Are Celtics willing to pay for #18?

[DavorCroatiaFan]

Ownerschips tell us they are willing to spend to keep us like winners.
Last year our payroll was like 83,8mil.
This year:
18,8 Garnett
16,0 Pierce
12,5 3players (like Morrow,Randolph, Turiaf) for Sheed and re-sign Nate
9,0 RAllen re-sign
9,0 Rondo
5,8 MLE guy- Shaq or someone else
4,4 Perkins
3,0 Davis
3,0 TAllen re-sign
1,2 Bradley
0,7 Harangody
0,7 Erden or some vet.min

Its almost same payroll. If we Sign Ray for 9, TA for 3, use MLE and trade Sheed&Nate we would improve our team alot for basiclly the same money as last year.
Are owners ready to pay?

[KG_ended_Bias]

I actually believe we dont need much other than SHAQ at 2yrs and the midlevel. We dont need Nate at the rate we payed him last year. Im fine with a summer like this. SHAQ 2yrs. 12mil. Ray 2yrs. 18mil. and just one other notable name, a Barbosa for Sheed's contract or 1 of either T-mac at 1yr. 3mil. or Iverson at 1yr. 2mil. non-garaunteed. If we are staying old, we need those type of players willing to buy in for a common goal as Rasheed did last yr. Not types still looking to make names in the league like Morrow and Randolph. They are you still and maybe not willing at this point in their careers to sacrifice points, minutes and starting roles.

[DavorCroatiaFan]

Yeah, but after 2 years of practice and playing with Ray and KG Morrow and Randolph would be 20% better players then in GSW or else...Perfect situation...2 years of learning and then starting role and with Big 3 retiring large payroll...
KC learned from Cousy, Sam Jones from Sharman, Havlicek from Ramsey, McHale from Maxwell...it would be great to watch KG and Ray took Randolph and Morrow under their wings...

[GreenEnvy]

I actually believe we dont need much other than SHAQ at 2yrs and the midlevel. We dont need Nate at the rate we payed him last year. Im fine with a summer like this. SHAQ 2yrs. 12mil. Ray 2yrs. 18mil. and just one other notable name, a Barbosa for Sheed's contract or 1 of either T-mac at 1yr. 3mil. or Iverson at 1yr. 2mil. non-garaunteed. If we are staying old, we need those type of players willing to buy in for a common goal as Rasheed did last yr. Not types still looking to make names in the league like Morrow and Randolph. They are you still and maybe not willing at this point in their careers to sacrifice points, minutes and starting roles.

Unfortunately I don't think that would be enough considering in all likelihood the landscape of the East will be changing very soon. We will only be gaining contender's not losing them. Orlando will still be there, and most likely two teams out of the Knicks, Cavs, Heat, Bulls, heck, maybe even the Nets too.



Morrow and Randolph would be a GREAT move, but tell me again, why would GSW move Randolph? Don't see it happening. Morrow maybe, but not both, unless we swallow some awful contract.

[aporel#18]

I actually believe we dont need much other than SHAQ at 2yrs and the midlevel. We dont need Nate at the rate we payed him last year. Im fine with a summer like this. SHAQ 2yrs. 12mil. Ray 2yrs. 18mil. and just one other notable name, a Barbosa for Sheed's contract or 1 of either T-mac at 1yr. 3mil. or Iverson at 1yr. 2mil. non-garaunteed. If we are staying old, we need those type of players willing to buy in for a common goal as Rasheed did last yr. Not types still looking to make names in the league like Morrow and Randolph. They are you still and maybe not willing at this point in their careers to sacrifice points, minutes and starting roles.

Unfortunately I don't think that would be enough considering in all likelihood the landscape of the East will be changing very soon. We will only be gaining contender's not losing them. Orlando will still be there, and most likely two teams out of the Knicks, Cavs, Heat, Bulls, heck, maybe even the Nets too.



Morrow and Randolph would be a GREAT move, but tell me again, why would GSW move Randolph? Don't see it happening. Morrow maybe, but not both, unless we swallow some awful contract.

Turiaf is not an awful contract. Biedrins is.

You could do a Sheed+Davis+S&T Nate for Biedrins+S&T Morrow.

I'd rather do a Sheed+Davis+cash for Gadzuric+Randolph+future pick, and if GS is willing to do, i'll add S&T Nate for S&T Morrow.

Saves GS Money and they still have Udoh+Brandan Wright+Biedrins plus a really good player in Dancin' Bear.
The C's would get Randolph and a backup for Shaq until the trade deadline, when he would be a 7 million expiring contract.

And having Ray and KG mentoring Morrow and Randolph could be great for the kids and for the Celtics. After resigning Ray and inking Shaq + veteran wing, I'm all for a move like this. Go Danny!

[GreenEnvy]

I actually believe we dont need much other than SHAQ at 2yrs and the midlevel. We dont need Nate at the rate we payed him last year. Im fine with a summer like this. SHAQ 2yrs. 12mil. Ray 2yrs. 18mil. and just one other notable name, a Barbosa for Sheed's contract or 1 of either T-mac at 1yr. 3mil. or Iverson at 1yr. 2mil. non-garaunteed. If we are staying old, we need those type of players willing to buy in for a common goal as Rasheed did last yr. Not types still looking to make names in the league like Morrow and Randolph. They are you still and maybe not willing at this point in their careers to sacrifice points, minutes and starting roles.

Unfortunately I don't think that would be enough considering in all likelihood the landscape of the East will be changing very soon. We will only be gaining contender's not losing them. Orlando will still be there, and most likely two teams out of the Knicks, Cavs, Heat, Bulls, heck, maybe even the Nets too.



Morrow and Randolph would be a GREAT move, but tell me again, why would GSW move Randolph? Don't see it happening. Morrow maybe, but not both, unless we swallow some awful contract.

Turiaf is not an awful contract. Biedrins is.

You could do a Sheed+Davis+S&T Nate for Biedrins+Morrow.No way you could get Randolph AND Morrow, they have cheap contracts.

I'd rather do a Sheed+Davis+cash for Gadzuric+Randolph+future pick
Saves GS Money and they still have Udoh+Brandan Wright+Biedrins plus a really good player in Dancin' Bear.

The C's would get Randolph and a backup for Shaq until the trade deadline, when he would be a 7 million expiring contract.

Still, why would they do it? Randolph has All-Star potential, and Gadzuric, as you mentioned, is an expiring contract. Shipping him off to save what, $7.2 million (or 3.6 if moved near the deadline) along with maybe their most valuable asset (some may prefer Curry, I wouldn't). Biedrens however, would save them 5 times the amount ($36M left on his contract) moving Gadzuric would. That would make some sense, but still I think Morrow is the piece obtainable, not Randolph. Worth exploring I suppose, but I doubt it.

With Curry and Ellis, why on Earth would they take on Nate? TA, maybe.

Would also like to keep Baby is possible, unless we KNOW he is looking for that big payday next time around after the upcoming season.

Turiaf may not be an awful contract (not exactly good either, same pay as Perk basically, more than Baby - much less output), but he IS well overpaid.

[wdleehi]

They were willing to pay last year, why should we expect this year to be different?


But remember, there is a difference between paying this year and ruining future flexibility.

[Chris]

Ownerschips tell us they are willing to spend to keep us like winners.
Last year our payroll was like 83,8mil.
This year:
18,8 Garnett
16,0 Pierce
12,5 3players (like Morrow,Randolph, Turiaf) for Sheed and re-sign Nate
9,0 RAllen re-sign
9,0 Rondo
5,8 MLE guy- Shaq or someone else
4,4 Perkins
3,0 Davis
3,0 TAllen re-sign
1,2 Bradley
0,7 Harangody
0,7 Erden or some vet.min

Its almost same payroll. If we Sign Ray for 9, TA for 3, use MLE and trade Sheed&Nate we would improve our team alot for basiclly the same money as last year.
Are owners ready to pay?

I don't think the payroll is the issue here.  The issue is that $9 million (unless we give him 3 or 4 years) will likely not be enough for Ray.  $3 million will almost certainly not be enough for Tony.  And of course, Golden State are not selling off three of their better young players just for Sheed's contract. 

[the_Bird]

They were willing to pay last year, why should we expect this year to be different?


But remember, there is a difference between paying this year and ruining future flexibility.

I think they'll pay, but they won't be stupid and take on bad contracts for players that would only help marginally.  

I also tend to think they'll be a little on the cheap side for roster spots #13 - #15.  We'll see guys like LaFayette and Erdin and Harrangatang at the end of the bench, both as prospects and because they'll save ownership some money (both salary and lux tax dollars) versus having veteran-minimum guys (or Scal at $3.5M).