Can Josh Howard be S&T'd from WAS if his rights have been renounced?

[Mr October]

I don't see much else going in either direction that makes much sense. it would likely just be a straight up deal -- howard for sheed's deal and incentives.

Yeah if something goes down, I imagine it will be a straight up deal. I feel like something should be coming this week.

The ease in which they let Tony leave town is awfully suspicious. With Paul and Ray's reduced salaries the Celtics clearly have more cash to spend this year.

[Cman]

I don't see much else going in either direction that makes much sense. it would likely just be a straight up deal -- howard for sheed's deal and incentives.

Yeah if something goes down, I imagine it will be a straight up deal. I feel like something should be coming this week.

The ease in which they let Tony leave town is awfully suspicious. With Paul and Ray's reduced salaries the Celtics clearly have more cash to spend this year.

Well put.  I think you're right we'll hear something soon.

[Mr October]

I don't see much else going in either direction that makes much sense. it would likely just be a straight up deal -- howard for sheed's deal and incentives.

Yeah if something goes down, I imagine it will be a straight up deal. I feel like something should be coming this week.

The ease in which they let Tony leave town is awfully suspicious. With Paul and Ray's reduced salaries the Celtics clearly have more cash to spend this year.

Well put.  I think you're right we'll hear something soon.

Possibly related is that Gaffney and Lafayette's deals can't be used until this Tuesday at the earliest.

[Evantime34]

I don't see much else going in either direction that makes much sense. it would likely just be a straight up deal -- howard for sheed's deal and incentives.

Yeah if something goes down, I imagine it will be a straight up deal. I feel like something should be coming this week.

The ease in which they let Tony leave town is awfully suspicious. With Paul and Ray's reduced salaries the Celtics clearly have more cash to spend this year.

I think it could be suspicious or it could be that Danny is in love with Avery Bradley and feels that he'll do more than TA immediately.

The information that the two non guaranteed contracts can't be moved until Tuesday is curious. Do you think Danny will bring someone in the $10-12 MM range for those guys?

[ssspence]

OK, I have it.  Trade Sheed, Cash, and a second round pick for Howard (2 years, 10 million) and Oberto (1 year, 2.5 million).

Then, a month after Bradley's contract being signed, trade him, along with Laffayette and Gaffney for Rudy Fernandez.  

Sign a vet minimum backup PG like say, Eddie House!

And here we have it (with depth filled in by more vet minimum guys and rookies):

Rondo, House
Ray, Rudy
Pierce, Howard
KG, Davis
Perk, JO, Oberto

Nice, Chris. A couple of points:

1) I like the cheap Oberto addition -- nice touch;

2) I think you're going to have to add years or dollars for Howard. Travis Outlaw just got 35mil (for crying out loud... pretty nuts);

3) The combo of Bradley and those guys make too much $$$, but more importantly, wouldn't the Cs value Bradley more than a 1st next year? The Blazers do have Bayless after all.... how about Gaffney + Lafayette + a 1st?

[Mr October]

I don't see much else going in either direction that makes much sense. it would likely just be a straight up deal -- howard for sheed's deal and incentives.

Yeah if something goes down, I imagine it will be a straight up deal. I feel like something should be coming this week.

The ease in which they let Tony leave town is awfully suspicious. With Paul and Ray's reduced salaries the Celtics clearly have more cash to spend this year.

I think it could be suspicious or it could be that Danny is in love with Avery Bradley and feels that he'll do more than TA immediately.

The information that the two non guaranteed contracts can't be moved until Tuesday is curious. Do you think Danny will bring someone in the $10-12 MM range for those guys?

I have no idea how high they are willing to go. But the C's options increase on Tuesday.

Right now the Celtics have about $63 million tied up in 7 players. I see no reason why they can't pay to get back up in the 78-80 range if they really want to get past the Lakers and Heat.

The Celtics could have a lot of faith in Bradley. However he has no chance at being able to physically hold his own defending a small forward (unlike Tony). I'm not convinced that the Celtics are going to find there top bench wing from the minimum wage scrap heap.

Something's got to be cooking. Otherwise letting a sure thing in TA go over a small pay hike would look very foolish.

Also I can't imagine Ray and Paul agreeing to smaller deals with the Celtics to only see the C's pocket that extra 10-15 million. Somethings coming....

[Evantime34]

I don't see much else going in either direction that makes much sense. it would likely just be a straight up deal -- howard for sheed's deal and incentives.

Yeah if something goes down, I imagine it will be a straight up deal. I feel like something should be coming this week.

The ease in which they let Tony leave town is awfully suspicious. With Paul and Ray's reduced salaries the Celtics clearly have more cash to spend this year.

I think it could be suspicious or it could be that Danny is in love with Avery Bradley and feels that he'll do more than TA immediately.

The information that the two non guaranteed contracts can't be moved until Tuesday is curious. Do you think Danny will bring someone in the $10-12 MM range for those guys?

I have no idea how high they are willing to go. But the C's options increase on Tuesday.

Right now the Celtics have about $63 million tied up in 7 players. I see no reason why they can't pay to get back up in the 78-80 range if they really want to get past the Lakers and Heat.

The Celtics could have a lot of faith in Bradley. However he has no chance at being able to physically hold his own defending a small forward (unlike Tony). I'm not convinced that the Celtics are going to find there top bench wing from the minimum wage scrap heap.

Something's got to be cooking. Otherwise letting a sure thing in TA go over a small pay hike would look very foolish.

Also I can't imagine Ray and Paul agreeing to smaller deals with the Celtics to only see the C's pocket that extra 10-15 million. Somethings coming....

Someone mentioned that because of Sheed's trade kicker his contract can be traded for a contract worth about $9.5 MM. Then if you add the two non guaranteed it equals about $11 MM. Can someone who is good with that stuff tell me how much they can get for the package of Sheed and the two d leaguers?

[erisred]

Bradley is signed, it will be August before he can be traded, but Harangody is NOT. Not only is Luke not signed, notice we've heard that Janning got a camp invite, but not heard that Luke has even gotten an invite.

Now, I'm not saying the C's don't like Harangody. I think Danny and Doc do like him, but right now *he* is much more a trade-able asset than Avery Bradley is. I'm not going to be surprised if Luke isn't traded as an inducement to get somebody to give us a player more ready to fill an immediate need...part of a Howard trade or part of a Fernandez trade perhaps.

Gaffney+Lafayette+Harangody could match a player in the $1.1 to $2.0 million range...that could be a small deal, for a good young wing to backup Allen or Pierce...say Fernandez.

Sheed+pick/money, straight up for Howard garners the other backup wing.

Rondo/Bradley/?Nate or vet min?
Allen/Fernandez/Bradley
Pierce/Howard
KG/Baby/?vet min?
JO/Baby/Perk/Erden

[snively]

Not optimistic about Josh Howard's chances at returning to form.  He's past 30, coming off a devastating injury and his strengths as a player are primarily based off of his athletic ability.  Remove Howard's athleticism and you have a garden variety inefficient slasher/scorer

[ssspence]

Not optimistic about Josh Howard's chances at returning to form.  He's past 30, coming off a devastating injury and his strengths as a player are primarily based off of his athletic ability.  Remove Howard's athleticism and you have a garden variety inefficient slasher/scorer

actually josh howard slid low into the 1st round despite being ACC player of the year precisely because his athleticism was below average. he succeeds off of skill, not ath-a-let-a-cism.

not saying he'll be who he was 4 years ago, but he did look much better in the few games he played in washington before going down. dude id some stupid things in dallas, and needed a change of scenery.

[arctic 3.0]

dare I invoke the name of Yi?   

forget yi
go for McGee!

[SCBirdman]

OK, I have it.  Trade Sheed, Cash, and a second round pick for Howard (2 years, 10 million) and Oberto (1 year, 2.5 million).

Then, a month after Bradley's contract being signed, trade him, along with Laffayette and Gaffney for Rudy Fernandez.  

Sign a vet minimum backup PG like say, Eddie House!

And here we have it (with depth filled in by more vet minimum guys and rookies):

Rondo, House
Ray, Rudy
Pierce, Howard
KG, Davis
Perk, JO, Oberto

Nice, Chris. A couple of points:

1) I like the cheap Oberto addition -- nice touch;

2) I think you're going to have to add years or dollars for Howard. Travis Outlaw just got 35mil (for crying out loud... pretty nuts);

3) The combo of Bradley and those guys make too much $$$, but more importantly, wouldn't the Cs value Bradley more than a 1st next year? The Blazers do have Bayless after all.... how about Gaffney + Lafayette + a 1st?

I like it, except I would definitely re-sign Nate for 2 years instead of bringing back Eddie as a PG.  I think even though more expensive, Nate is much more valuable at backup PG than Eddie. Nate could also give Rondo more rest,like 6-7 minutes per half, and I could even see both of them on the floor together.

[Cman]

I like the Oberto idea.  I'd feel a lot more comfortable about the big man situation if the Cs had a seasoned player like him on the bench.

Like others, I see the risk with J. Howard.  There's a big risk, and my guess is that the Cs won't do anything if it requires sending more than a 2nd rounder to Washington.

[Who]

I like the Oberto idea.  I'd feel a lot more comfortable about the big man situation if the Cs had a seasoned player like him on the bench.

Oberto has declined considerably each season for the past three years now.

I think he is a very weak player nowadays. A below average end of bench player.

[snively]

Not optimistic about Josh Howard's chances at returning to form.  He's past 30, coming off a devastating injury and his strengths as a player are primarily based off of his athletic ability.  Remove Howard's athleticism and you have a garden variety inefficient slasher/scorer

actually josh howard slid low into the 1st round despite being ACC player of the year precisely because his athleticism was below average. he succeeds off of skill, not ath-a-let-a-cism.

not saying he'll be who he was 4 years ago, but he did look much better in the few games he played in washington before going down. dude id some stupid things in dallas, and needed a change of scenery.

I think he was quite athletic early in his career.  While he was never a slam dunk contest type, he was very quick and bouncy, making him a much better rebounder and defender than his size would indicate and a very good threat off the dribble.  Tear an ACL at age 30 and you tend to lose quickness and bounciness.