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Re: Celtics Targeting Brad Miller? Please no
« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2010, 09:40:21 AM »

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A big who can shoot outside, plays extremely physical and rebounds, and doesn't expect to come in here and start is something that I could handle. Say what you want about the guy, but we could have used a little nastiness in that finals. I'd prefer that Sheed played again, but that doesn't appear likely. If not, Brad Miller at the right price would be a good thing. (As much as I hate the guy personally, although many of you said the same thing about Sheed)

Absolutely.  BTW, I don't understand why so many people hate this guy?  Is it just because he was a pest against the C's? 

He is tough, and an agitator.  I think he is the type of player fans would absolutely love if he was on the C's.

Re: Celtics Targeting Brad Miller? Please no
« Reply #76 on: June 28, 2010, 10:23:11 AM »

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A big who can shoot outside, plays extremely physical and rebounds, and doesn't expect to come in here and start is something that I could handle. Say what you want about the guy, but we could have used a little nastiness in that finals. I'd prefer that Sheed played again, but that doesn't appear likely. If not, Brad Miller at the right price would be a good thing. (As much as I hate the guy personally, although many of you said the same thing about Sheed)

Absolutely.  BTW, I don't understand why so many people hate this guy?  Is it just because he was a pest against the C's? 

He is tough, and an agitator.  I think he is the type of player fans would absolutely love if he was on the C's.
It's because several people, including myself, believe that Brad Miller is past his sell by date.

In terms of being a key rotation player, past his sell by date. I am happy with Miller as a non-rotation bench player (third string center) and can live with him as a borderline rotation player although he wouldn't be a couple of notches down on my backup plan list for that role.

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« Reply #77 on: June 28, 2010, 10:25:53 AM »

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Brad Miller's rebounding rate last season = 11.4%
Rasheed's rebounding rate last season = 11.2%

Brad Miller was a poor to very poor rebounder last season. He has declined considerably on the backboards and hasn't been a good defender in years. Miller also posted one of his lowest TS% in years.

I thought B.Miller was a massive disappointment for the Bulls last season.

Re: Celtics Targeting Brad Miller? Please no
« Reply #78 on: June 28, 2010, 10:36:48 AM »

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A big who can shoot outside, plays extremely physical and rebounds, and doesn't expect to come in here and start is something that I could handle. Say what you want about the guy, but we could have used a little nastiness in that finals. I'd prefer that Sheed played again, but that doesn't appear likely. If not, Brad Miller at the right price would be a good thing. (As much as I hate the guy personally, although many of you said the same thing about Sheed)

Absolutely.  BTW, I don't understand why so many people hate this guy?  Is it just because he was a pest against the C's? 

He is tough, and an agitator.  I think he is the type of player fans would absolutely love if he was on the C's.
It's because several people, including myself, believe that Brad Miller is past his sell by date.

In terms of being a key rotation player, past his sell by date. I am happy with Miller as a non-rotation bench player (third string center) and can live with him as a borderline rotation player although he wouldn't be a couple of notches down on my backup plan list for that role.

I think he can be a rotation player for 2-3 months, and then either someone else steps up, Perk comes back, or they make a trade for someone better.  Then they could move him to the end of the bench as a 6 foul guy down the stretch of the season.  And that is all I would ask from him, if they can get him for a couple million or less.

The thing about Miller is that I think he can immediately step in, and not muck up the offense and defense too much.  He is a smart player, who will understand where he is supposed to be, and will at least be halfway decent out there.  Ultimately, they are going to need someone better, but unless they make a trade, or sign a guy like Haywood to a huge deal, they are just not going to find someone who can bring the athleticism and explosiveness they need, plus pick up on the system immediately.

Now, if it is the same price for Miller and JO, then I certainly go with JO.  But I am anticipating Miller coming at a large discount, for exactly the reasons you have put out there.  He is past his prime.  And unlike guys like Shaq and JO, I think he knows he is past his prime, and won't play hardball just to get an extra couple million dollars, at the risk of the contending teams just moving on.

Again, I think Brad Miller is like the 2008 Scott Pollard...except more durable.  In 2008, Pollard was there to hopefully hold down the fort until guys like Powe and Davis could get up to speed (and then they supplemented with Brown).  This year, Miller would be in a similar situation.

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« Reply #79 on: June 28, 2010, 11:49:40 PM »

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Reading the posts here and on blog I can't believe I haven't seen one of you mention how STRONGLY Tommy Heinsohn hates Brad Miller. SLIMEBALL. Actually heard him say he hates him, very strong words for Tommy.
I'm very suprised Danny is saying this.


I will say that Miller is both tough and talented. You guys have to realize he has been surrounded by mediocrity and lack of talent all his career. Playing for the C's would be his FIRST legit lineup with strong chances of WINNING every game played. He's never had that. I think he would fit in well.
Tommy's going to have to "learn to like", I guess.

btw as much as I'm sure The Big Three would like to have Shaq
on their team ( they would love it.)
I really think Miller's more reliable productivity would serve us better.

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« Reply #80 on: June 29, 2010, 07:37:20 AM »

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Again, I think Brad Miller is like the 2008 Scott Pollard...except more durable.  In 2008, Pollard was there to hopefully hold down the fort until guys like Powe and Davis could get up to speed (and then they supplemented with Brown).  This year, Miller would be in a similar situation.

I really think the Celtics should be willing to take a durable big, even if it means giving up a bit on talent.  The team just really needs someone who will soak up minutes, ideally someone who is a true center, but who can also steal a few minutes at PF to spell KG when KP comes back.  That's why I don't like the idea of signing Shaq.

The team needs bodies and I might be asking myself who are the top bigs who are worth more than the vet min but who might be had for less than the MLE so that the exemption can possibly be split between a big man and a wing.
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Re: Celtics Targeting Brad Miller? Please no
« Reply #81 on: June 29, 2010, 07:44:12 AM »

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Miller is a decent back up center.  I'd take him depending on who else is available.  I'd certainly take him over JO any day of the week.  At least Miller competes and wants to win games.
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« Reply #82 on: June 29, 2010, 08:26:21 AM »

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Well, Brad Miller may not be a bad backup PF/C. He would bring us interior toughness, and seems to be a great Teammate. You can bet that in any series with ORL he'd probably be the first to lay the smackdown on anyone who tries to rough up Rondo.

He has a decent outside shot..even hit a few threes against us in 08-09 playoffs.

Comparing him to Shaq? I'd rather have The Big Cactus, or Big Freeze, or whatever he's calling himself nowadays. I think Shaq would be a slightly better interior Defender even at this stage in his career. Shaq proved that to me in both of the CLE VS LA games last year - he did not post great numbers in either game, but what struck me the most was the fact that neither Gasol or Bynum played well with Shaqtus clogging the lanes.

If we end up with Brad, I wouldn't be upset, though - I think he could help us.

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« Reply #83 on: June 29, 2010, 08:45:56 AM »

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Again, I think Brad Miller is like the 2008 Scott Pollard...except more durable.  In 2008, Pollard was there to hopefully hold down the fort until guys like Powe and Davis could get up to speed (and then they supplemented with Brown).  This year, Miller would be in a similar situation.

I really think the Celtics should be willing to take a durable big, even if it means giving up a bit on talent.  The team just really needs someone who will soak up minutes, ideally someone who is a true center, but who can also steal a few minutes at PF to spell KG when KP comes back.  That's why I don't like the idea of signing Shaq.

The team needs bodies and I might be asking myself who are the top bigs who are worth more than the vet min but who might be had for less than the MLE so that the exemption can possibly be split between a big man and a wing.

Agreed.  I would be incredibly scared to give Shaq or JO the entire MLE (or anything close to it), simply because they are both 1/2 season players at this point in their career, and what the C's need more than anything is stability. 

Miller might not be as good, but I think you can count on him more.

Re: Celtics Targeting Brad Miller? Please no
« Reply #84 on: June 29, 2010, 08:52:19 AM »

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I would love to see Miller in a Celts Uniform.  Sure he has given us fits in the past.  But we wouldnt all hate him so much if he couldnt play.
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