The "new" Big Three taking a wrong lesson from the Celtics?

[fairweatherfan06]

Bosh don't defend like KG then or now
Bron and Wade's games duplicate each other not compliment them like Pierce and Ray. 

Don't know what kind of Coach Spolestra is.

I think this could take a few years for them to get right. 

However consolation. If we don't ruin the Lakers 3-Peat and I believe it will be this team.  I'm quite fine with this group doing it, though it will suck to hear the Lakers excuses about it taking a superteam to beat them, but whatever.

[GreenFaith1819]

Good Post, Drucci.

I think the key in comparison of our Big Three to theirs is: KG.

Kevin Garnett brought a Defensive Mindset to Boston with his arrival. Bosh, as great a player as he is, just doesn't do the same for me. Wade, Bosh and Lebron are three of the best players in the NBA, but the Chemistry..the mindset just isn't the same.

To me, this team doesn't frighten me defensively, at least up front.

[RockinRyA]

with that said i dont see them beating Orlando anytime

[jr_3421]

Bron and Wade's games duplicate each other not compliment them like Pierce and Ray.

I agree. I find it hard to see how two ball dominant players are going to play well for a whole season with each other. Especially when neither moves without the ball particularly well.

On another note, I think this makes it easier for the Celtics come playoff time. Instead of a couple series playing these stars, we can knock them all out in one round and save our energy for the finals lol.

[Mizzy21390]

Obviously, it's hard to say that combining your force with two of the best NBA players who complement your game is the wrong approach.

But I can't help and think that, by trying to emulate what our Big Three did in '07, LeBron, Wade and Bosh are taking the wrong approach.

First of all, they seem to get together to win but also (and especially) because they enjoy each other and are friends. I understand their excitement of teaming up and building a "dream team" but did they really think about what is waiting for them? 5 or 6 years together, during their prime. It won't be a question of friendship anymore but a question of knowing whether or not you can share the spotlights.

I think it's really different from our own Big Three that got together for winning only. They knew each other as veterans but they weren't friends and truly bonded only in Rome during the preseason. They had one goal and put all their forces into it, not caring about stats, individual awards, friendships, etc.

Plus, the age thing is a big factor, of course. You may be willing to sacrifice some of your stats/game when you're young to win a title but do you really want to do for 5 years, during your prime? To it's much easier to do it when you truly have a few runs left and as you're getting too old to play anymore.

Finally, our Big Three made their annoucement together. At the same press conference.

Now I understand that Bosh and Wade had obligations to their camps so they couldn't be together but they did broadcast their announcement together. However, what does this ridiculous LeBron one-hour - but in reality, one day long - TV show tells you? Couldn't he make his announcement with Bosh and Wade, together as the "new" big three? The "He made his choice today only" argument is a lie, they decided to team up some time ago. To me, a guy that puts himself on the frontstage, litterally at the center of all attentions, separately for his soon to be new teammates, isn't sending good vibes at all. We all know LeBron is a team player but still, he is all about hype and himself too.

I don't know, but I feel like these three guys look like 3 teenagers excited to team up as the most popular stars in high school who get along with each other and have one common goal but do not realize the practical difficulties to achieve it and the difference between saying the right things and actually doing them. It's like they've played 6 games/one summer together with team USA, rightfully so loved this experience, and now they think they can duplicate this experience over 82 games for 5 years + the playoffs.

And if it could work for one year I don't see it working for 5 years.

Anyway, my point is that, even when not considering the fact that they don't have any other players and have basically no money, which is a big problem, their issues could be "mental" first and about their egos. What do you guys think?

Wow. Spot on! I said almost exactly everything on that was said here on a previous thread.. Creepy.. lol

But you're right. I wonder why they couldn't just wait, and then announce all together as three like PP, Ray, and KG did in 07? That just obviously shows everyone that Lebron is all about himself. Imagine if KG was do do a one hour special while letting PP and Ray make a little dent on the FA signing news?

Everyone would be on KG's case that he's arrogant. Heck ESPN probably wouldn't have agreed to this stupid thing. But everyone is blinded by Lebron. But fortunately, little by little, a new journalist comes out with an article bashing him for his spotlight hogging. Soon everyone will see him for who he is.

I HIGHLY doubt that the Heat's "big three" will have that UBUNTU that the C's started in Rome. HIGHLY DOUBT IT... They will say to the media that they're all about winning, but sooner or later, their egos will get in the way. Heck it probably already started. I doubt Wade and Bosh is happy with this one hour special thing..

[Mizzy21390]

There was another thing I picked up in this interview that the C's three never did.  When they came together they always used the word help.  " I am here to help the  team win a championship."  Lebron says "I am here to lead Miami into a championship."  Now I know this is something little but last i knew Wade was the leader of the the Heat.  If both these guys try to be the leaders they will bump heads eventually.

Actually if you realize for your first sentence, the difference is that the C's big three, "came together in a press conference".... What did we witness, (no pun intended) tonight? A man singling himself out to have his own one hour special announcement, while the other two watch on.

[BBS]

Stop calling them the Big three. The Celtics have the Big Three. The HEAT have THE THREE EGO'S. Good luck with that Miami.

Boston will BEAT them in the Playoffs Mark my words. That is if the refs ever call fouls on WADE BOSH & LEBRON.  Who's willing to bet not one of them gets 5 fouls called on them let alone fouling out?

  BEAT THE HEAT!!!

[Roy Hobbs]

I can't blame them for trying.  Ultimately, you may be right that ego gets in the way.  On the other hand, they could go on to win four titles together.

This hurts Lebron's legacy, no doubt about it.  History will probably remember him as the guy who couldn't win a title on his own, so he went elsewhere to have D. Wade get him one.  I think this solidifies him firmly behind Kobe in terms of best player of the era, and ends any discussion of "best small forward of all-time", let alone best player.

However, if Lebron made an educated decision that he cares about winning more than money and personal accolades, more power to him.  I know we're all skeptical of that due to his ego, but in the end, I can't blame a guy for wanting to win alongside his genuine friends.  You're right that he may not be ready for it, but on the other hand, I find it refreshing that a young guy is sick of losing after seven years (when "losing" means not winning championships, rather than being stuck on a lottery team.)

[kozlodoev]

However, if Lebron made an educated decision that he cares about winning more than money and personal accolades, more power to him.

By announcing it on an 1-hour special on national TV, and generally creating an incredible amount of hoopla by joining an overhyped team of self-proclaimed superstars? Nah, LeBron just tried to have his cake and eat it too. I'm with Bill Simmons on this one.

Also, I've got newfound respect for Kevin Durant, who announced his huge extension with a simple tweet, and then went to Orlando to watch summer league games.

[thirstyboots18]

Bron and Wade's games duplicate each other not compliment them like Pierce and Ray.

I agree. I find it hard to see how two ball dominant players are going to play well for a whole season with each other. Especially when neither moves without the ball particularly well.

On another note, I think this makes it easier for the Celtics come playoff time. Instead of a couple series playing these stars, we can knock them all out in one round and save our energy for the finals lol.

TP!   Like the killing three birds with one stone idea!  ha ha ha

[Fafnir]

This hurts Lebron's legacy, no doubt about it.  History will probably remember him as the guy who couldn't win a title on his own, so he went elsewhere to have D. Wade get him one.  I think this solidifies him firmly behind Kobe in terms of best player of the era, and ends any discussion of "best small forward of all-time", let alone best player.

I fail to see how making a free agent move affects any of these things Roy.

[CelticsWhat35]

I think Danny Ainge needs to trademark the term "Big Three". Allowing another franchise to use it seems, I don't know, disrespectful.

Miami Thrice? Tri-ami? The Miami Hype Machine?

I totally agree.  The term "Big Three" gets thrown around way too often.  I think some people referred to LeBron, Mo Williams and Jamison as a "Big Three" after the midseason trade.  That's just crazy talk.

[housecall]

Bosh don't defend like KG then or now
Bron and Wade's games duplicate each other not compliment them like Pierce and Ray. 

Don't know what kind of Coach Spolestra is.

I think this could take a few years for them to get right. 

However consolation. If we don't ruin the Lakers 3-Peat and I believe it will be this team.  I'm quite fine with this group doing it, though it will suck to hear the Lakers excuses about it taking a superteam to beat them, but whatever.

You stole some of my thunder...i agree about the duplicating players,KG's defense,etc.,and Bosh is not the alpha-dog he thinks he is.TP

[Roy Hobbs]

This hurts Lebron's legacy, no doubt about it.  History will probably remember him as the guy who couldn't win a title on his own, so he went elsewhere to have D. Wade get him one.  I think this solidifies him firmly behind Kobe in terms of best player of the era, and ends any discussion of "best small forward of all-time", let alone best player.

I fail to see how making a free agent move affects any of these things Roy.

It's not making a free agency move that hurts his image.  Shaq did it, and it wasn't a problem.  Rather, it's joining another established star's team, and basically admitting that he can't win unless he's beside two other stars.

I think this absolutely hurts Lebron's legacy.  If he'd gone to New York or Chicago and had won, people would have praised him for bringing those teams a championship if he won.  He still would have been the unquestioned leader of the team, and would have been widely perceived as a savior.

Going to Miami with Wade and Bosh?  He'll largely been seen as riding Wade's coattails, to some extent.  The narrative will now be that he needed D. Wade to win a title. 

I respect the decision, but I do think that the title of "the king" will suffer. 

[Fafnir]

This hurts Lebron's legacy, no doubt about it.  History will probably remember him as the guy who couldn't win a title on his own, so he went elsewhere to have D. Wade get him one.  I think this solidifies him firmly behind Kobe in terms of best player of the era, and ends any discussion of "best small forward of all-time", let alone best player.

I fail to see how making a free agent move affects any of these things Roy.

It's not making a free agency move that hurts his image.  Shaq did it, and it wasn't a problem.  Rather, it's joining another established star's team, and basically admitting that he can't win unless he's beside two other stars.

I think this absolutely hurts Lebron's legacy.  If he'd gone to New York or Chicago and had won, people would have praised him for bringing those teams a championship if he won.  He still would have been the unquestioned leader of the team, and would have been widely perceived as a savior.

Going to Miami with Wade and Bosh?  He'll largely been seen as riding Wade's coattails, to some extent.  The narrative will now be that he needed D. Wade to win a title. 

I respect the decision, but I do think that the title of "the king" will suffer. 

But is it Wade's team?

They got rid of all the players Wade played with. The storyline is crap, Bird needed McHale and Parish. Shaq needed Kobe and Dwayne Wade, Magic needed Kareem and Worthy, and Kobe needed Gasol and Odom.