Re-signing Marquis Daniels: Pros and Cons (merged)

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My memory of Marquis is that he was playing really well for us when TA was hurt earlier this year...then, if my memory serves me, Marquis got that wrist injury in late december or early Jan? He didn't get back to us until like March, and by then we had a resurgent TA who was filling both Ray and Pierces' relief roles.

I thought Marquis Daniels played Really Well for us..not long range from 3, but a good slasher and defender.

If Danny does bring him back, I think Marquis could help us. With no TA, Marquis could easily fill his role, and add 2-3 inches in height as well.

As the free agents are being picked up, the better players for our team may be right under our noses....

What you fail to mention, Q got his job back unfairly. Doc has this stupid policy about not losing job due to an injury. Well anyways, Doc gave him ample opportunity for nearly 2months after his return. But he simply wasn't producing. In fact his presence negatively affected the team. Doc made the change couple weeks prior to the start of playoffs, and definitively week later.

Whether they should bring him or not, that is Ainge's job. We'll ridicule him either way.

[GreenFaith1819]

Found this youtube clip of Marquis..I think it gives a pretty good summary of the man. It was while he played for the Pacers, against us, but less than 2 yrs ago.

Marquis is still rather young(29), as well. Here's the youtube clip of him against us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNUVaPP-vQU

Also check out the ESPN game logs of him..he had pretty solid bench numbers for us..nice scoring...low turnovers...good FG%..man was playing roughly 21 min a game for us...then that injury.

Plus, from my last post, I made a mistake. He evidently got injured in early November, and didn't come back until Mid-Jan.

Again..he looks like a pretty solid player. I don't know why he seemingly disappeared as the season and playoffs rolled around. TA took some minutes from him?

TA's gone now..Marquis may be the one to take his place.

[GreenFaith1819]

My memory of Marquis is that he was playing really well for us when TA was hurt earlier this year...then, if my memory serves me, Marquis got that wrist injury in late december or early Jan? He didn't get back to us until like March, and by then we had a resurgent TA who was filling both Ray and Pierces' relief roles.

I thought Marquis Daniels played Really Well for us..not long range from 3, but a good slasher and defender.

If Danny does bring him back, I think Marquis could help us. With no TA, Marquis could easily fill his role, and add 2-3 inches in height as well.

As the free agents are being picked up, the better players for our team may be right under our noses....

What you fail to mention, Q got his job back unfairly. Doc has this stupid policy about not losing job due to an injury. Well anyways, Doc gave him ample opportunity for nearly 2months after his return. But he simply wasn't producing. In fact his presence negatively affected the team. Doc made the change couple weeks prior to the start of playoffs, and definitively week later.

Whether they should bring him or not, that is Ainge's job. We'll ridicule him either way.

Eh?

Did you check out the ESPN Game Logs? Wasn't producing? I cannot argue about whether he was negatively affecting the team..I do not know this. Is there any proof to what you said?

How was his presence negatively affecting the team? I did not see it. Maybe you can point something out I missed.

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Eh?

Did you check out the ESPN Game Logs? Wasn't producing? I cannot argue about whether he was negatively affecting the team..I do not know this. Is there any proof to what you said?

How was his presence negatively affecting the team? I did not see it. Maybe you can point something out I missed.

But Box-Scores are not indicative of a players impact. Otherwise Tony would've never played. Tony made game changing players. Plays that shifts momentum to the Celtics. And it was mostly defensively. Where he and Rondo wreaked havoc. Q on the other hand never made his presence felt. Just a very passive player. AKA Zero Impact.

[GreenFaith1819]

Eh?

Did you check out the ESPN Game Logs? Wasn't producing? I cannot argue about whether he was negatively affecting the team..I do not know this. Is there any proof to what you said?

How was his presence negatively affecting the team? I did not see it. Maybe you can point something out I missed.

But Box-Scores are not indicative of a players impact. Otherwise Tony would've never played. Tony made game changing players. Plays that shifts momentum to the Celtics. And it was mostly defensively. Where he and Rondo wreaked havoc. Q on the other hand never made his presence felt. Just a very passive player. AKA Zero Impact.

I will agree that TA was a better defender, and he and Rondo did in fact cause havoc defensively.

I can't agree with you that Marquis had Zero Impact, though. He may not have impacted the Defensive end, and I can guess that this is why TA got more PT.

Right now - we may in fact need that offensive punch from Marquis.

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Eh?

Did you check out the ESPN Game Logs? Wasn't producing? I cannot argue about whether he was negatively affecting the team..I do not know this. Is there any proof to what you said?

How was his presence negatively affecting the team? I did not see it. Maybe you can point something out I missed.

But Box-Scores are not indicative of a players impact. Otherwise Tony would've never played. Tony made game changing players. Plays that shifts momentum to the Celtics. And it was mostly defensively. Where he and Rondo wreaked havoc. Q on the other hand never made his presence felt. Just a very passive player. AKA Zero Impact.

I kind of agree with this.

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My memory of Marquis is that he was playing really well for us when TA was hurt earlier this year...then, if my memory serves me, Marquis got that wrist injury in late december or early Jan? He didn't get back to us until like March, and by then we had a resurgent TA who was filling both Ray and Pierces' relief roles.

I thought Marquis Daniels played Really Well for us..not long range from 3, but a good slasher and defender.

If Danny does bring him back, I think Marquis could help us. With no TA, Marquis could easily fill his role, and add 2-3 inches in height as well.

What you fail to mention, Q got his job back unfairly. Doc has this stupid policy about not losing job due to an injury. Well anyways, Doc gave him ample opportunity for nearly 2months after his return. But he simply wasn't producing. In fact his presence negatively affected the team. Doc made the change couple weeks prior to the start of playoffs, and definitively week later.

Eh?

Did you check out the ESPN Game Logs? Wasn't producing? I cannot argue about whether he was negatively affecting the team..I do not know this. Is there any proof to what you said?

How was his presence negatively affecting the team? I did not see it. Maybe you can point something out I missed.

Great idea.  Checking the game logs, Quisy did get around 20 minutes pre-injury, scoring in double figures only once, rarely got to the foul line, and had low rebound and assist numbers (even per-36).  It would appear that he played okay, that he "fit in" but also didn't stand out, either in a positive way or a negative way (low TO numbers, and zero technicals all year).

Post injury, he came back in January, playing consistent 20+ minutes while Paul was hurting, continuing to get consistent time in January and February, essentially until Paul came back after the allstar break.  He posted more double-figure scoring nights, but was not a consistent contributor in that regard (4 points in 30 minutes against Cavs on 2/25 in a blowout loss).  Still low rebound, assist, and steal numbers, but low TO numbers as well.

So this is what happened:  Quisy is an okay all-around player that won't hurt a team, but doesn't do anything well enough to be an impact.  He eventually was beat out by TA, who provided impact-level defense. 

IMO, he's not 3rd wing material, since he doesn't produce enough to play heavy bench minutes (20+) but could be an effective 4th wing playing 12 minutes.  Given that he's probably better than whateve is available as a minimum signing, I'd offer him the $2.4 million for next year, since I'd go all-in to win in the next two years, and that means paying the 4th wing $2.4 million, but we still need a 3rd wing/6th man that can be an impact player off the bench. 

[Jon]

I wonder how he would do if he wasn't asked to be the PG? 



I wouldn't have an issue with another one year contract.

I do think this was in issue.  Doc would make this big deal in the media about how he wanted Marquis to be playmaker, but then wouldn't let him bring the ball up half the time. 

I wonder if some of the passivity that Marquis displayed was him trying to be less of a scorer and more of a facilitator. 

I think with Nate here, he could be an interesting option.  He could worry less about passing if we wanted him to or we could let him handle the ball and let Nate do a lot of scoring. 

[CoachBo]

My memory of Marquis is that he was playing really well for us when TA was hurt earlier this year...then, if my memory serves me, Marquis got that wrist injury in late december or early Jan? He didn't get back to us until like March, and by then we had a resurgent TA who was filling both Ray and Pierces' relief roles.

I thought Marquis Daniels played Really Well for us..not long range from 3, but a good slasher and defender.

If Danny does bring him back, I think Marquis could help us. With no TA, Marquis could easily fill his role, and add 2-3 inches in height as well.

As the free agents are being picked up, the better players for our team may be right under our noses....

What you fail to mention, Q got his job back unfairly. Doc has this stupid policy about not losing job due to an injury. Well anyways, Doc gave him ample opportunity for nearly 2months after his return. But he simply wasn't producing. In fact his presence negatively affected the team. Doc made the change couple weeks prior to the start of playoffs, and definitively week later.

Whether they should bring him or not, that is Ainge's job. We'll ridicule him either way.

Uh, care to share with us what coach - at any level of basketball - takes jobs away because of any injury?

I never have. And I never will.

[Jon]

And I think it has to be asked to anyone who doesn't particularly love Marquis: what would be the problem of bringing him back?

It was one thing to sit on your high horse and sneer at the idea of bringing back Marquis when we were all deluding ourselves into thinking that we were going to get Mike Miller or J.J. Reddick.  However, at this point, it looks likes some of the plan B and C options like Butler and Barnes may not happen.  And even if we sign Marquis, it doesn't mean that if one of those guys wants to come here for the minimum they can't. 

And it also doesn't mean that we still can't trade Sheed's contract for a Josh Howard type. 

In fact, it's possible that if we brought back Daniels, we could still get Butler and Howard and that Daniels might end up being the 5th wing, which would be awesome depth for us. 

But the longer we wait, the greater chance that we have to rely on some D-League player to be a major contributor on this team. 

[Greenbean]

Ok i'm from boston, but I live in cali now so I rarely get to see regular season games. I watched every minute of the playoffs however and I never once saw him have any kind of impact on the game what-so-ever. As far as I can tell he has no shot, cannot drive, is undersized, injury prone, low basketball iq(a la headbutting a 7-footer in the chest and knocking yourself out) I just dont get it. He seemed to have some hustle on the defensive end, but like wooden says "Dont mistake activity for achievement" I've never seen any of his play from other teams.. Was he good at one point and is just struggling with low minutes? Is he just one of those "could have potential" type of guys?

Someone please explain to me why we wouldnt be better off taking a shot at a cheap, younger guy who also has some potential?

To answer your question he was pretty good early for us. Then he got injured. He came back and Tony had taken his minutes. He never really got them back.

[Evantime34]

Here's a good article by Chris Forsberg about Marquis. I think he has joined those of us in the resign this man boat.

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=forsberg_chris&id=5395389

[slamtheking]

My memory of Marquis is that he was playing really well for us when TA was hurt earlier this year...then, if my memory serves me, Marquis got that wrist injury in late december or early Jan? He didn't get back to us until like March, and by then we had a resurgent TA who was filling both Ray and Pierces' relief roles.

I thought Marquis Daniels played Really Well for us..not long range from 3, but a good slasher and defender.

If Danny does bring him back, I think Marquis could help us. With no TA, Marquis could easily fill his role, and add 2-3 inches in height as well.

As the free agents are being picked up, the better players for our team may be right under our noses....

What you fail to mention, Q got his job back unfairly. Doc has this stupid policy about not losing job due to an injury. Well anyways, Doc gave him ample opportunity for nearly 2months after his return. But he simply wasn't producing. In fact his presence negatively affected the team. Doc made the change couple weeks prior to the start of playoffs, and definitively week later.

Whether they should bring him or not, that is Ainge's job. We'll ridicule him either way.

Uh, care to share with us what coach - at any level of basketball - takes jobs away because of any injury?

I never have. And I never will.

not that it's basketball but the best example is Lou Gehrig taking Wally Pipp's job.

but along those lines, we'll see how Doc handles Perk's return this year.  If JO is playing well, I'd really like Doc to think long and hard about screwing with the lineup at that point and not just putting Perk in the starting lineup just because he used to start before the injury.

[Mr October]

I'm down with resigning Daniels. I really enjoyed his play before his injury. If he can regain that particular form he could be an effective 3rd wing.

Otherwise he's still a very solid 4th wing or insurance wing.

[the_Bird]

It's not like he didn't see the court again after his injury.  Look at his game log:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3764/gamelog;_ylt=Aumj0BgnxVwH3rNAA1ya0WXqPKB4

He came back in early February.  The most minutes per game he averaged all season was February.  That was probably his best month all season, truth be told; he starting losing playing time as March rolled around, as his play started tailing off (and Tony's play started to improve).

But, Quis was fine, immediately post-injury.  He went into a slump (it happens to everyone), and Tony's good play didn't really leave much of a chance for him to work his way out of it.