Eddie Curry Trade Idea...

[LarBrd33]

BIll SImmons tweeted the following as part of his Celtics off-season predictions:

4b) Possible candidates for a Sheed deal: Biedrins, Murphy, Chandler, Songalia, even (gulp) Eddy Curry (if NYC throws in an enticement).

At first I was like... Curry?  But then I thought about it...

Actually this is kind of genius. 

Curry is only signed through this next season at 11.2 mil.

So...

If they could somehow magically make his contract go away... we're talking about the Knicks being able to easily offer 3 max contracts instead of two.  How much is that worth to them?   Would they dump Gallinari for a chance to sign Bron, Bosh and Johnson flat out?

Boston trades:  Rasheed 6.3 mil, Glen Davis, 3.3 mil

Knicks trade:  Curry 11.2 million,  Gallinari 3.3 mil


Ok... so what happens is Sheed retires and the Knicks instantly free up another 6.3 million for free agents.    Then in the middle of the season, Curry's 11.2 million expiring contract becomes another MAJOR asset for the Celtics. 

Problem is... I think we need to come up with a few million more in salary for this kind of deal to work.  Unless it involves signing-and-trading one of our free agents, the only guy we have who could be included is Perk.  Would have to be something like this...

Sheed - 6.3, Perk - 4.4, Baby - 3.3 = 14 mil

for

Curry - 11.2, Gallinari, 3.3, Chandler, 2.1  = 16.6 mil

This works.

If the Knicks throw in future 1st, Boston would have to do this.  Mid season you could be swapping Curry for a major player (monta ellis or something).  Depending on your stance on Gallinari and Chandler... you might not even need a future Knicks pick.


Why for Boston?:   Gallinari and Chandler are legitimate young assets.  Young players to add to our future core.  Curry's 11.2 mil expiring contract becomes a HUGE asset at the deadline.  You could possibly even work in a 3rd team where Boston lands a guy like Ellis or Tyson Chandler immediately from a team looking to pick up an expiring contract right away.


Why for the Knicks?  Losing Gallinari and Chandler is a bummer.  They pick up one young prospect in Glen Davis and one of the best defensive big men in the game if Perk gets healthy.   Financially, Sheed retires and this immediately frees up another 9 million for the Knicks in THIS free agency class.  The only players they would have under contract are Perk (1 year), Davis (1 year) and Toney Douglas (1 mil).  That's a total commitment of 8.7 million.   If there is a plan in place to bring in Bosh, Bron and Johnson... this gets that done.

[Brendan]

If it's just to clear salary they could S&T Scal at the exact needed price to take Curry and Gal.

Curry is terrible - you'd have to get a first round pick or two, maybe just rights to swap picks... the free agent stew might be a bad team next couple of years if things don't gel right and they cannot get decent role players.

[Q_FBE]

I'd rather have Chicken Curry than Eddie Curry.

One night of heartburn is easier to take than a full season of heartburn.

[LarBrd33]

If it's just to clear salary they could S&T Scal at the exact needed price to take Curry and Gal.

Curry is terrible - you'd have to get a first round pick or two, maybe just rights to swap picks... the free agent stew might be a bad team next couple of years if things don't gel right and they cannot get decent role players.

Curry is terrible... no doubt.  The intention wouldn't be to use him as a player.  He'd probably never even suit up for Boston.  He'd just be a trade asset, because his 11.2 expiring is valuable to any team OTHER than the Knicks.  The knicks need cap room RIGHT NOW... not next year.

[LarBrd33]

Maybe another possibility would be to sign the two scrubs we took in the draft first and include them instead (maybe keep Davis or Perk).   I think a #19 pick makes like 1.4 mil in his rookie season, though.  The #53 pick probably makes like 500k

Sheed - 6.3, Perk - 4.4, Bradley - 1.4,  Harongody - 500k = 12.6 mil

for

Curry - 11.2, Gallinari, 3.3, Chandler, 2.1  = 16.6 mil

Almost works.  Need a little more salary

Then the Knicks sign Johnson, Bron and Bosh and trot out this starting lineup...

PG - Avery Bradley
SG - Joe Johnson
SF - LeBron James
PF - Chris Bosh
C - Kendrick Perkins

Then in the offseason they face a ton of Rondo-esque questions about whether or not young Avery Bradley can "lead" them to a title. 

[Who]

I think Gallinari is too big an incentive for potential FAs to sign with the Knicks for NY to trade him just to get an extra $10 million cap space.

I take that back. The Knicks could sign two max contracts + re-sign David Lee and still have Wilson Chandler. That is definitely worth doing for the Knicks.

[Who]

I think Gallinari is too big an incentive for potential FAs to sign with the Knicks for NY to trade him just to get an extra $10 million cap space.

I take that back. The Knicks could sign two max contracts + re-sign David Lee and still have Wilson Chandler. That is definitely worth doing for the Knicks.

Hmmm ... just paid more attention to the numbers, the finances are difficult. Gallo + Curry = $13.5 million.

It doesn't look like there is trade here. Giving up Perkins would take away a good chunk of those savings. The $5.8 million of Sheed + $2-3 million difference in salaries. An $8-9 million savings for the Knicks. I think it has to get to at least $10 million for the Knicks to contemplate giving away Gallinari ... otherwise Gallo is a better draw than the potential FA they could sign.

Perkins for Gallinari is a risky trade but I would make it so long as the club immediately began a rebuilding process and set themselves up in a situation where they had cap space in 2011 so that they could pursue one of Greg Oden, Joakim Noah or Al Horford to replace Perk.

[Who]

The Knicks have $34.5 million in cap space. Let's say Sheed gives them another $6.3 million + $2 million difference in salaries (Bradley + Perk + Sheed for Gallo + Curry + protected future first). That would give the Knicks $42.8 million in cap space.

They sign two max contract players and then they are left with $10.6 million in cap space. That is indeed enough money to re-sign David Lee.

So the Knicks could sign two max contract players + re-sign Lee + have Perkins + Wilson Chandler + Avery Bradley. That would be a great talent base to work from. I think that has a lot of value for the Knicks, well worth doing.

[LarBrd33]

I think Gallinari is too big an incentive for potential FAs to sign with the Knicks for NY to trade him just to get an extra $10 million cap space.

I take that back. The Knicks could sign two max contracts + re-sign David Lee and still have Wilson Chandler. That is definitely worth doing for the Knicks.

Hmmm ... just paid more attention to the numbers, the finances are difficult. Gallo + Curry = $13.5 million.

It doesn't look like there is trade here. Giving up Perkins would take away a good chunk of those savings. The $5.8 million of Sheed + $2-3 million difference in salaries. An $8-9 million savings for the Knicks. I think it has to get to at least $10 million for the Knicks to contemplate giving away Gallinari ... otherwise Gallo is a better draw than the potential FA they could sign.

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Nah the draw isn't Gallinari... the draw is the concrete jungle where dreams are made of... those streets that make you feel brand new. 

DOn't get hung up on the 8-9 mil in additional savings.  That doesn't mean they'd be limited to signing a guy for 8-9 mil.  IF they did that trade all they would have under contract is Perk, Baby and Toney Douglas.  That's a total in 8.7 mil in committed salary.  What's the cap number set at?  Isn't it around 54 mil?  That's 45.3 million in cap space.   Split 3 ways that's 15.1 million, but in reality... Bosh/Bron probably get 17 mil while Joe Johnson gets 11 mil

[PosImpos]

Call me crazy, but I just don't really care for Danilo Gallinari, or Wilson Chandler.

[JSD]

LarBrd33, you know I love your trade ideas and as a E-GM junky I see where your going with most, but this one is a big-time reach.

Walsh is no fool, Curry has value on the market as an expiring contract right now. The Knicks have the ability to absorb (something I never imagined saying) and will be to turn Curry into some good players to put around the two stars they bring in. For instance, Curry could probably net Turiaf and Monta Ellis from GS right now and that would only increase payroll about $4 million.

[LarBrd33]

LarBrd33, you know I love your trade ideas and as a E-GM junky I see where your going with most, but this one is a big-time reach.

Walsh is no fool, Curry has value on the market as an expiring contract right now. The Knicks have the ability to absorb (something I never imagined saying) and will be to turn Curry into some good players to put around the two stars they bring in. For instance, Curry could probably net Turiaf and Monta Ellis from GS right now and that would only increase payroll about $4 million.

Yeah no doubt they could use Curry as an expiring contract to bring in a guy like Ellis.  I agree.  I mentioned that as a possibility if Boston traded for Curry's contract.  The premise of this trade idea is that 3 of the big name free agents have a handshake agreement to play together (pick 3 of the 4... Wade, Bron, Bosh and Joe Johnson) ...   If those 3 want to play together in NY... NY needs to find a way to rid themselves of Curry's contract immediately and take back no salary.  That trade idea would immediately free up an additional 9 million for the Knicks in this free agency period... which could likely net them 3 of the stars.  Obviously Walsh doesn't do this unless he knows he is going to sign 3 big names.

It's all unlikely.  And if they are dangling a guy like Gallinari, they might just be able to trade Curry + Gallinari to a team like the Clippers or Thunder that has cap space to absorb the contracts without sending anything back.

[JSD]

Oh boy, and this just came out about Curry...

Unfortunately, it seems like they might get just a bit worse as a Chicago judge has issued a warrant for the big man's arrest stemming from Curry's failure to make the last payment in a civil suit brought against him in 2005. Not good.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Even-more-bad-news-for-Eddy-Curry?urn=nba,251391

[Who]

LarBrd33, you know I love your trade ideas and as a E-GM junky I see where your going with most, but this one is a big-time reach.

Walsh is no fool, Curry has value on the market as an expiring contract right now. The Knicks have the ability to absorb (something I never imagined saying) and will be to turn Curry into some good players to put around the two stars they bring in. For instance, Curry could probably net Turiaf and Monta Ellis from GS right now and that would only increase payroll about $4 million.

Hmmm ... Andris Biedrins. New York is looking for a center. A guy who fits into an uptempo team and can play in D'Antoni's offense. Likely available for an expiring contract.

[Brendan]

I don't think Curry will have a ton of value unless you take back guys with contracts that run straight through the lockout. I'm not sure we want to mess up post KG cap space for guys that are getting dumped for Curry.

BTW - doesn't have to be a straight trade either. Could bring in a third team.