins it all next year it won't be a suprise to many. If the Celtics win next year it won't be a shock to anybody either.

I feel what is the root of the problem in the nba these days is that sportsmanlike conduct is at its far high. It has its good but also its bad. Back in the Bird, Jordan, Magic days there was little hugging other players on the other team, smiling to other players in the winning team when losing etc. They cared about winning and wanting to be the best players in the league. (greedy to be the best) These days i feel some players are joking around and can't care less to win as long as they got their mansion and cars.



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[LB3533]

My bro was telling me that most of these comments by the former great NBA players (Barkley, Jordan, Magic, Bird) are all being taken somewhat out of context.

None of them are saying Lebron is wrong or that teaming up into a superpower team is wrong.

They are just saying they wouldn't have done the same thing....because well they were winning chips.

If they weren't winning and they had a chance to team up...they would have changed their tune too.

And the same goes for our current Big 3...none of them 3 were winning by themselves.

Kobe was going to jet LA too if they didn't land Gasol.

[nickagneta]

Well our three were traded together and they really had no say in the matter. The Miami trio had a choice whether to join forces with other superstars to win and I believe that is what Jordan et al are being critical over.

[Tr1boy]

Nick our big three didn't have a choice but did have a choice. PP had to do some heavy marketing for each of them to leave their team to come to us. If either refused to be traded to us Danny would have not traded for them.

It was a setup not quite like Miami's but its like not bringing in three strangers together. Before coming into the celts team the big three were pretty good friends

[Tr1boy]

I still don't think Jordan, Magic nor Bird would have asked any other big name star to join their team even if their teams didn't ever make it to the finals.

They were each elite players were you can surround them with 4 other duds and they can simply up their games by their leadership or play on the court that would electrify the crowd and pump energy into the team.

[EmilioBonilla]

Both Jordan and Magic had HOFamers on their team too. Think back Magic had James Worthy and Kareem Abdul Jabbar so he cannot complain. Jordan had Pippen and dare i say Rodman, but MJ is considered to be the best basketball player to ever live so he doesnt "need" the other hall of famers. But i do understand their points in inviting other players to play lol sorry im being a lil contradictive haha

[Andy Jick]

I don't see how our "current three" have anything to do with Jordan or Magic's comments...

Ray and KG were traded here...  Bosh and LeBron signed as FA's.  No comparison.  Magic and MJ aren't stupid enough to make a comment and then be told what I just typed - they'd come across as complete jack-bleeps...

[nickagneta]

Nick our big three didn't have a choice but did have a choice. PP had to do some heavy marketing for each of them to leave their team to come to us. If either refused to be traded to us Danny would have not traded for them.

It was a setup not quite like Miami's but its like not bringing in three strangers together. Before coming into the celts team the big three were pretty good friends

Doesn't matter if they were friends, and I think they were more like acquaintances, Ray had no choice but to come to Boston. He wasn't asked if he would go or not. He didn't have a no trade clause. He was traded and he came here that simple.

As for KG, KG threatened to not sign an extension if he was traded to Boston originally, before the Ray Allen trade. If he was traded then he would have had to have gone. It was BOSTON that demanded as a requisite of the trade that a long term extension be completed before the trade could be consummated. If Boston wanted to they could have still done the trade but then risked losing KG after one year.

KG and Ray had absolutely no say whatsoever in whether they could or could not have been traded to Boston. Once traded they had to come. KG could have caused Boston to not do the trade by refusing to sign an extension before being traded, but even if he did, Boston still could have agreed to the trade and then tried to sign him to that extension during the season if they wanted to.

The situations are completely different. The Big Three had almost no say whatsoever in being pushed together. The Miami trio conspired and worked diligently and CHOSE to be together.

[greg_kite]

I don't think it's a diss because none of the C's big three were really at that level in the first place.  KG was closest, but even at his peak wasn't at the level of Jordan, Bird, Magic or even Lebron.  With those guys (you could include Dr J too) it's also about their image and overall impact on the league.  As great as KG was he wasn't the "next" guy to carry the league.

What I don't get is why Wade is considered to be at that level.  Wade is good but you can't mention his name with the greatest ever, though it's possible he could.  Bosh isn't even close to that level and probably never will be.

[kg is king]

No they are not. The reason is simple. At 2008, the Celtics big three did not consist of two of the top 3 players in the game.

[Andy Jick]

What about when Larry, Magic and MJ played together on the Olympic Team?  Sounds like hypocrisy to me...

[Mike-Dub]

Nick our big three didn't have a choice but did have a choice. PP had to do some heavy marketing for each of them to leave their team to come to us. If either refused to be traded to us Danny would have not traded for them.

It was a setup not quite like Miami's but its like not bringing in three strangers together. Before coming into the celts team the big three were pretty good friends

Doesn't matter if they were friends, and I think they were more like acquaintances, Ray had no choice but to come to Boston. He wasn't asked if he would go or not. He didn't have a no trade clause. He was traded and he came here that simple.

As for KG, KG threatened to not sign an extension if he was traded to Boston originally, before the Ray Allen trade. If he was traded then he would have had to have gone. It was BOSTON that demanded as a requisite of the trade that a long term extension be completed before the trade could be consummated. If Boston wanted to they could have still done the trade but then risked losing KG after one year.

KG and Ray had absolutely no say whatsoever in whether they could or could not have been traded to Boston. Once traded they had to come. KG could have caused Boston to not do the trade by refusing to sign an extension before being traded, but even if he did, Boston still could have agreed to the trade and then tried to sign him to that extension during the season if they wanted to.

The situations are completely different. The Big Three had almost no say whatsoever in being pushed together. The Miami trio conspired and worked diligently and CHOSE to be together.

Well our three were traded together and they really had no say in the matter. The Miami trio had a choice whether to join forces with other superstars to win and I believe that is what Jordan et al are being critical over.

Nick you are completely right.  Jordan, Magic, and etc. comments are not dissing the Celtics at all.  Ray and Kevin had no choice to join the Celtics.  When they got acclimated with each other and realized the bigger picture they came together not only as a team, but as a family.

[manl_lui]

no, i was watching ESPN the other day, and they actually said or something along the line: "Boston Big three is another story, its not like they were free agents and called each other and decided to play with each other...also at that time they weren't even top 10 players: ie Ray Allen, KG was probably top 10 in 2008, and Pierce should be top 15"...

heres the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt_3Zt9rsLM

[Tr1boy]

Nick you are saying like Danny had all of this planned. In actually he had little to do with these trades other than hoping KG would sign an extension. Pierce heavily recruited these guys to come to the Celtics. He also pretty much told Danny how to do his job by initiating the trades.

Once Ray Allen was traded to us he tried to recruit KG to come. And the KG trade was imo a fix with our good old friend Mchale helping us out. (he could of got a better trade with another team)

Even KG signing an extention at a lower salary rate is due to fact he wants to play with Allen and Pierce and not because he wanted to retire a Celtic in the beginning.

[Tr1boy]

Those guys are idiots. Pierce was underrated and was probably top three sf's when they got KG and Ray Allen. KG top 5 PF and Ray Allen definitely top 10 shooting guard at the time of the trade.

These three guys were not mere all stars and still considered top players when the trade happened