Avery Bradley = End of Nate Robinson

[Kane3387]

I think Nate is gone. With the addition of Bradley it seems highly unlikely we use some or all of the mle to bring him back, which we would have to do be he has no bird rights and we are over the cap.

I think most of us realized that we were only bringing one of Nate and TA back if we brought back either. Since we actually have TA's bird rights and he plays the wing position I think he stays and Nate is gone.

No way the team uses the mle on Nate when they desperately need a quality big to replace Sheed and fill in for Perk.

[Greenbean]

Literally just posted the same thing in another thread so TP for having a great mind!

[Kuberski33]

Too bad if true.  I'm a huge Nate fan.

[PosImpos]

Nate was never coming back anyway.  We don't need a 5'8'' shooting guard and we don't have minutes for anything more than a decent backup PG (10 minutes a game).

[Fafnir]

Which is a good thing.

Nate really helped us out in the post season, but I don't want him back. I'd rather try and develop some young talent in that role that hopefully can help the franchise long term.

[Jon]

Probably, though I suppose you could use Bradley as a backup 2 guard. 

Still, it's probably a money/upside thing.  Bradley, at the very least, can probably provide comparable dynamic backup PG play, at less money and better defense.  He can also potentially emerge into a backup combo guard, something that Nate's height really limited him from doing. 

[the_Bird]

I wouldn't mind Nate coming back, but he's going to want more of an opportunity to play than he realistically would have had here.

I'd still love to see the C's pursue a bigger wing (M.Miller/ Outlaw, etc.) and give Avery a shot at being the fourth wing.  If anything, his addition may make the re-signing of TA less likely.  TA's a helluva defensive player, but everyone's talking about how the new kid should be ready to play NBA D from day one.  If they've got someone else around with a little more size to play the 3, and this kid to play the 2/1, TA becomes expendable.

Still like to see someone like Earl Watson brought aboard on the cheap as insurance, in case Avery can't run the point.

[wdleehi]

I thought Nate was gone already.


He is an undersized G that can not play on the court with Rondo. 


Bradley looks like he could be a guy that could both backup Rondo and play next to him off the bench.

[Nut from Nh]

it means the end of Nate because Doc loves to play rookies and Nate and Bradley are just so similar 

C'mon dude!  I expect basically nothing out of Bradley, he can play D and that's it.  Nate may be a S&T chip and that may make sense, but these two guys are nothing alike and Bradley is a kid who can't pass, is turnover prone, can't really shoot, and somehow we're handing over 20 minutes a game to him as a regular season backup to my beloved Rondo?

i just don't see it.

[wdleehi]

it means the end of Nate because Doc loves to play rookies and Nate and Bradley are just so similar 

C'mon dude!  I expect basically nothing out of Bradley, he can play D and that's it.  Nate may be a S&T chip and that may make sense, but these two guys are nothing alike and Bradley is a kid who can't pass, is turnover prone, can't really shoot, and somehow we're handing over 20 minutes a game to him as a regular season backup to my beloved Rondo?

i just don't see it.

20 minutes?   Since when does Rondo only play 28 minutes?


More like 10 minutes, 15 if he can handle some minutes at SG with Rondo at PG.


Nate would be limited to about 10 minutes since he can not play next to Rondo. 

[winsomme]

Avery Bradley is a great value pick. definitely a tantalizing prospect. I think Monta Ellis is a solid comparison. He is electric with the ball and has elite athleticism. also plays ferocious defense.

that said, I was really liking the back up combo of Nate and TA and was hoping they were both brought back for next year. TAs defense was huge and  Nate showed that he could come in with instant offense which is exactly what you need off the bench.

that would leave us with a need at back up SF....with Sheed retiring and Perk needing bigger surgery that originally expected, we also clearly need big help in the post.

so, the Bradley pick is somewhat of a disappointment from a need standpoint considering I'm really hoping we are getting in-line for another run at this thing next year.

my hope is, barring any crazy Rondo for CP3 type move, that Danny can take Sheed's retiring contract and Bradley and turn them into a big along the lines of a Camby. and then use the MLE to grab a SF like Mike Miller or Outlaw. (and obviously re-up Paul at a lower/longer deal and Ray at around 10 mil per)

that gives us:

Rondo/Nate
Ray/TA
Paul/Mike Miller
KG/Baby
Perk/Camby

and I honestly think that Bradley would be a huge part of getting something like this done because IMO he is a top, top prospect....just not exactly what we need right now.

can't complain about the pick, but definitely hoping Danny uses him fill in our ultimate needs via trade.

[Kuberski33]

Just a thought....If someone comes in and overpays for Ray, would it make sense to bring Nate back as a backup for whoever the C's bring in to replace Ray at SG?

[PosImpos]

Avery Bradley is a great value pick. definitely a tantalizing prospect. I think Monta Ellis is a solid comparison. He is electric with the ball and has elite athleticism. also plays ferocious defense.

that said, I was really liking the back up combo of Nate and TA and was hoping they were both brought back for next year. TAs defense was huge and  Nate showed that he could come in with instant offense which is exactly what you need off the bench.

that would leave us with a need at back up SF....with Sheed retiring and Perk needing bigger surgery that originally expected, we also clearly need big help in the post.

so, the Bradley pick is somewhat of a disappointment from a need standpoint considering I'm really hoping we are getting in-line for another run at this thing next year.

my hope is, barring any crazy Rondo for CP3 type move, that Danny can take Sheed's retiring contract and Bradley and turn them into a big along the lines of a Camby. and then use the MLE to grab a SF like Mike Miller or Outlaw. (and obviously re-up Paul at a lower/longer deal and Ray at around 10 mil per)

that gives us:

Rondo/Nate
Ray/TA
Paul/Mike Miller
KG/Baby
Perk/Camby

and I honestly think that Bradley would be a huge part of getting something like this done because IMO he is a top, top prospect....just not exactly what we need right now.

can't complain about the pick, but definitely hoping Danny uses him fill in our ultimate needs via trade.

Well, we're not getting Camby since he already signed with Portland.

The problem I see is that we have two MLE-sized holes and only one MLE to use to fill them.  For this team to be competitive, we need a significant talent backing up Paul and Ray (if he comes back) and we need an even more significant talent to be our starting center for the beginning of the year and to spell Perkins once he comes back from surgery.

[winsomme]

Avery Bradley is a great value pick. definitely a tantalizing prospect. I think Monta Ellis is a solid comparison. He is electric with the ball and has elite athleticism. also plays ferocious defense.

that said, I was really liking the back up combo of Nate and TA and was hoping they were both brought back for next year. TAs defense was huge and  Nate showed that he could come in with instant offense which is exactly what you need off the bench.

that would leave us with a need at back up SF....with Sheed retiring and Perk needing bigger surgery that originally expected, we also clearly need big help in the post.

so, the Bradley pick is somewhat of a disappointment from a need standpoint considering I'm really hoping we are getting in-line for another run at this thing next year.

my hope is, barring any crazy Rondo for CP3 type move, that Danny can take Sheed's retiring contract and Bradley and turn them into a big along the lines of a Camby. and then use the MLE to grab a SF like Mike Miller or Outlaw. (and obviously re-up Paul at a lower/longer deal and Ray at around 10 mil per)

that gives us:

Rondo/Nate
Ray/TA
Paul/Mike Miller
KG/Baby
Perk/Camby

and I honestly think that Bradley would be a huge part of getting something like this done because IMO he is a top, top prospect....just not exactly what we need right now.

can't complain about the pick, but definitely hoping Danny uses him fill in our ultimate needs via trade.

Well, we're not getting Camby since he already signed with Portland.

The problem I see is that we have two MLE-sized holes and only one MLE to use to fill them.  For this team to be competitive, we need a significant talent backing up Paul and Ray (if he comes back) and we need an even more significant talent to be our starting center for the beginning of the year and to spell Perkins once he comes back from surgery.

I agree that we have two MLE holes but I think we actually have two ways to fill them.

One obviously is our actual MLE but the other is this combo of Sheed's retiring contract (around 6 mil) and Avery Bradley to be used via trade.

the MLE would be good to fill the SF because there are some interesting SFs available on the FA market.

that back up big is going to be harder to fill. There really aren't good FAs out there, so I think Danny is going to have to swing some kind of trade....

I guess what he could net is going to depend on how high you value the combo of a 6 mil dollar savings and an intriguing PG prospect. I think these lux tax days, that could be an enticing package for the right team...

still, the first question is whether Danny is actually going to look to move Bradley and really wants him on the Cs.

personally, like I've said, I like Nate and TA as the back up PG/SG...which actually is a huge help flexibility-wise because they are our own FAs and wouldn't have to use any exceptions to sign them.

[bigtyc55]

personally I love the Bradley pick, and it probably does mea Nate is gone, which is fine for me. Anyways, I think Bradley come in and sort of be like George Hill from the Spurs, a 2 guard in a 1's body but has potential develop into a solid PG, very athletic, great defender like Hill, and his shooting will improve and be more consistent (even though it seems like he is a decent shooter)