how much would you pay Tony/Nate?

[Jon]

Who actually wants Nate Robinson?  While he's a dynamic player, I don't see any contender giving him more than the minimum and I don't see any non-contender willing to pay him much more since he's certainly not going to turn anyone into a contender. 

Offering him more than 2-3 million per year is just silly and would likely be a Scal-like deal where we're bidding against ourselves.

That said, I don't really care how much we spend on them.  I'd like them back, but as long as Wyc's still willing to let us trade Wallace's deal for players, we can pay each of them 10 million a year for all I care.  But I certainly wouldn't go over 2 years.  We shouldn't be held up by those two in our free agent plans. 

I would expect Nate to get offers in the $2-3 million ran.

Nate is a good backup guard.

Right.  But that's why I said it's silly to offer him much more.  We don't need to be paying a 5-8 guys more than 2-3 million per year to backup a player who plays 40ish minutes per game, especially when Nate can't slide to the 2 and when we have Avery Bradley already. 

[jr_3421]

Nate made 4 mil last year and definitely improved his stock in the playoffs so I don't think we can expect to sign him for less than that. I would guess if we sign him it would be 4-5 mil.

It's different with TA because we have bird rights. If TA is willing to accept a 2 year deal, then I would be willing to pay more than the market price because we are already over the cap and everyone will be coming off the books by then so it doesn't really hurt our future. If he wants more years and someone is willing to give him a big payday, then I would let him go.

In the end I think both will be resigned because there aren't that many players out there who are better and with this new Miami team, Danny can't take any chances with the Big 3's closing window.

[nickagneta]

Nate made 4 mil last year and definitely improved his stock in the playoffs so I don't think we can expect to sign him for less than that. I would guess if we sign him it would be 4-5 mil.

It's different with TA because we have bird rights. If TA is willing to accept a 2 year deal, then I would be willing to pay more than the market price because we are already over the cap and everyone will be coming off the books by then so it doesn't really hurt our future. If he wants more years and someone is willing to give him a big payday, then I would let him go.

In the end I think both will be resigned because there aren't that many players out there who are better and with this new Miami team, Danny can't take any chances with the Big 3's closing window.

Ya gotta help me out here. Exactly how did Nate improve his stock during the playoffs? He had like 2 1/2 good games the entire playoff season, playing in 16 games. Before that it was pretty obvious he wasn't fitting in well and had earned a seat on the bench and some reduced minutes and DNP-CDs.

If anything I think his time here showed most of the NBA that Nate is basically a very flawed back up PG that wasn't worth nearly what he was getting paid because he was getting paid starters money and he's far from being good enough to start in this league.

Nate is going to be taking a serious pay cut when he signs his next deal.

[CoachBo]

Agreed, Nick. I don't see Nate as much more than a vet minimum player.

As for Tony, he can defend. His offense still isn't much. I'm probably interested at a number similar to what we paid last year, but he's not worth 4 or 5.

[Obi Wan Canubi]

I have never been a fan of TAllen, frankly he can go, I would prefer a guy like JJ Reddick(sp?) or Anthony Morrow to come off the bench.  TAllen is a good defender but his offense is so sporadic that he shoots a good game or 2 and he starts to get fed the ball and next thing you know he is turning it over left and right.

Nate is worth 5-7 million if they would use him.  We gave up Eddie then barely used him especially near the end of the season.  If they had tossed him into the system more during the regular season we may have got more than 2 awesome playoff showings out of him. 

I was a fan of Nate in NY, I hope he stays in Boston, but I will be a fan if he ends up hanging his shingle elsewhere.

[Vermont Green]

I am just trying to take people's temperature on this.  Would you rather have Tony Allen or Tracy McGrady.  Nate or Iverson?

I feel like Tony and Nate are fine or sufficient for the roles they would be slotted for but I just feel there is something better out there either through FA or through trading of Sheed's contract.

[Jon]

Nate made 4 mil last year and definitely improved his stock in the playoffs so I don't think we can expect to sign him for less than that. I would guess if we sign him it would be 4-5 mil.

It's different with TA because we have bird rights. If TA is willing to accept a 2 year deal, then I would be willing to pay more than the market price because we are already over the cap and everyone will be coming off the books by then so it doesn't really hurt our future. If he wants more years and someone is willing to give him a big payday, then I would let him go.

In the end I think both will be resigned because there aren't that many players out there who are better and with this new Miami team, Danny can't take any chances with the Big 3's closing window.

Did Nate really improve his stock?  He had what, 2 maybe 3 good games?  The rest of the time, he didn't even play. 

I'm not so sure that he's changed people's minds.  I think some title contender might consider letting him be the backup, but they won't give him anywhere close to 4 million, and it'd likely be closer to a minimum offer. 

And if you're someone like the Sacramento Kings, why would you want to give a 5-8 point guard 5 million a year to help you not make the playoffs? 

[Bankshot]

Nate made 4 mil last year and definitely improved his stock in the playoffs so I don't think we can expect to sign him for less than that. I would guess if we sign him it would be 4-5 mil.

It's different with TA because we have bird rights. If TA is willing to accept a 2 year deal, then I would be willing to pay more than the market price because we are already over the cap and everyone will be coming off the books by then so it doesn't really hurt our future. If he wants more years and someone is willing to give him a big payday, then I would let him go.

In the end I think both will be resigned because there aren't that many players out there who are better and with this new Miami team, Danny can't take any chances with the Big 3's closing window.

Did Nate really improve his stock?  He had what, 2 maybe 3 good games?  The rest of the time, he didn't even play. 

I'm not so sure that he's changed people's minds.  I think some title contender might consider letting him be the backup, but they won't give him anywhere close to 4 million, and it'd likely be closer to a minimum offer. 

And if you're someone like the Sacramento Kings, why would you want to give a 5-8 point guard 5 million a year to help you not make the playoffs? 

I thought Nate could have given us more in the playoffs, especially in game 7, but for some reason Doc didn't play him, even after he played ok to well in the other games he appeared in.  I guess Doc panicked?

[Obi Wan Canubi]

I am just trying to take people's temperature on this.  Would you rather have Tony Allen or Tracy McGrady.  Nate or Iverson?

I feel like Tony and Nate are fine or sufficient for the roles they would be slotted for but I just feel there is something better out there either through FA or through trading of Sheed's contract.

given those options I would take Tony and Nate

[More Banners]

At one time I was rather assured that their value would each be at around $3 million per season on no more than a 3 year deal, but with the way other teams are shaping up, I want to make as strong a punch as I could over the next two years, then clear the decks.  So I'd overpay to keep both of their contracts to 2 years, but might consider longer for Nate if he took a discount...

But anyway, I'd pay either a high sum to line up their contracts to Ray, KG, and JO and make the strongest 2-year push I could.  Keeping both of them would help create the strongest possible roster for the next two years.

[snively]

As long as they are 2 year deals, I would pay as much as ownership is willing to pay without taking a Sheed contract trade off the table for financial reasons.

Both are good players who would have important roles on the team.

TA's defense is more of a priority, especially with LeBron and Wade waiting in the wings in Miami.

Nate would be hard to let go, especially with this team's issues scoring the ball, but with Avery Bradley on deck and guys like House likely available for the minimum, I can understand if the C's decide to cut ties.

[LooseCannon]

Nate is probably worth about as much as Big Baby.  Tony Allen probably a bit more.

I think that the playoffs showed that Nate Robinson fits in the Celtics rotation so long as he plays within the defense.  Rondo may be young, but that doesn't mean you can just abuse him and trot him out there for 40 minutes a game.  Now that Rondo is a long-term investment, it's moronic to structure your roster in a way that obligates Rondo to play through nagging injuries because you lack a good backup for him.  The difference between Nate Robinson and a vet min bench PG is as wide as the gulf between Jermaine O'Neal and Kwame Brown.

[housecall]

I recently heard Danny Ainge say on weei that Nate help win 2 games in the playoffs,speaking highly of him as if he wanted to resign him.He sounded at the time as if he would pay more than what he's probably worth.

[blackberry33]

Nate 2 years 10m
TA 3 years 12m

[mgent]

I wouldn't give either more than 4.