Ryan Gomes interested in joining the C's

[celticsclay]

It would be awesome if the C's could split the mid level between Brad Miller and Ryan Gomes. Give Miller  2 yrs/6mil  and Gomes a  3 yr/9 mil contract. 

That is a real possibility. I think Miller will cost around $2 million. Gomes $3-4 million. A little wiggle room on both players costs ... but Danny should be able to, financially, get them both to sign if he wishes to.

Edit: I'm not that interested in this combination myself. Never liked Gomes, too much of a tweener, not a two position player but a player who is stuck between two positions. Not wild about Brad Miller either, too large a decline last season to trust him next season.

I would be happier with someone like Dorell Wright for the same money Gomes would cost. Someone like Johan Petro to take potential Miller's job. Add James Singleton to replace Scalabrine and Josh Powell to replace Shelden Williams. Try to sign Ben Wallace to cover Perk's injured few months and then go back to being a fourth big in the rotation afterwards (otherwise Kwame Brown).

I think Miller's still got more value than that.

I agree.  Miller should command $3-4 mill.  I think even the vet min for a guy with his years is more than $2 mill.  Oh, and Who, I followed you fine until the very end when you brought up Kwame Brown, at which point I felt a little nauseous.

Yeah, I know nobody likes Kwame Brown but he is the best defender + rebounder (as a physical center) on the free agent list under $5 million outside of Ben Wallace.

The truth of the matter is that Kwame would make a fine interim starter while Perkins is out and a good backup center.

Kwame Brown is also one of the better low post defenders in the league so he's a good guy to be able to throw at LA or Orlando.

Kwame Brown is not a sexy name but he is a good temporary signing who can plug a hole for Perkins and give Boston a solid backup center and fourth big in the depth chart. Someone who provides real size (6-11, 270lbs, quick, strong, long) and someone who can be signed on a cost-effective contract.

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I don't see Brad Miller getting more than $2-3 million and I think he would accept $2 million to play with a contender.

The veteran minimum for a player of Brad's experience is $1.35 million

You feel like a troll when you write it, but bring in kwame brown!

[More Banners]

Poor defensively, numbers put up on a very bad basketball team, which skews his value to a legitimate title contender.

Two words for Ryan Gomes: Not interested.

Actually, as a complementary player, he would perform/be better on a contender:  more wide open looks, more easy buckets, better help defense so he would know where to steer his opponent.  His 3pt% might hit 40% if he would've had the looks in Minny that he'd have next to our guys.

[MBunge]

Poor defensively, numbers put up on a very bad basketball team, which skews his value to a legitimate title contender.

Two words for Ryan Gomes: Not interested.

Hold on.  While I question his defensive IQ, I remember enough of him from Boston to know that Gomes is a legitimate NBA player.  He's not some scrub.

Frankly, if Sheed does want to come back and we can't trade his contract...I think resigning Nate and TA, then splitting the MLE between Gomes and Brad Miller might be the best possible offseason Ainge could have.  Miller would be a big step up from Shelden and Gomes would allow Doc to play 5 guys off the bench, which would hopefully prevent him from running Ray Allen into the ground for another season.

Unless we can trade Sheeds' contract, perhaps along with Big Baby or sign-n-trades for Nate or TA, there's NO WAY Boston can bring in a player that's going to change this team's formula.  We'll go only as far as Rondo and the Big 3 can carry us.  That makes getting a real small forward to pair with TA in the second unit very important.

Mike

[Q_FBE]

Gomes might take a mid-level to play for a team like Sacremento. I'm not in a real rush to sign him up. If he is still available in late August, OK fine give him the veteran's minimum.

My priority is to see if we can use Sheed's contract to find big man help.

I also think we need both the Allens back - Ray for Offense and Tony for Defense. Pierce's restructuring should help the finances there.

There is only so much the Celtics can do to address their off-season needs and the possibility a return trip to the NBA finals in 2011 is not really in our hands anymore due to probable major FA shifts.  God, I wished we won that title.

[nickagneta]

Gomes is going to want a bit of security and some decent pay. That means 3 years or more and at least $2.5 to 3 million starting in the first year. If we could solve our big man problem with a trade of Rasheed's contract and other stuff, then maybe Danny does given half the MLE to Gomes and half to someone else like say a Roger Mason.

[Evantime34]

I love Gomes but I think when it all shakes out he will only get a one year vet min deal.

Him giving up money this year is actually a good gamble for him. If he goes to a good team for the vet min and performs on the playoff stage his contract next year could be pretty large. Hopefully he takes that bet and ends up in Boston.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

What is gomes strong points...? How tall, scoring, defense, who on the team is he better than...as for money, i don't want to be cruel, but he is unemployed right now......easier to go for short money, so don't over pay him...! Is he better than daniels....we do not need any more undersized forwards....unless they are at least as good as loen powe was.....!

Is 6'7" really good size for a forward..? To me, that is good size for a shooting guard. Is 6'7" just 6'5" internet style..?

Here's the line:

6'7", 240lbs, 28 year old, SF

played 82, 82, and 76 games last 3 years in Minny (healthy)

Averaged right around 12 pts, 5 rebs in 30 minutes over last 3 years. averaged 0.8 steals/game for 3 years (decent production)

37% 3pt shooter, 80% FT shooter

So these all suggest a very solid backup SF of the complementary player variety, and definitely more than a minimum contract.  Good size, good shooting, coming into prime, healthy, consistent...worth a 3 or 4 year contract for half the MLE from someone.

Is 6'7" really good size for a forward..? To me, that is good size for a shooting guard. Is 6'7" just 6'5" internet style..? What about some 6'9" and up forwards, real size and athletic ability..all these short guys for bigger money......To me, the standard for an extra forward is Leon Powe, 6'8", major rebounds, dunking, defense, extra stuff.....if they can't do that, we don't want them....and as for the three...never really reliable..it is a bailout shot...hardly helps, a little closer D and it stops, better to have a solid inside game with a 10 footer, and maybe the shooter can actually follow his shot too, no one follows the three for a rebound...!

[the_Bird]

You talking about Gomes' size?  He's plenty big to play the small forward (he's a bit taller than Pierce, who I know used to play some off-guard but is really the ideal size for a small forward).  Gomes has always just struggled a bit with the quickness aspect of that position. 

I would like to see Gomes in green again, with the caveat that the shooting guard situation is resolved and we get some legit help up front.  Don't see how there's any ability to offer Gomes anything more than the vet min AND do those two other things.

I'd imagine that if Danny has been talking to Gomes' agent, it's just been to let him know that if he HAS to take a vet min deal, he'd have an opportunity in Boston to get some playing time on a winning squad, in a place that he's already comfortable.  Can't see how he would offer him any piece of the MLE unless Plans A, B, C, D, E, F, and G all fall through.

[JSD]

Would Gomes sign a multi-year contract for the minimum? If so I'd see it as a good signing.

[the_Bird]

Would Gomes sign a multi-year contract for the minimum? If so I'd see it as a good signing.

Why would he?  Unless he got seriously injured, he's going to be in the league in 2012, SOMEONE will pay him to be on their squad.  Why lock into a minimum deal?

Now, one year guaranteed, with a one year player option (at the minimum, or at whatever raise is allowable) might be viable.

I'd wager that Gomes gets the LLE from someone (not us, since we used it last year on Quis).  That seems about right.

[LooseCannon]

Is 6'7" really good size for a forward..? To me, that is good size for a shooting guard.

6'7" is a reasonable height for a small forward.  Most are in the 6'6" to 6'8" range, it seems.  Paul Pierce is 6'7".

Gomes problem isn't that he is 6'7"; it's that he lacks the speed and quickness that you would like to see in a 6'7" player at SF, but he doesn't have the strength to play PF well. 

Gomes isn't good enough to be the guy you expect to win at least one playoff game off the bench, nor does he have the upside to project as a future starter.  I would rather get a bench player who is inconsistent, but promises flashes of brilliance.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Well, that is what i mean, glad you missed it...he doesn't have the speed, like PP, isn't taller or stronger...so what asre you getting at 6'7"...if he is that-short, then he shoul;d be a major jumper, or shooter, or really quick....welllll, he isn't anby of them.....you like him.....some here like scal...but he doesn't add anything...these aren't state jobs, you don't just give em out to guys you like, it isn't "magic" money, there is only one pot..you need guys that really have something, at least one thing that is special.....

[the_Bird]

Well, that is what i mean, glad you missed it...he doesn't have the speed, like PP, isn't taller or stronger...so what asre you getting at 6'7"...if he is that-short, then he shoul;d be a major jumper, or shooter, or really quick....welllll, he isn't anby of them.....you like him.....some here like scal...but he doesn't add anything...these aren't state jobs, you don't just give em out to guys you like, it isn't "magic" money, there is only one pot..you need guys that really have something, at least one thing that is special.....

Gomes is a 'tweener.  Always has been, always will be.  If he were two inches taller, he would have been a first rounder.  If he had the size to legitimately play power forward, he wouldn't be scrounging for a scrap of the MLE or the LLE this offseason.

So, forget that at look at what he's done in the league.  He's an OK-but-unexceptional player.  Hits a good percentage on his 3s (37% - 38%, IIRC).  Gets a decent number of rebounds from the SF spot.  Not a great defender, probably never will be because you can't really get much quicker than you already are. 

All in all, I think he's proven that he belongs in the league, but as a bench player at some figure in the $2M - $3M/year range.   

[Meadowlark_Scal]

well....hey, what do i know of the guy..he didn't play enough here, and the guys around him weren't as good as now..maybe he will do it......could happen..we really need a leon powe type..i know you may be sick of me saying that..6'8", cheap, hard worker, always improving, good free throws, get the other team in foul trouble...good D...now that...is my standard nba 6,7,8, 9, or 10th player......

[LooseCannon]

good free throws

Leon Powe is a career 69.6% free throw shooter.