Ok now, what are some ways we can use sheed's contract ?

[Mr October]

I've got a list together based on eliminating the following:

Our playoff rivals are not going to help us.
Contenders are not going to trade us good players that they need.
EDIT: also this list is based on targeting a SF/wing or combo 1/2

Cleveland: Delonte West (4.7) and Moon (3.0) for Sheed and a 2nd

Detroit: Prince (10.3) for Sheed and a first (plus Gaffney or Lafeyette)

Houston: Battier, Ariza or Jefferies (all about 7 mill) for Sheed and a 1st -> Houston is probably only mocing these guys for a solid bench center, so a 3rd team would need to get involved.

New Orleans: Posey (6.5) plus they give us a 1st rounder or a prospect for Sheed

Philly: Kapono (6.6) or Nocioni (6. for Sheed

Phoenix: Barbosa (7.1) for Sheed and a 1st or 2nd
 ---> or swing for the fences with Richardson by including Davis

Portland: Andre Miller (7.2) and Fernandez (1.2) for Sheed, a 1st and a signed Nate Robinson

Sacramento: Udrih (6.7), Garcia (5.5) and Landry (or Thompson) for Sheed and Davis and Lafayette/Gaffney

otherwise we're looking for sign and trades where I don't see the incentive for an opponent to take on the buyout cap hit in return for helping Boston. I guess a 1st rounder could be worth it for the right team.

I have a feeling the rest of the moves are going to unwrap very slowly over the course of the summer.

[Evantime34]

If the Cavs are blowing it up I would take either Varejao or Mo Williams for a package of Sheed, Gaffney, Lafayette and a 1st (of course I prefer side show Bob).

[Mr October]

If the Cavs are blowing it up I would take either Varejao or Mo Williams for a package of Sheed, Gaffney, Lafayette and a 1st (of course I prefer side show Bob).

Mo Williams would be making a ton of dough for the next 3 years to be a backup 1/2.... Perhaps too high of a price tag.

Varejao would be fantastic if the Celtics can find a decent minimum SF. Perhaps they can work Moon into the package.

[Fan from VT]

The 12M/3yr offer sheet on Morrow provides some interesting options for a s&t, although definitely a limited time opportunity.  

Sheed for Morrow and Wright addresses two needs.  An athletic PF and a deadly outside shooter to provide more rest for our aging Big Three.  GS has been down on Wright and with the additions of Lee and Udoh he is even more expendable.  Word is that they are unlikely to match on Morrow.  Frees them from another $3.3M in salary and the cap is not a concern so some cash for a buyout if needed would probably work.

I'm actually good with Sheed + BB + s&t Nate for s&t Morrow, Wright, and Biedrins also.  I think Nate would fit perfectly in Nellie's run-n-gun offense and I like the fact that Biedrins brings a very different skill set from our other Celtics centers.  Biedrins' contract is a bit long but that's Danny's call.

If there is a way to include Watson in a deal, I wonder if he might be flipped to Indiana for Brandon Rush and Josh McRoberts.  Gives Larry his starting point guard for players buried on the depth chart and gets back some athletic subs with upside for the 2/3 and 4 positions.

Morrow signed the offer sheet so if Golden State doesn't match the offer he belongs to New Jersey. If they do match the offer he belongs to Golden State and they can not trade him for one year. Those are the only two possibilities with Morrow once he signed the offer sheet. He is off the market as far as everyone but NJ and GS are concerned.

It looks like G.S. will not match morrow's offer due to Lee putting them at the tax threshold (so they lost Morrow, Kelene, Turiaf AND Randolph for the right to pay 80 million to "avi" Lee).

However, G.S. has 7 days to match. Now is the time to swoop in with Sheed's retiring contract and take a contract or two off of G.S.'s hands so that they can keep morrow. Wright? he's not a starter for them now. We could work something to allow them to keep Morrow and we take back wright+vlad rad or Wright/Bell/Watson in some combination, or even Ellis if Danny likes him, or Biedrings+Wright Biedrins+Watson, etc. depending on how much G.S. wishes they could keep morrow but avoid the tax.

That's all predicated upon them wanting to keep Morrow and if they do all they have to do is match and their salary goes up just $4 million. If they were okay with signing Lee long term just before the sale of the team, I don't see where a $4 million increase in payroll is going to be a problem.

Thing is though, maybe they don't want to keep Morrow. Maybe they figure they are okay with Ellis, Curry, Bell Watson and this kid Reggie Williams, who they seem to be high on.

I wasn't making this up, i was responding to a hollinger tweet that they didn't want to match morrow because doing so plus the lee signing would put them too close to tax range for their liking. That's why the 4 million increase IS a problem for them: they want to avoid the tax (according to hollinger).

[GreenEnvy]

I've got a list together based on eliminating the following:

Our playoff rivals are not going to help us.
Contenders are not going to trade us good players that they need.
EDIT: also this list is based on targeting a SF/wing or combo 1/2

Cleveland: Delonte West (4.7) and Moon (3.0) for Sheed and a 2nd

Detroit: Prince (10.3) for Sheed and a first (plus Gaffney or Lafeyette)

Houston: Battier, Ariza or Jefferies (all about 7 mill) for Sheed and a 1st -> Houston is probably only mocing these guys for a solid bench center, so a 3rd team would need to get involved.

New Orleans: Posey (6.5) plus they give us a 1st rounder or a prospect for Sheed

Philly: Kapono (6.6) or Nocioni (6. for Sheed

Phoenix: Barbosa (7.1) for Sheed and a 1st or 2nd
 ---> or swing for the fences with Richardson by including Davis

Portland: Andre Miller (7.2) and Fernandez (1.2) for Sheed, a 1st and a signed Nate Robinson

Sacramento: Udrih (6.7), Garcia (5.5) and Landry (or Thompson) for Sheed and Davis and Lafayette/Gaffney

otherwise we're looking for sign and trades where I don't see the incentive for an opponent to take on the buyout cap hit in return for helping Boston. I guess a 1st rounder could be worth it for the right team.

I have a feeling the rest of the moves are going to unwrap very slowly over the course of the summer.

TP, nice work.

I like some of those. Ariza, Miller/Fernandez, Nocioni, or the Sacramento package I like the best.

You really don't think Atlanta would work with us? They aren't title contenders and they are looking to save money. Marvin and Bibby for 'Sheed, Nate, Gaffney/Lafayette, and a future first or two seconds. They save A LOT of money with that deal and still get a good seed in the playoffs and bow out in the first round, much like they probably will if they stand pat.

A second unit of Bibby, TA, Williams, Baby, O'Neal would be pretty great.

Wishful thinking I know, but plausible.

[bagleybeard]

I Feel that ultimately what is done with sheed's contract will be predicated on how the nate/ta resigning process shakes out.  Best case scenario would be getting both signed leaving a sheed trade strictly to finding a wing or an additional big.  Being that they are both unrestricted, can't be banked on just yet. 

If ta were to stay and nate go I like the idea of sheed + 2nd rounder to phx for barbosa.  Gives the celts their primary scorer off the bench who, although not a great distributor, does have a point guard quality handle.  Phx should jump at this because dragic being favored over barbosa at this point, with amare gone rebuilding could be around the corner and they get about 7.5 mil off their cap for next season.

If nate were to stay and ta move on then I like sac as a trading partner.  I'd look to again send sheed and a 2nd this time for garcia and donte greene.  Garcia contract in no way shape or form works for sac's future, at 30 has 4 years left at around 6 mil per.  They want cap space to build around young core of evans, casspi, thompson, and cousins. Garcia when healthy is a long 2/3 at 6'7'' with an above average jumper (shot close to 40%) from three 07/08-08/09.  For celt's trouble of eating up that contract should be able to pry away greene.  Donte would be intriguing because he has eventual starter potential in this league and is 6'11'' which would look real nice down the road at sf especially with a short (albeit talented) rondo/bradley backcourt of the future.  In the mean time he'd be able to provide some minutes backing up at 3 and even the 4 with his length.

 

[erisred]

The 12M/3yr offer sheet on Morrow provides some interesting options for a s&t, although definitely a limited time opportunity.  

Sheed for Morrow and Wright addresses two needs.  An athletic PF and a deadly outside shooter to provide more rest for our aging Big Three.  GS has been down on Wright and with the additions of Lee and Udoh he is even more expendable.  Word is that they are unlikely to match on Morrow.  Frees them from another $3.3M in salary and the cap is not a concern so some cash for a buyout if needed would probably work.

I'm actually good with Sheed + BB + s&t Nate for s&t Morrow, Wright, and Biedrins also.  I think Nate would fit perfectly in Nellie's run-n-gun offense and I like the fact that Biedrins brings a very different skill set from our other Celtics centers.  Biedrins' contract is a bit long but that's Danny's call.

If there is a way to include Watson in a deal, I wonder if he might be flipped to Indiana for Brandon Rush and Josh McRoberts.  Gives Larry his starting point guard for players buried on the depth chart and gets back some athletic subs with upside for the 2/3 and 4 positions.

Morrow signed the offer sheet so if Golden State doesn't match the offer he belongs to New Jersey. If they do match the offer he belongs to Golden State and they can not trade him for one year. Those are the only two possibilities with Morrow once he signed the offer sheet. He is off the market as far as everyone but NJ and GS are concerned.

It looks like G.S. will not match morrow's offer due to Lee putting them at the tax threshold (so they lost Morrow, Kelene, Turiaf AND Randolph for the right to pay 80 million to "avi" Lee).

However, G.S. has 7 days to match. Now is the time to swoop in with Sheed's retiring contract and take a contract or two off of G.S.'s hands so that they can keep morrow. Wright? he's not a starter for them now. We could work something to allow them to keep Morrow and we take back wright+vlad rad or Wright/Bell/Watson in some combination, or even Ellis if Danny likes him, or Biedrings+Wright Biedrins+Watson, etc. depending on how much G.S. wishes they could keep morrow but avoid the tax.

That's all predicated upon them wanting to keep Morrow and if they do all they have to do is match and their salary goes up just $4 million. If they were okay with signing Lee long term just before the sale of the team, I don't see where a $4 million increase in payroll is going to be a problem.

Thing is though, maybe they don't want to keep Morrow. Maybe they figure they are okay with Ellis, Curry, Bell Watson and this kid Reggie Williams, who they seem to be high on.

I wasn't making this up, i was responding to a hollinger tweet that they didn't want to match morrow because doing so plus the lee signing would put them too close to tax range for their liking. That's why the 4 million increase IS a problem for them: they want to avoid the tax (according to hollinger).

Well, could they match the offer to Morrow and then send Morrow to the C's for Sheed's contract and a pick? They get something for him, the pick, and don't add to their cap, assuming Sheed just retires and doesn't demand a buyout. And if they could do this would they?

[Surferdad]

I Feel that ultimately what is done with sheed's contract will be predicated on how the nate/ta resigning process shakes out.  Best case scenario would be getting both signed leaving a sheed trade strictly to finding a wing or an additional big.  Being that they are both unrestricted, can't be banked on just yet. 

If ta were to stay and nate go I like the idea of sheed + 2nd rounder to phx for barbosa.  Gives the celts their primary scorer off the bench who, although not a great distributor, does have a point guard quality handle.  Phx should jump at this because dragic being favored over barbosa at this point, with amare gone rebuilding could be around the corner and they get about 7.5 mil off their cap for next season.

If nate were to stay and ta move on then I like sac as a trading partner.  I'd look to again send sheed and a 2nd this time for garcia and donte greene.  Garcia contract in no way shape or form works for sac's future, at 30 has 4 years left at around 6 mil per.  They want cap space to build around young core of evans, casspi, thompson, and cousins. Garcia when healthy is a long 2/3 at 6'7'' with an above average jumper (shot close to 40%) from three 07/08-08/09.  For celt's trouble of eating up that contract should be able to pry away greene.  Donte would be intriguing because he has eventual starter potential in this league and is 6'11'' which would look real nice down the road at sf especially with a short (albeit talented) rondo/bradley backcourt of the future.  In the mean time he'd be able to provide some minutes backing up at 3 and even the 4 with his length.

 

Welcome to CB bagleybeard.  I gave you a tommy point for a solid first post.  I like Barbosa over Garcia.

[Jon]

I don't know.  I'd love for Battier or Prince to happen, but I don't see it.  I think the Rockets can get more than Sheed's contract and I don't see the Pistons doing it: Prince only has one more years left and I'm not sure they're ready to throw in the towel quite yet.

That said, while it would be great if Danny could turn Sheed's contract into a better and/or younger player who can score off the bench, if he can't, I wouldn't be against bringing Posey back. 

It seems ever since we've lost him, we've been a quest to find someone like him.  And if we can't do better, I don't see why we just don't get him.  His contract isn't great, but it's only for two more years, which doesn't screw up the whole issue of KG and Ray's expiring deals.  He'd give us size at the 3, and would even allow us to play those small ball lineups we used to play, which would help us cover up Perk's absence during the regular season. 

[nickagneta]

The 12M/3yr offer sheet on Morrow provides some interesting options for a s&t, although definitely a limited time opportunity.  

Sheed for Morrow and Wright addresses two needs.  An athletic PF and a deadly outside shooter to provide more rest for our aging Big Three.  GS has been down on Wright and with the additions of Lee and Udoh he is even more expendable.  Word is that they are unlikely to match on Morrow.  Frees them from another $3.3M in salary and the cap is not a concern so some cash for a buyout if needed would probably work.

I'm actually good with Sheed + BB + s&t Nate for s&t Morrow, Wright, and Biedrins also.  I think Nate would fit perfectly in Nellie's run-n-gun offense and I like the fact that Biedrins brings a very different skill set from our other Celtics centers.  Biedrins' contract is a bit long but that's Danny's call.

If there is a way to include Watson in a deal, I wonder if he might be flipped to Indiana for Brandon Rush and Josh McRoberts.  Gives Larry his starting point guard for players buried on the depth chart and gets back some athletic subs with upside for the 2/3 and 4 positions.

Morrow signed the offer sheet so if Golden State doesn't match the offer he belongs to New Jersey. If they do match the offer he belongs to Golden State and they can not trade him for one year. Those are the only two possibilities with Morrow once he signed the offer sheet. He is off the market as far as everyone but NJ and GS are concerned.

It looks like G.S. will not match morrow's offer due to Lee putting them at the tax threshold (so they lost Morrow, Kelene, Turiaf AND Randolph for the right to pay 80 million to "avi" Lee).

However, G.S. has 7 days to match. Now is the time to swoop in with Sheed's retiring contract and take a contract or two off of G.S.'s hands so that they can keep morrow. Wright? he's not a starter for them now. We could work something to allow them to keep Morrow and we take back wright+vlad rad or Wright/Bell/Watson in some combination, or even Ellis if Danny likes him, or Biedrings+Wright Biedrins+Watson, etc. depending on how much G.S. wishes they could keep morrow but avoid the tax.

That's all predicated upon them wanting to keep Morrow and if they do all they have to do is match and their salary goes up just $4 million. If they were okay with signing Lee long term just before the sale of the team, I don't see where a $4 million increase in payroll is going to be a problem.

Thing is though, maybe they don't want to keep Morrow. Maybe they figure they are okay with Ellis, Curry, Bell Watson and this kid Reggie Williams, who they seem to be high on.

I wasn't making this up, i was responding to a hollinger tweet that they didn't want to match morrow because doing so plus the lee signing would put them too close to tax range for their liking. That's why the 4 million increase IS a problem for them: they want to avoid the tax (according to hollinger).

Well, could they match the offer to Morrow and then send Morrow to the C's for Sheed's contract and a pick? They get something for him, the pick, and don't add to their cap, assuming Sheed just retires and doesn't demand a buyout. And if they could do this would they?

Thanks Fan from VT. I wasn't aware of just how close they were to the luxury tax after the Lee trade. That makes perfect sense. It also explains why teams like Orlando are looking at CJ Watson as they probably won't match a decent offer to him either.

Ultimately, they are probably going to have to save some money to make the franchise look better for the sale this summer. So they do seem like a perfect trade partner but then we are competing with Toronto, Phoenix, Cleveland and Utah that now have these huge trade exceptions as well as Dallas who has Dampier's contract.

Could be if they want to keep Morrow they do something within the next few days....

Or they could just let him go, as I said it is predicated on just how valuable they think Morrow is.

[nickagneta]

Also as I have mentioned previously

1.) Morrow can not be traded by Golden State for one year upon matching New Jersey's offer. Those are the rules of the NBA collective bargaining agreement regarding restricted free agents

2.) If Rasheed Wallace retires, there is NO BUYOUT. There are no salary cap ramifications except having the salary he makes wiped completely off the books. And, all indications are that he is retiring and walking away from it all and not asking for a buyout.

[Jon Niednagel]

I wonder if New Your would s&t Al Harrington for Sheed, cash, and maybe a future second to make it worth their while. He would be a nice scorer off the bench and could give Paul some rest. With Tony, Al, and Baby there would be a lot of flexibility for various lineups/matchups.

[SCBirdman]

Also as I have mentioned previously

1.) Morrow can not be traded by Golden State for one year upon matching New Jersey's offer. Those are the rules of the NBA collective bargaining agreement regarding restricted free agents

2.) If Rasheed Wallace retires, there is NO BUYOUT. There are no salary cap ramifications except having the salary he makes wiped completely off the books. And, all indications are that he is retiring and walking away from it all and not asking for a buyout.

Nice point on No. 1. I did not realize that. On No. 2- Sheed can be traded, take the buyout, then retire. I think that is the point. I don't think Doc would have talked about Sheed being a good teammate by allowing us to trade his contract b4 he retires unless this was the plan.

I do think that Sheeds deal will most likely be used in a 3 or 4 team deal. I don't see many options in a straight salary dump/trade for the wing we really need to back up PP.

[the_Bird]

2.) If Rasheed Wallace retires, there is NO BUYOUT. There are no salary cap ramifications except having the salary he makes wiped completely off the books. And, all indications are that he is retiring and walking away from it all and not asking for a buyout.

See, this is what I won't believe until I see it.  Rasheed Wallace is the same cat who introduced "CTC - Cut The Check" into the common vernacular.  Rasheed dogged it through most of last season, what's to keep him from doing the same in 2011 (and 2012) and putting $13M in his pocket?

This is magnified if 'Sheed is traded to a team that he doesn't have any connection to or feel any loyalty to.  Are teams worried about trading for 'Sheed because they cannot guarantee that he WILL retire?  Can a trade be done with a contingency built in, so that if 'Sheed does not file retirement papers with the league within a certain number of days the trade gets rescinded?  

I just have to think, that knowing 'Sheed's history, if I'm a team owner to whom Rasheed feels no loyalty and has no connection, how do I *really* know that he's going to keep his non-legally-binding word and actually retire?  That's $13M, plus cap space, at risk.

[Who]

Golden State Warriors Payroll

Contracts = Biedrins + Monta + Curry + Gadzuric + Bell + B.Wright + Radmanovic + R.Williams = $45.67 million
Draft Pick = Udoh = $3.1 million
Signings = Lee + D.Wright ~~ $15 million
Open Roster Spots = GSW have 11 players, minimum roster size is 13 = so let's say $1.65 million for two veteran minimum contract players

Total Payroll= $65.42 million
Luxury tax threshold = $70.3 million
Available Money = $4.88

Anthony Morrow was offered $12 million over three years. Hmm ... it does take them pretty close to the luxury tax.

Still more than enough wiggle room to sign him though.