how much would you pay Tony/Nate?

[perks-a-beast]

i think we NEED BOTH off the bench next season. tony for defense and nate primarily for offense but considering that over paying them could end up hurting us financially how much would you realistically pay for them?

i'd probably offer nate a 2 year/12 mill deal

i'd give Tony a 2 year/8 mill deal....but would that be a slap in the face ??

[guava_wrench]

Can we offer Nate anything about the minimum?

Fortunately, we can't actually Pay TA much since his contract wasn't much last season and our cap situation and use of the MLE on JO limits us to Bird rights raises.

[Mr October]

I was aiming for $10/3 for each.

I'd set my limit at $15/4 for each i think.... although we're in a dangerous spot of what do we do if we let them walk...

[Mr October]

Can we offer Nate anything about the minimum?

Fortunately, we can't actually Pay TA much since his contract wasn't much last season and our cap situation and use of the MLE on JO limits us to Bird rights raises.

Tony's bird's rights allow the C's to go as high as the max if they wanted too.

And Nate can be resigned within a certain range of his current salary. I believe 5.7 or 6 is the max starting value possible.

[pearljammer10]

Nate 15 dollars... Tony gets 3.

[guava_wrench]

Can we offer Nate anything about the minimum?

Fortunately, we can't actually Pay TA much since his contract wasn't much last season and our cap situation and use of the MLE on JO limits us to Bird rights raises.

Tony's bird's rights allow the C's to go as high as the max if they wanted too.

And Nate can be resigned within a certain range of his current salary. I believe 5.7 or 6 is the max starting value possible.

I can't see us not resigning these guys due to our lack of options at this point.

I think Nate will be much better in his second year in our system.

[footey]

I thought we had a deal in place with Tony. Status?

[nickagneta]

I would pay other team to take these guys off our hands so that we will only ever be able to talk about them in "Bring back Tony" and "Bring back Nate" threads. Unfortunately that probably won't happen.

Honestly I think Tony will probably be resigned and be brought back for slightly more than he got last year. Maybe 2 years/$3 million per year.

I think Nate is done here. I don't think they bring him back much less bring him back at the obscenely ridiculous price of near $6 million a year. That's just absurd. There is no way he sees that in today's market, especially considering the near glut on the market of quality PGs. Heck, at this point, who doesn't have one?

Boston - Rondo
New Jersey - Harris
New York - doesn't matter they would never bring Nate back
Philly - Holiday
Toronto - Calderon/Jack

Washington - Wall
Charlotte - Augustin - seems like a good spot for Nate
Atlanta - okay they need one
Orlando - Nelson
Miami - they have Wade and LeBron, they don't need a PG

Detroit - Stuckey/Bynum
Chicago - Rose
Milwaukee - Jennings
Indiana - Ford/Price - okay they could use an upgrade but I don't see Robinson as an upgrade
Cleveland - Williams

LA - Davis
LA - Fisher/Blake
Golden State - Curry
Sacramento - Udrih - another landing spot for Nate
Phoenix - Nash/Dragic

Utah - Williams
Minnesota - Flynn/Rubio
Portland - Miller/Bayless
Denver = Billups/Lawson
OKC - Westbrook/Maynor

Dallas - Kidd/Beaubois
SA - Parker/Hill
NO - Paul/Collison
Houston - Brooks/Lowry
Memphis - Conley - yes another spot that could use an upgrade

So that leaves like 3-4 places in the whole league that could be looking for PG help and some teams with multiple PGs that might wanted to trade them. The market is small and there is a lot of PG talent out there. That means Nate Robinson will not be seeing anywhere close to $6 million a year on the open market and there's no reason for Boston to overpay him if no one else will.

I think he could be signed and traded to a place like Memphis or Sactown. I get the feeling the coaching staff doesn't want him back and he won't be.

[Bankshot]

I was aiming for $10/3 for each.

I'd set my limit at $15/4 for each i think.... although we're in a dangerous spot of what do we do if we let them walk...

We can't let these two walk.  IMO they're probably the best of what's available.

[kozlodoev]

I was aiming for $10/3 for each.

I'd set my limit at $15/4 for each i think.... although we're in a dangerous spot of what do we do if we let them walk...

Under the non-Bird exception, we can only offer those guys a maximum of 120% of what they earned last year. Allen earned $2,500,000, so we can offer him a maximum of $3,000,000 for the first year. The contracts can include a 10% yearly increase, so the maxmium we can offer him over 4 years is slightly under $14,000,000.

With the way the FA market is panning out, we might need to offer the max to both guys ($4,800,000 for Robinson). I am also getting pessimistic about our ability to draw a decent rotation wing with the vet minimum.

[Mr October]

I was aiming for $10/3 for each.

I'd set my limit at $15/4 for each i think.... although we're in a dangerous spot of what do we do if we let them walk...

Under the non-Bird exception, we can only offer those guys a maximum of 120% of what they earned last year. Allen earned $2,500,000, so we can offer him a maximum of $3,000,000 for the first year. The contracts can include a 10% yearly increase, so the maxmium we can offer him over 4 years is slightly under $14,000,000.

Tony has been a Celtic for 6 years in a row. How is he not a bird exception player?

EDIT just looked it up. See item 26.

The basic idea is that a player must play for the same team for three seasons for his team to gain Bird rights (two seasons for Early Bird rights). It can be a single three-year contract, a series of three one-year contracts, or any combination that adds up to three seasons (two for Early Bird).

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q26

[Brendan]

Celts have bird rights on TA. Can sign him for whatever. I think he'll get 2 years at 6 or 7 million (total.)

This is accurate about signing Nate though...

Under the non-Bird exception, we can only offer those guys a maximum of 120% of what they earned last year.... With the way the FA market is panning out, we might need to offer the max to both guys ($4,800,000 for Robinson). I am also getting pessimistic about our ability to draw a decent rotation wing with the vet minimum.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Nate get $4,800,000 for a one year deal.

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, I'm not familiar with the numbers, but I certainly hope we can get these two back. I saw on the Blog front page that TA looks like he'll be back, which is good, but I really hope we can get Nate back as well.

You know Nate's got to be as psyched up about the Heat srcubs as anyone else.

[Jon]

Who actually wants Nate Robinson?  While he's a dynamic player, I don't see any contender giving him more than the minimum and I don't see any non-contender willing to pay him much more since he's certainly not going to turn anyone into a contender. 

Offering him more than 2-3 million per year is just silly and would likely be a Scal-like deal where we're bidding against ourselves.

That said, I don't really care how much we spend on them.  I'd like them back, but as long as Wyc's still willing to let us trade Wallace's deal for players, we can pay each of them 10 million a year for all I care.  But I certainly wouldn't go over 2 years.  We shouldn't be held up by those two in our free agent plans. 

[Who]

Who actually wants Nate Robinson?  While he's a dynamic player, I don't see any contender giving him more than the minimum and I don't see any non-contender willing to pay him much more since he's certainly not going to turn anyone into a contender. 

Offering him more than 2-3 million per year is just silly and would likely be a Scal-like deal where we're bidding against ourselves.

That said, I don't really care how much we spend on them.  I'd like them back, but as long as Wyc's still willing to let us trade Wallace's deal for players, we can pay each of them 10 million a year for all I care.  But I certainly wouldn't go over 2 years.  We shouldn't be held up by those two in our free agent plans. 

I would expect Nate to get offers in the $2-3 million ran.

Nate is a good backup guard.