Biggest Loser of the offseason so far?

[Papatrichs]

The FANS 

[Bankshot]

1. Cleveland
2. NJ
3. Boston -- We lost Perk until Feb at earliest, Sheed has retired and no guaranty we'll have anything to show for it; Tony Allen is gone; our only new talent is a center who was pretty bad in playoffs and has bad knees. We are not looking to good so far.

Boston?


No. 
Not when Phoenix lets Amare walk for nothing.
Toronto lets Bosh go for two low 1st rounders.

I'd say Boston too.  Phoenix and Toronto weren't minutes away from a title, the Celtics were.  I really don't see any way the Celtics get back to the Finals.

[Bahku]

The fans of Cleveland and Toronto ... and the residents of the Gulf of Mexico.

[Birdbrain]

1. Cleveland
2. NJ
3. Boston -- We lost Perk until Feb at earliest, Sheed has retired and no guaranty we'll have anything to show for it; Tony Allen is gone; our only new talent is a center who was pretty bad in playoffs and has bad knees. We are not looking to good so far.

Agreed -- Boston has worked it's way onto this list. This has been a horrific off-season.

Could you clarify this post?  I normally agree with a lot of your points but, you appear taking hyperbole to a level never seen before unless I've missed a few things. 

[Bankshot]

Cleveland. They just got embarrassed by LeBron and then again by their owner.

New Jersey. A lot of hype came along with this new owner and they did nothing except offer average players above average contracts. And they didn't get Wall.

Byron Scott. Came to Cleveland expecting to coach LeBron and instead had to deal with his leftovers. He should have waited for the Laker job to open up lol.

Byron Scott was one of the first people I thought of when Lebron said he was leaving Cleveland.  I knew Byron Scott would not be a reason Lebron stayed.  Serves Scott right, can't stand him. lol

[Kwhit10]

Atlanta, being dumb enough to give Joe Johnson the biggest contract of the summer and crippling their franchise to the 'superstardom' of Joe Johnson.

[Who]

1. Cleveland
2. NJ
3. Boston -- We lost Perk until Feb at earliest, Sheed has retired and no guaranty we'll have anything to show for it; Tony Allen is gone; our only new talent is a center who was pretty bad in playoffs and has bad knees. We are not looking to good so far.

Agreed -- Boston has worked it's way onto this list. This has been a horrific off-season.

Could you clarify this post?  I normally agree with a lot of your points but, you appear taking hyperbole to a level never seen before unless I've missed a few things. 

(1) Turned down the opportunity to rebuild
(2) Gave Pierce four years and hurt the opportunity to rebuild down the road + hurt Rondo's future with the Celtics post Big Three
(3) Wasted the MLE on Jermaine O'Neal
(4) LeBron, Wade and Bosh teamed up in Miami to create the best team in the East.
(5) Tony Allen left on a reasonable deal which there was no reason not to offer once Pierce was paid
(6) The value of Sheed's retiring contract looks iffy. The trade market is not promising + the number of trade exceptions floating about puts more competition on the market and thus lowers the relative value of his deal.

The Celtics championship hopes took a huge blow the minute LeBron went to Miami + their medium term future took a huge hit by refusal to rebuild and then the Pierce contract.

The addition of Jermaine O'Neal was very disappointing. Not the upgrade I was hoping to see.

[Birdbrain]

1. Cleveland
2. NJ
3. Boston -- We lost Perk until Feb at earliest, Sheed has retired and no guaranty we'll have anything to show for it; Tony Allen is gone; our only new talent is a center who was pretty bad in playoffs and has bad knees. We are not looking to good so far.

Agreed -- Boston has worked it's way onto this list. This has been a horrific off-season.

Could you clarify this post?  I normally agree with a lot of your points but, you appear taking hyperbole to a level never seen before unless I've missed a few things. 

(1) Turned down the opportunity to rebuild
(2) Gave Pierce four years and hurt the opportunity to rebuild down the road + hurt Rondo's future with the Celtics post Big Three
(3) Wasted the MLE on Jermaine O'Neal
(4) LeBron, Wade and Bosh teamed up in Miami to create the best team in the East.
(5) Tony Allen left on a reasonable deal which there was no reason not to offer once Pierce was paid
(6) The value of Sheed's retiring contract looks iffy. The trade market is not promising + the number of trade exceptions floating about puts more competition on the market and thus lowers the relative value of his deal.

The Celtics championship hopes took a huge blow the minute LeBron went to Miami + their medium term future took a huge hit by refusal to rebuild and then the Pierce contract.

The addition of Jermaine O'Neal was very disappointing. Not the upgrade I was hoping to see.

1. Didn't want them to rebuild with KG at 20 m for 2 years. 

2. Gladly overpay Pierce so he can retire.  The stunting of Rondos prime is overblown because he still has holes.

3. Signing O'Neal was not a good move but a great move.

4. This has nothing to do with Boston so it's a moot.

5. Tony Allen is garbage but, from to time play some nice D and nothing Peirce got should be taken into consideration.

6.. Can't do anthing about this and shouldn't be held against Boston.. This most of the others are definition hyperbole.

OK that's cool I didn't miss anything we just disagree on pretty much everything you posted.

TP for taking the time.

[StartOrien]

I've seen a lot of talk about the Knicks being losers, am I the only one who liked what they did this off-season?

Felton
Azabuke
Chandler
Stoudemire
Turiaf

Aren't winning any championships soon, but they're nice pieces to an exciting team without sacrificng all that much down the line.

[Who]

I've seen a lot of talk about the Knicks being losers, am I the only one who liked what they did this off-season?

Felton
Azabuke
Chandler
Stoudemire
Turiaf

Aren't winning any championships soon, but they're nice pieces to an exciting team without sacrificng all that much down the line.

I loved the addition of Anthony Randolph but I didn't like the Felton or Stoudemire signings.

On Amare Stoudemire -- I would have liked it if it had of convinced LeBron to join but without that I think it's a bad deal. Paid for reputation rather than talent. David Lee would have been a better option.

[wdleehi]

1. Cleveland
2. NJ
3. Boston -- We lost Perk until Feb at earliest, Sheed has retired and no guaranty we'll have anything to show for it; Tony Allen is gone; our only new talent is a center who was pretty bad in playoffs and has bad knees. We are not looking to good so far.

Boston?


No. 
Not when Phoenix lets Amare walk for nothing.
Toronto lets Bosh go for two low 1st rounders.

I'd say Boston too.  Phoenix and Toronto weren't minutes away from a title, the Celtics were.  I really don't see any way the Celtics get back to the Finals.

I did see Phoenix in the Western Conference Final.  They may needed only to add one or two pieces to get past the Lakers.


Now, they lost Amare.  That is likely a huge step backwards.


Meanwhile, the Celtics have lost a backup SG and PF (who they have already replaced).

Perk will be back by the time the playoffs are here.  TA can be replaced. 


So, I see a team that was so close to winning a title coming back with all the key players signed short term for that last run.


How many team in the NBA wish they could say that?

[Birdbrain]

I've seen a lot of talk about the Knicks being losers, am I the only one who liked what they did this off-season?

Felton
Azabuke
Chandler
Stoudemire
Turiaf

Aren't winning any championships soon, but they're nice pieces to an exciting team without sacrificng all that much down the line.

I loved the addition of Anthony Randolph but I didn't like the Felton or Stoudemire signings.

On Amare Stoudemire -- I would have liked it if it had of convinced LeBron to join but without that I think it's a bad deal. Paid for reputation rather than talent. David Lee would have been a better option.

I said the Knicks (because of LJ) but you make some valid points about Felton and Stoudamire.  They should be much better than the past few seasons.

[Jon]

I've seen a lot of talk about the Knicks being losers, am I the only one who liked what they did this off-season?

Felton
Azabuke
Chandler
Stoudemire
Turiaf

Aren't winning any championships soon, but they're nice pieces to an exciting team without sacrificng all that much down the line.

I loved the addition of Anthony Randolph but I didn't like the Felton or Stoudemire signings.

On Amare Stoudemire -- I would have liked it if it had of convinced LeBron to join but without that I think it's a bad deal. Paid for reputation rather than talent. David Lee would have been a better option.

I said the Knicks (because of LJ) but you make some valid points about Felton and Stoudamire.  They should be much better than the past few seasons.

I'm curious to see what some of these frontloaded contracts that New York, New Jersey, and Chicago have given out actually look like when they show up on the team payroll. 

Until then, I'll hold off totally ripping NY and NJ. 

[Lucky17]

Your 2010-11 Knicks:

PG: Felton
SG: Chandler
SF: Gallo
PF: Amare
C:  Curry or Turiaf (Curriaf?)

With a bench of Randolph, Azubuike, Toney Douglas, Bill Walker and a collection of rookies, including some 7-foot Russian who sounds like the second coming of Raef Lafrentz:

Mozgov is expected to sign a three-year, $9 million deal, but not all of the money will be guaranteed.

"He can go outside and inside. Obviously Europeans don't play the same post-up game we have, and because of his youth and size, I think he'll probably need work on his low-post offensive game. But other than that, he can shoot, he can take it to the goal, he can dribble, he can pass, he's got a total all-around game, and he's very mobile for a guy who's 7-foot-1. So I think he's a great prospect," Walsh said. "Reading some of the articles that some of you wrote, people are saying he's the best prospect in Europe. I hadn't heard that before, but I'm OK with it."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/220/lebron-heckled-at-carmelos-wedding-reception-walsh-on-knicks-future

Tell me how any Knicks' fan can feel excited about this coming season.