Chris Paul on the block?

[Moranis]

Since it is seemingly a money thing we would need some bad salary back

Paul & Okafor

for

Rondo, Perkins, Davis, & Wallace


Shaves a ton of money off the long term payroll of the Hornets.  Perkins will probably be looking for a salary similar to that of Okafor on his next contract and at the moment Okafor is actually healthier so that doesn't affect much from the C's end (they are very similar players) and New Orleans can either let him walk or re-sign him (depending on what happens with the ownership).  Paul is better then Rondo so the C's upgrade there though obviously losing Davis is a bit painful, but he can be replaced on the open market (maybe Ty Thomas or someone like that).  If Sheed retires the C's don't have him anyway and New Orleans gets a ton more cap relief.

[wdleehi]

Since it is seemingly a money thing we would need some bad salary back

Paul & Okafor

for

Rondo, Perkins, Davis, & Wallace


Shaves a ton of money off the long term payroll of the Hornets.  Perkins will probably be looking for a salary similar to that of Okafor on his next contract and at the moment Okafor is actually healthier so that doesn't affect much from the C's end (they are very similar players) and New Orleans can either let him walk or re-sign him (depending on what happens with the ownership).  Paul is better then Rondo so the C's upgrade there though obviously losing Davis is a bit painful, but he can be replaced on the open market (maybe Ty Thomas or someone like that).  If Sheed retires the C's don't have him anyway and New Orleans gets a ton more cap relief.

While I hate the Perk for Okafor part, you say yes right away.

[wdleehi]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5317801


a little more wood for the fire.

"If George Shinn can't sell the team, I think Chris Paul will be traded," an executive from an Eastern Conference team said. "Shinn's strapped for money. He's going to have to move him."

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5317801

i say rondo for chris paul... straight up with filler contracts. the thought of chris paul and lebron playing together is scary.

[RJ87]

Just for the record, if NO moves Paul it would be for financial reasons primarily.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's also a lottery pick involved.

[Lucky17]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5317801


a little more wood for the fire.

"If George Shinn can't sell the team, I think Chris Paul will be traded," an executive from an Eastern Conference team said. "Shinn's strapped for money. He's going to have to move him."

What is the nature of the delay on the transfer of ownership of the team? I thought Shinn agreed to sell his majority stake in the team months ago.

If Chris Paul leaves the Hornets, it's the end of professional basketball in New Orleans.

[Cajun Celtic]

I want to see Chris Paul play without dominating the ball before I make any sort of judgment on him. He dribbles the ball for 23 seconds of the shot clock and then either shoots or makes a great find. That's nice -- but its not exactly outstanding basketball. It's not that hard to average 23 and 10 as a PG if you have the ball every play, you're always in the half court, you can shoot as much as you want, and you're the only one who creates any assists for your team.

CP3 has to play this way because he doesn't have much help in New Orleans. He wouldn't need to play like this with the Celtics, but could if the team needed him to on certain nights. CP3 just wants to win and would fit in well with PP, KG and RA.

[wiley]

I want to see Chris Paul play without dominating the ball before I make any sort of judgment on him. He dribbles the ball for 23 seconds of the shot clock and then either shoots or makes a great find. That's nice -- but its not exactly outstanding basketball. It's not that hard to average 23 and 10 as a PG if you have the ball every play, you're always in the half court, you can shoot as much as you want, and you're the only one who creates any assists for your team.

CP3 has to play this way because he doesn't have much help in New Orleans. He wouldn't need to play like this with the Celtics, but could if the team needed him to on certain nights. CP3 just wants to win and would fit in well with PP, KG and RA.

If you're right about this then I'm wrong.  But my opinion is that Paul can't match Rondo's intangibles.

I think people are in the habit, these days, of thinking of Chris Paul as Rondo plus a jump shot and better free throw shooting.  I don't think that's the case.  I think they're very different players.  imo shooting is the only area Paul bests Rondo.....which makes comparison quite hard....

Certainly you need more shooters on a team with Rondo than you do with Paul.....
So you get those shooters, sit back and enjoy that your team's intangibles via PG are winning out over the PG with better shooting.

How do you measure Rondo's advantage in intangibles?  There really isn't any way to do it other than watching games.....

In my mind Rondo's intangibles balance out the clear shooting advantage Paul has.

[Who]

Chris Paul would make the Celtics a top five offensive team.

His scoring ability, shooting ability, playmaking, lack of turnovers ... make him a hugely efficient offensive player and he would have a huge impact on the Celtics offense.

[Fafnir]

Chris Paul would make the Celtics a top five offensive team.

His scoring ability, shooting ability, playmaking, lack of turnovers ... make him a hugely efficient offensive player and he would have a huge impact on the Celtics offense.

I'd be pretty confident of winning a title with CP3 if Perkins could get back to mid season form and we found another bench big to replace wallace.

[FallGuy]

I want to see Chris Paul play without dominating the ball before I make any sort of judgment on him. He dribbles the ball for 23 seconds of the shot clock and then either shoots or makes a great find. That's nice -- but its not exactly outstanding basketball. It's not that hard to average 23 and 10 as a PG if you have the ball every play, you're always in the half court, you can shoot as much as you want, and you're the only one who creates any assists for your team.

CP3 has to play this way because he doesn't have much help in New Orleans. He wouldn't need to play like this with the Celtics, but could if the team needed him to on certain nights. CP3 just wants to win and would fit in well with PP, KG and RA.

If you're right about this then I'm wrong.  But my opinion is that Paul can't match Rondo's intangibles.

I think people are in the habit, these days, of thinking of Chris Paul as Rondo plus a jump shot and better free throw shooting.  I don't think that's the case.  I think they're very different players.  imo shooting is the only area Paul bests Rondo.....which makes comparison quite hard....

Certainly you need more shooters on a team with Rondo than you do with Paul.....
So you get those shooters, sit back and enjoy that your team's intangibles via PG are winning out over the PG with better shooting.

How do you measure Rondo's advantage in intangibles?  There really isn't any way to do it other than watching games.....

In my mind Rondo's intangibles balance out the clear shooting advantage Paul has.

How often have you seen  Paul play? Paul's a better passer than Rondo, a better shooter, a better free throw shooter, a comparable rebounder, and more consistent game to game (this is a huge, and decisive, factor in Paul's favor). Rondo's intangibles are hard to define but who's to say it's even an overall positive. The guy has been difficult for coaches and teammates since he came into the league (to be fair, Paul seems edgy to me too).

Paul is without a doubt the better player and as others have noted, we win the title last week if he's on our team instead of Rondo.

[PosImpos]

The Celtics are not getting any of the max contract caliber guys this summer, including Chris Paul.

Take that to the bank.

Unfortunately guys, our options are keep the team pretty much as is while adding a couple guys with the MLE, or lose Doc, Ray, Wallace, and maybe even Pierce and be mediocre for a year or two.

However, I hope Danny pulls off a miracle and proves me wrong.

[Rondo_is_better]

I want to see Chris Paul play without dominating the ball before I make any sort of judgment on him. He dribbles the ball for 23 seconds of the shot clock and then either shoots or makes a great find. That's nice -- but its not exactly outstanding basketball. It's not that hard to average 23 and 10 as a PG if you have the ball every play, you're always in the half court, you can shoot as much as you want, and you're the only one who creates any assists for your team.

CP3 has to play this way because he doesn't have much help in New Orleans. He wouldn't need to play like this with the Celtics, but could if the team needed him to on certain nights. CP3 just wants to win and would fit in well with PP, KG and RA.

If you're right about this then I'm wrong.  But my opinion is that Paul can't match Rondo's intangibles.

I think people are in the habit, these days, of thinking of Chris Paul as Rondo plus a jump shot and better free throw shooting.  I don't think that's the case.  I think they're very different players.  imo shooting is the only area Paul bests Rondo.....which makes comparison quite hard....

Certainly you need more shooters on a team with Rondo than you do with Paul.....
So you get those shooters, sit back and enjoy that your team's intangibles via PG are winning out over the PG with better shooting.

How do you measure Rondo's advantage in intangibles?  There really isn't any way to do it other than watching games.....

In my mind Rondo's intangibles balance out the clear shooting advantage Paul has.

How often have you seen  Paul play? Paul's a better passer than Rondo, a better shooter, a better free throw shooter, a comparable rebounder, and more consistent game to game (this is a huge, and decisive, factor in Paul's favor). Rondo's intangibles are hard to define but who's to say it's even an overall positive. The guy has been difficult for coaches and teammates since he came into the league (to be fair, Paul seems edgy to me too).

Paul is without a doubt the better player and as others have noted, we win the title last week if he's on our team instead of Rondo.

Paul is definitely not a better passer than Rondo. They are both tied for #1 in that category. Rondo's passing is absurd - almost every easy layup we got this past year was a result of Rondo's penetration or just a superb pass from him. Rondo is also better than Paul on the glass -- especially on the offensive glass. Chris Paul does a good job on the glass, while Rondo is the best rebounding guard in the league.

Your other points -- shooting and consistency -- cannot be argued with. Paul is a better player. But the gap is not as wide as you're making it out to be.

[wiley]

I want to see Chris Paul play without dominating the ball before I make any sort of judgment on him. He dribbles the ball for 23 seconds of the shot clock and then either shoots or makes a great find. That's nice -- but its not exactly outstanding basketball. It's not that hard to average 23 and 10 as a PG if you have the ball every play, you're always in the half court, you can shoot as much as you want, and you're the only one who creates any assists for your team.

CP3 has to play this way because he doesn't have much help in New Orleans. He wouldn't need to play like this with the Celtics, but could if the team needed him to on certain nights. CP3 just wants to win and would fit in well with PP, KG and RA.

If you're right about this then I'm wrong.  But my opinion is that Paul can't match Rondo's intangibles.

I think people are in the habit, these days, of thinking of Chris Paul as Rondo plus a jump shot and better free throw shooting.  I don't think that's the case.  I think they're very different players.  imo shooting is the only area Paul bests Rondo.....which makes comparison quite hard....

Certainly you need more shooters on a team with Rondo than you do with Paul.....
So you get those shooters, sit back and enjoy that your team's intangibles via PG are winning out over the PG with better shooting.

How do you measure Rondo's advantage in intangibles?  There really isn't any way to do it other than watching games.....

In my mind Rondo's intangibles balance out the clear shooting advantage Paul has.

How often have you seen  Paul play? Paul's a better passer than Rondo, a better shooter, a better free throw shooter, a comparable rebounder, and more consistent game to game (this is a huge, and decisive, factor in Paul's favor). Rondo's intangibles are hard to define but who's to say it's even an overall positive. The guy has been difficult for coaches and teammates since he came into the league (to be fair, Paul seems edgy to me too).

Paul is without a doubt the better player and as others have noted, we win the title last week if he's on our team instead of Rondo.

I've seen plenty of Chris Paul.  He's a major stud.  I have nothing bad to say about him except that I think his all around game, which includes intangibles, isn't as good as Rondo's, not much of  a knock in my book.

 I'm surprised you think Paul is a better passer.  I thought it was sort of a given that if Rondo had Paul's outside shooting talent and free throw percentage that Rondo would be considered the better player....

To me, if you gave Rondo Paul's outside shooting skills he's the clear choice.  Why?  The answer to that still doesn't put him at Chris Paul's level for most people.  For me it does...

[LarBrd33]

Since it is seemingly a money thing we would need some bad salary back

Paul & Okafor

for

Rondo, Perkins, Davis, & Wallace


Shaves a ton of money off the long term payroll of the Hornets.  Perkins will probably be looking for a salary similar to that of Okafor on his next contract and at the moment Okafor is actually healthier so that doesn't affect much from the C's end (they are very similar players) and New Orleans can either let him walk or re-sign him (depending on what happens with the ownership).  Paul is better then Rondo so the C's upgrade there though obviously losing Davis is a bit painful, but he can be replaced on the open market (maybe Ty Thomas or someone like that).  If Sheed retires the C's don't have him anyway and New Orleans gets a ton more cap relief.

Then sign-and-trade pierce for LeBron
Trade KG for a sign-and-traded Bosh
Sign and trade Ray for a sign and traded Joe Johnson

And you go with

PG - CP
SG - Joe Johnson
SF - Bron
PF - Bosh
C - Okafor

Piece of cake.


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