Pistons WANT to move Tayshaun Prince or Rip Hamilton

[wdleehi]

The best deal the Celtics could make for Prince is Wallace, Gaffney, Lafayette and Bradley (when they can trade him in a package deal).


I would be ok with that deal if the Celtics sign Nate and someone like Butler.

Yup, if the PIstons want to do a salary dump, the C's can trade the buyout Wallace contract, and the non guaranteed Gaffney, Lafayette deals with a future 1st rounder and net Prince.

The pistons could save a lot of dough and pick up a first rounder for letting Prince go a year early.

And the Celtics only take on a one year commitment to Prince.

[Jon]

The question is how desperate Detroit is to dump money.

If they're not desperate, they're far better off waiting to trade Prince himself as an expiring deal. 

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

It has been known that Joe Dumars wants to be active this summer via Trades and Free Agency, particularly in trading Tayshaun Prince or Rip Hamilton (maybe both).  Guess they're rebuilding around Stuckey, Bynum, Villanueva, Greg Monroe.
Is there any way the Celts could get either Tayshaun or Rip??  Would DA consider this??  Could the Celts put together a package using Rasheed's contract (allowing Sheed to officially retire as a Piston) to get Tayshaun or Rip w/ another needed piece (a back-up big), like a Maxiell, Wilcox, or how about this Jonas Jerebko kid??  CAN, and WOULD, the C's get PRINCE or RIP??

Sheed's deal can't land either Price or Rip by itself unless you add Perk or a sign-n-trade with Nate to the deal.  Ainge probably could get Villaneuva.

Mike

I want nothing to do with Charlie Villaneuva. He's so hit/miss it's scary. Even when he's on he's making tough shots and doesn't play particularly good defense at all.

I'd much rather Prince over Rip, so let's let Sheed retire as a Piston (great call!) and S&T Nate over to Detroit to make the #'s work. Then the Pistons can waive Nate if they'd like so we can bring him back.

If they don't waive Nate then bring me back my Eddie House!

[Mr October]

The question is how desperate Detroit is to dump money.

If they're not desperate, they're far better off waiting to trade Prince himself as an expiring deal. 

However, expiring deals are worth far far less that they were 2 years ago or even 1 year ago.

But yeah I agree that we have no idea if Detroit just wants to dump payroll, or if they think they can squeeze gold from either of those 2 declining expensive players.

[Snakehead]

Fernandez was my dream but I gotta say Prince would be amazing on this team.  Good defender and would be a nice guy to have running the floor.  Too good to be true, but we'll see.

Detroit should be dumping money.  The Charlie V and Gordon contracts were so terrible.

[Jon]

As pessimistic as I am about the deal getting done, Prince would be about as perfect a fit for the C's as one can imagine.  He has championship experience, can hit the three, and plays killer defense at 3 different positions.  If the championship goes through Miami, Orlando, and LA, he'd be absolutely phenomenal on LeBron, and also guarding slighter 4s like Lewis and Odom.  We also wouldn't have to worry if Paul or Ray got into early foul trouble. 

He'd also be a world of help while Perk's out, as we could play some Posey-like smallball lineups with him at the 4 to eat up some 4/5 minutes. 

If there's a way to get it done, we should do it.  I'd throw in a first, maybe even 2. 

[Who]

Not that large of admirer of Prince's defensive ability. I think it has fallen off dramatically over the past couple of seasons.

Still a good defender but no longer a standout defender.

[Who]

He'd also be a world of help while Perk's out, as we could play some Posey-like smallball lineups with him at the 4 to eat up some 4/5 minutes. 

Detroit have played very poorly with Prince at the four slot.

Prince is a defensive liability + a massive liability on the backboards at that position. He doesn't add enough offensively (too passive) to make up for that loss.

[Jon]

Not that large of admirer of Prince's defensive ability. I think it has fallen off dramatically over the past couple of seasons.

Still a good defender but no longer a standout defender.

Still dramatically better than anything we'd likely get off the free agent market or anywhere else.  

And given our financial constraints, this may be the only way to get an elite backup at the 2/3.  

And as far as the 4 spot, Posey wasn't assertive on the offensive end, nor was he a stellar rebounder and playing him at the 4 worked out fine in spurts. 

And I'm certainly not suggesting he start at the 4.  I'm talking about doing it during the regular season for 5-10 mpg when Perk's out or against teams that are playing perimeter-oriented players at the 4 (like Orlando with Lewis or LA when Odom's at the 4). 

[Kane3387]

Not that large of admirer of Prince's defensive ability. I think it has fallen off dramatically over the past couple of seasons.

Still a good defender but no longer a standout defender.

Still dramatically better than anything we'd likely get off the free agent market or anywhere else.  

And given our financial constraints, this may be the only way to get an elite backup at the 2/3.  

And as far as the 4 spot, Posey wasn't assertive on the offensive end, nor was he a stellar rebounder and playing him at the 4 worked out fine in spurts. 

And I'm certainly not suggesting he start at the 4.  I'm talking about doing it during the regular season for 5-10 mpg when Perk's out or against teams that are playing perimeter-oriented players at the 4 (like Orlando with Lewis or LA when Odom's at the 4). 

Prince is solid for what we have to offer. Remember we need a back up SF not just a wing. Pierce needs a back up. Our team is very similar to the 2008-09 team right now.

[Jon]

Only other downfall of Prince is that he makes 11 million, so a trade of Rasheed won't do it alone.  Neither will adding the ever popular side dish of Gaffney and Lafayette.  Baby or Perk would have to be included to make the money work. 

While I'm not sold on that idea entirely, to play Devil's Advocate to those potentially appalled by this idea, there are some reasons to make such a deal.

1) Perk and BBD are both free agents after this season.  Will we pay both to stay?  If not, why not get compensated now. 

2) Will it be easier to get value at the 5 spot at the minimum than at the 3?  Meaning, if we lose one of those two, we're still left with a big man rotation of KG, JO, and Baby/Perk.  All we'd have to do is add one minimum guy (Kurt Thomas, Theo Ratliff, etc.) and we'd have our rotation. 

3) Is it possible Perk never regains his form, at least not this season?  If that's the case, why note get an elite wing out of it? 

Still not entirely sold, but not entirely unsold either. 

[Mr October]

Only other downfall of Prince is that he makes 11 million, so a trade of Rasheed won't do it alone.  Neither will adding the ever popular side dish of Gaffney and Lafayette.  Baby or Perk would have to be included to make the money work. 

While I'm not sold on that idea entirely, to play Devil's Advocate to those potentially appalled by this idea, there are some reasons to make such a deal.

1) Perk and BBD are both free agents after this season.  Will we pay both to stay?  If not, why not get compensated now. 

2) Will it be easier to get value at the 5 spot at the minimum than at the 3?  Meaning, if we lose one of those two, we're still left with a big man rotation of KG, JO, and Baby/Perk.  All we'd have to do is add one minimum guy (Kurt Thomas, Theo Ratliff, etc.) and we'd have our rotation. 

3) Is it possible Perk never regains his form, at least not this season?  If that's the case, why note get an elite wing out of it? 

Still not entirely sold, but not entirely unsold either. 

Don't forget Rasheed's trade kicker.

[colincb]

While we're posting shockers:

NY wants to move Eddie Curry!!!

[BostonArizona]

He'd also be a world of help while Perk's out, as we could play some Posey-like smallball lineups with him at the 4 to eat up some 4/5 minutes. 

Detroit have played very poorly with Prince at the four slot.

Prince is a defensive liability + a massive liability on the backboards at that position. He doesn't add enough offensively (too passive) to make up for that loss.

Not true. Maybe a small liability on the boards, but otherwise his offensive production is higher, and his opponent's offensive production is much lower.
PER is overall almost 10 points higher from the PF position.

Check the stats.
http://www.82games.com/0910/09DET6.HTM#bypos

[PosImpos]

Getting Tayshaun would be incredible, though I don't know how it's possible.

Suggesting that Tayshaun is a defensive liability is a joke.