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Offline Finkelskyhook

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We drafted the Kansas State player with the biggest upside from 08.  

Beasley has already reached his.  A year around a tanker like Jermaine O'Neal couldn't have helped his psyche much.

Beasley was going through the motions in the playoffs.

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I don't think Danny will ever trade for him...  Danny doesn't have his head in the sand, and he values what he sees and hears.  We had the Heat in this season's playoffs.  Danny saw that team front and center, and what he no doubt saw in Beasley is a HUGE waste of talent.  If I'm wrong, I'll eat crow...but I don't see it.

I don't have the link, but I'm pretty sure Ainge tried to trade for Beasley before the trading deadline.

Can anyone else confirm? 
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I don't think Danny will ever trade for him...  Danny doesn't have his head in the sand, and he values what he sees and hears.  We had the Heat in this season's playoffs.  Danny saw that team front and center, and what he no doubt saw in Beasley is a HUGE waste of talent.  If I'm wrong, I'll eat crow...but I don't see it.

The Beasley I saw has similarities to Odom. Lots of scoring and rebounding ability. Excellent agility. But very overwhelmed as a number 2 scoring option.

I bet if he were a 4th option like Odom in LA he would be a valuable weapon.

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I'm not concerned about Michael Beasley "the talent"...

I'm concerned about Michael Beasley "the head case"...

Just because someone here has the title "coach" and claims to "know" Beasley doesn't mean nothing.  I might live next door to Dick Vitale for all you guys know.

What cannot be denied is his mental state...he's got a "history" of mental "issues" which are known.  I don't question whether or not the guy can play - he can.  What I question is his desire - and those are guys you avoid. 

The one thing Red Auerbach said was the hardest thing to gauge (before drafting a player) was his heart for the game.  Well, the one KNOWN quality of Beasley is his lack of heart...  I would NOT make a commitment to a guy (long-term) whom I could not trust to bring it each night...

Afterall, isnt't that the BEST quality of KG, the reason why we love this guy?  Why would we trade for the antithesis of this?
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I'm not concerned about Michael Beasley "the talent"...

I'm concerned about Michael Beasley "the head case"...

Just because someone here has the title "coach" and claims to "know" Beasley doesn't mean nothing.  I might live next door to Dick Vitale for all you guys know.

What cannot be denied is his mental state...he's got a "history" of mental "issues" which are known.  I don't question whether or not the guy can play - he can.  What I question is his desire - and those are guys you avoid. 

The one thing Red Auerbach said was the hardest thing to gauge (before drafting a player) was his heart for the game.  Well, the one KNOWN quality of Beasley is his lack of heart...  I would NOT make a commitment to a guy (long-term) whom I could not trust to bring it each night...

Afterall, isnt't that the BEST quality of KG, the reason why we love this guy?  Why would we trade for the antithesis of this?

...because like Odom, he could flourish in the right situation. Doesn't Odom lack heart too? Yet he is a killer 6th man weapon for LA.

I wouldn't lock the guy into a long term contract though. Just sniff him over for a season.  :)

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Andy Jick, I disagree entirely.  First of all, many of us have been fans of teams around the NBA in which a player with a less-than-stellar background from their previous team, has arrived to make a huge and unexpectedly positive impact upon the their new team...merely because the atmosphere and circumstances are different.

I can't understand why anyone who is a fan of our very own RONDO could subscribe to the thinking that a player's ultimate worth and sense of drive can be determined by the random, far-removed, and often biased fan perspective taken during the player's first year or two.  The Rondo of 2007 was stubborn, prideful, sometimes arrogant, and seemingly detached much of the time.  Look at him now.

YOU may have seen "lack of heart", but I and many others didn't see that at all...not one bit.  I saw a player that simply wasn't ready to hit it big on a large scale, in a very unfamiliar big-market Miami environment.  Having Dwyane Wade as your role model, and being expected to exist as a #2 option on a team with championship aspirations when you're only 19 is just CRAZY to even imagine.  Seriously, how many NBA rookies or sophomores are put in that position?  Almost never...at least immediately. 

I'm sorry Andy (and others), but I WILL take Coach Bo's opinion seriously.  Though I obviously can't verify that CoachBo literally knows Beas personally or indirectly (because this is the internet after all), I will tend to give more weight to a personal viewpoint like that, than something blurted out in rushed judgment by an uninformed fan.  I won't take a blanket comment from a random fan seriously...especially when I watched the same observed player from the same perspective and came to a far different conclusion.  How many times have we heard blanket comments from NBA fans (AND from most on this blog too!) regarding the Celtics' playoffs aspirations..."they're done"..."they're too old", etc...blanket comments don't hold much weight for me after a season like this.

In short, I think Beasley has a lack of direction in Miami, and I think this leaves him overwhelmed.  I absolutely think Boston should grab him immediately.  He has immense talent...and when he gets on a roll, I SEE the killer competitiveness that some profess is missing from him entirely.  It's just a matter of having REAL veterans (no Wade and O'neal do not count) guide him.  Boston is a far different environment than Miami (about as different as it gets), and I feel a bench-tutelage would do him well...no pressure, space to improve himself, and a CLEAR role to play on a winning team...all things lacking in Miami.  Most importantly, tactically-speaking, I think that Beasley needs a REAL point guard to run options on offense, in order for him to play to his potential.  Let me put it this way...when Dwyane Wade is your best point guard, your potential as a second offensive option is not going to be fulfilled very soon. 

I want Beasley in Boston.  Boston needs youth, and talented, athletic offensive potential at the 4 position...and this could be the ticket of the future.  Besides, there's almost no risk...this is a no brainer

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Fair enough...  I'll leave this thread alone.  But when Dwayne Wade calls out a teammate during the playoffs, asking him to give something, that is the one kind of player I would never want as a teammate...

But I now hope the Celtics trade for him...you've all convinced me that he's a wonderful guy that we can't live without. :)
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Fair enough...  I'll leave this thread alone.  But when Dwayne Wade calls out a teammate during the playoffs, asking him to give something, that is the one kind of player I would never want as a teammate...

But I now hope the Celtics trade for him...you've all convinced me that he's a wonderful guy that we can't live without. :)

Didn't Doc [finally] call out Sheed in those playoffs?

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I don't think Danny will ever trade for him...  Danny doesn't have his head in the sand, and he values what he sees and hears.  We had the Heat in this season's playoffs.  Danny saw that team front and center, and what he no doubt saw in Beasley is a HUGE waste of talent.  If I'm wrong, I'll eat crow...but I don't see it.

In the last two years Ainge has acquired Darius Miles, Rasheed Wallace, Stephon Marbury and Nate Robinson and re-signed Tony Allen with varying degrees of success.

I'm not sure what will happen, but I certainly don't think DA will be scared off simply by virtue of a guy being a perceived headcase.

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Andy Jick, I disagree entirely.  First of all, many of us have been fans of teams around the NBA in which a player with a less-than-stellar background from their previous team, has arrived to make a huge and unexpectedly positive impact upon the their new team...merely because the atmosphere and circumstances are different.

I can't understand why anyone who is a fan of our very own RONDO could subscribe to the thinking that a player's ultimate worth and sense of drive can be determined by the random, far-removed, and often biased fan perspective taken during the player's first year or two.  The Rondo of 2007 was stubborn, prideful, sometimes arrogant, and seemingly detached much of the time.  Look at him now.

YOU may have seen "lack of heart", but I and many others didn't see that at all...not one bit.  I saw a player that simply wasn't ready to hit it big on a large scale, in a very unfamiliar big-market Miami environment.  Having Dwyane Wade as your role model, and being expected to exist as a #2 option on a team with championship aspirations when you're only 19 is just CRAZY to even imagine.  Seriously, how many NBA rookies or sophomores are put in that position?  Almost never...at least immediately. 

I'm sorry Andy (and others), but I WILL take Coach Bo's opinion seriously.  Though I obviously can't verify that CoachBo literally knows Beas personally or indirectly (because this is the internet after all), I will tend to give more weight to a personal viewpoint like that, than something blurted out in rushed judgment by an uninformed fan.  I won't take a blanket comment from a random fan seriously...especially when I watched the same observed player from the same perspective and came to a far different conclusion.  How many times have we heard blanket comments from NBA fans (AND from most on this blog too!) regarding the Celtics' playoffs aspirations..."they're done"..."they're too old", etc...blanket comments don't hold much weight for me after a season like this.

In short, I think Beasley has a lack of direction in Miami, and I think this leaves him overwhelmed.  I absolutely think Boston should grab him immediately.  He has immense talent...and when he gets on a roll, I SEE the killer competitiveness that some profess is missing from him entirely.  It's just a matter of having REAL veterans (no Wade and O'neal do not count) guide him.  Boston is a far different environment than Miami (about as different as it gets), and I feel a bench-tutelage would do him well...no pressure, space to improve himself, and a CLEAR role to play on a winning team...all things lacking in Miami.  Most importantly, tactically-speaking, I think that Beasley needs a REAL point guard to run options on offense, in order for him to play to his potential.  Let me put it this way...when Dwyane Wade is your best point guard, your potential as a second offensive option is not going to be fulfilled very soon. 

I want Beasley in Boston.  Boston needs youth, and talented, athletic offensive potential at the 4 position...and this could be the ticket of the future.  Besides, there's almost no risk...this is a no brainer

ducksawse, very intelligent and passionate post. tp for your effort and heart.

i remembe when boston got dennis johnson. he had a long rep of being a trouble maker and difficult to deal with. different team = different responses from dj. robert parish was considered too laid back, lacking in passion, and even lazy by many. being on a good team changed his approach it seems.

and as you point out, rondo has learned and matured.

as for beasely underperforming so much in miami.... i hope you are right about him since it is a shame for such natural talent to go to waste.

if the celtics really can pick him up for little more than money, then why not try him out. if it pays off the celtics then they have a star forward for the next decade. a motivated beasely, rondo, perk, and one more star would keep the celtics in contention.

if beasely turns out to be a woeful and unrependent underachiever then he gets shipped out and bounces around the league. ( remember such greats as olowokandi, vin baker, joe barry carroll, benoit benjamin, stolmile swift?)
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I'm not concerned about Michael Beasley "the talent"...

I'm concerned about Michael Beasley "the head case"...

Just because someone here has the title "coach" and claims to "know" Beasley doesn't mean nothing.  I might live next door to Dick Vitale for all you guys know.

What cannot be denied is his mental state...he's got a "history" of mental "issues" which are known.  I don't question whether or not the guy can play - he can.  What I question is his desire - and those are guys you avoid. 

The one thing Red Auerbach said was the hardest thing to gauge (before drafting a player) was his heart for the game.  Well, the one KNOWN quality of Beasley is his lack of heart...  I would NOT make a commitment to a guy (long-term) whom I could not trust to bring it each night...

Afterall, isnt't that the BEST quality of KG, the reason why we love this guy?  Why would we trade for the antithesis of this?

  I'd be more worried about Beasley "the head case" if he were older than 21. Last summer there were a lot of people here that were against extending Rondo because he had such an attitude problem. Lamar Odom (cited above) is a good example. Nobody's talking about signing him to a long term deal or trading anything of value for him.

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Mock me all you want, but this guy has "run from me like the plague" written all over him.  He's got a mental problem and an attitude problem and a drive problem.

So yeah, I can't stand the guy.  He represents all that is wrong with professional athletes.

I don't mock people.

I correct them when they are wrong.

And you, sir, are wrong.

Coach Bo I love all your posts but this one man I dont know. I think Jick has a point man Beasley is a basket case. KG can't play shrink man. Danny doesn't have time to play shrink. Oh I GOT AN IDEA! Lets hire Coach Bo to be a shrink for Mike Beasley?

HE KNOWS HIM. For the love of God.

The internet is a lovely thing...

Coach Bo is a real coach. And the way he has conducted himself on this blog leads me to believe he wouldn't just make this up to support his point.

If he is fabricating an identity and a relationship, that's pretty sad, but I don't think he is.
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Mock me all you want, but this guy has "run from me like the plague" written all over him.  He's got a mental problem and an attitude problem and a drive problem.

So yeah, I can't stand the guy.  He represents all that is wrong with professional athletes.

I don't mock people.

I correct them when they are wrong.

And you, sir, are wrong.

Coach Bo I love all your posts but this one man I dont know. I think Jick has a point man Beasley is a basket case. KG can't play shrink man. Danny doesn't have time to play shrink. Oh I GOT AN IDEA! Lets hire Coach Bo to be a shrink for Mike Beasley?

HE KNOWS HIM. For the love of God.

The internet is a lovely thing...

Coach Bo is a real coach. And the way he has conducted himself on this blog leads me to believe he wouldn't just make this up to support his point.

If he is fabricating an identity and a relationship, that's pretty sad, but I don't think he is.

  As someone who frequently disagrees with CoachBo, I'd also be inclined to believe him.

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The Heat expected to much to soon from both Beasley&Chalmers their rookie season that spilled over into yr.#2.Beasley would be better off on a veteran team like the Celtics,where the team wouldn't need him to score big numbers night after night.I see a lot of talent that hopefully get used in the right way.The Heat didn't have enough other talented players to allow him to make mistakes on/off the court without being scrutinize.What some see as being a headcase,others might see as growing pains.

KG,Ray & Pierce if all come back would help him get on the right track...Go after him Danny,might could be part of the future.
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Mock me all you want, but this guy has "run from me like the plague" written all over him.  He's got a mental problem and an attitude problem and a drive problem.

So yeah, I can't stand the guy.  He represents all that is wrong with professional athletes.

I don't mock people.

I correct them when they are wrong.

And you, sir, are wrong.

Coach Bo I love all your posts but this one man I dont know. I think Jick has a point man Beasley is a basket case. KG can't play shrink man. Danny doesn't have time to play shrink. Oh I GOT AN IDEA! Lets hire Coach Bo to be a shrink for Mike Beasley?

HE KNOWS HIM. For the love of God.

The internet is a lovely thing...

Coach Bo is a real coach. And the way he has conducted himself on this blog leads me to believe he wouldn't just make this up to support his point.

If he is fabricating an identity and a relationship, that's pretty sad, but I don't think he is.

  As someone who frequently disagrees with CoachBo, I'd also be inclined to believe him.



Just in case there were actually some need to continue this CoachBo Vouchfest '10, I'm in no way inclined not to believe him.

Whether or not Beasley is or will be a headcase remains debatable, and I wouldn't suggest that Andy Jick's points (or those of folks who have concurred with him) are necessarily without merit.  Just because someone knows someone doesn't make their view of him the only viable perspective, though it might be worth taking stock in what said individual has to say.

However, I think we can put the are-you-making-stuff-up-to-support-your-point part of this discussion to rest.

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