Boston/New Orleans trade idea.

[nickagneta]

Let's face it, the Hornets owner George Shinn is cheap. Given a choice between a contender paying the luxury tax and a lottery team under the cap, it's more than likely he would choose taking the lottery team. Given a mid first round pick and a mid 2nd round pick, he would take the 2nd rounder because he can pay them the minimum and not have to pay them guaranteed years on the contract.

They have recently in trades just given guys away rather than get caught in luxury tax land. Well, next year if they renounce all their free agents they can expect to have 11 guys on the team at a total team payroll of $70.5 million. Their first round draft pick will have a salary hold of $1.9 million. That would give the Hornets their minimum 12 players at a payroll of $72.4 million.

That is probably going to mean being in the luxury tax for a team that no one would feel would have a chance at contending. They probably won't even make the playoffs out west.

So let's help them cut some payroll.

Boston Celtics send Rasheed Wallace and Glen Davis.

New Orleans Hornets send David West and pick #11 in 2010 NBA Draft.

New Orleans then would have Rasheed Wallace retire which would free up $5.8 million($500.000 less than his salary as his slot would then be held by a minimum roster slot hold). The Hornets get a young local product that could thrive in a starting role and who could possibly help sell tickets and get under the luxury tax threshold.

The Celtics upgrade their overall talent level while getting a contract that terminates at the same time as KG's. A KG/West starting duo while Perk is out would be a lot better than some of the alternatives they could come up with through signing a free agent with just the MLE.

It also gives the Celtics a pick at 11 and 19 on Thursday. That way the C's could land 2 quality players in this draft as well taking Ed Davis or Ekpe Udoh with the first pick and a SF/wing with the second pick, like Quincy Pondexter or Damion James.

Then with the MLE they are wide open to do whatever they want in getting the best player(s) to fill holes, like Earl Watson or Steve Blake and then give what's left to a big man center like Zydrunas Ilgauskas or Jermaine O'Neal.  Then resign Ray, and Tony and add a one or a couple of vet minimum guy(s)(Yakhouba Diawara or James Singleton) or  and a 2nd rounder(PG - Jon Scheyer or SF - Marqus Blakely) and the roster looks like:

Rondo/Blake or Ridnour/2nd rounder
Allen/Allen/Mason
Pierce/Pondexter or James/vet minimum
KG/West/Ed Davis or Udoh
Perk/O'Neal or Ilgauskas

Built to contend again yet built to grow youth as well.

[KCattheStripe]

New Orleans has been damaged enough by companies with a Green logo with the letter B in the name, this would just be cruel.

[celticsclay]

Let's face it, the Hornets owner George Shinn is cheap. Given a choice between a contender paying the luxury tax and a lottery team under the cap, it's more than likely he would choose taking the lottery team. Given a mid first round pick and a mid 2nd round pick, he would take the 2nd rounder because he can pay them the minimum and not have to pay them guaranteed years on the contract.

They have recently in trades just given guys away rather than get caught in luxury tax land. Well, next year if they renounce all their free agents they can expect to have 11 guys on the team at a total team payroll of $70.5 million. Their first round draft pick will have a salary hold of $1.9 million. That would give the Hornets their minimum 12 players at a payroll of $72.4 million.

That is probably going to mean being in the luxury tax for a team that no one would feel would have a chance at contending. They probably won't even make the playoffs out west.

So let's help them cut some payroll.

Boston Celtics send Rasheed Wallace and Glen Davis.

New Orleans Hornets send David West and pick #11 in 2010 NBA Draft.

New Orleans then would have Rasheed Wallace retire which would free up $5.8($500.000 less than his salary as his slot would then be held by a minimum roster slot hold). The Hornets get a young local product that could strive in a starting role and who could possibly help sell tickets and get under the luxury tax threshold.

The Celtics upgrade their overall talent level while getting a contract that terminates at the same time as KG's. A KG/West starting duo while Perk is out would be a lot better than some of the alternatives they could come up with through signing a free agent with just the MLE.

It also gives the Celtics a pick at 11 and 19 on Thursday. That way the C's could land 2 quality players in this draft as well taking Ed Davis or Ekpe Udoh with the first pick and a SF/wing with the second pick, like Quincy Pondexter or Damion James.

Then with the MLE they are wide open to do whatever they want in getting the best player(s) to fill holes, like Earl Watson or Steve Blake and then give what's left to a big man center like Zydrunas Ilgauskas or Jermaine O'Neal.  Then resign Ray, and Tony and add a one or a couple of vet minimum guy(s)(Yakhouba Diawara or James Singleton) or  and a 2nd rounder(PG - Jon Scheyer or SF - Marqus Blakely) and the roster looks like:

Rondo/Blake or Ridnour/2nd rounder
Allen/Allen/Mason
Pierce/Pondexter or James/vet minimum
KG/West/Ed Davis or Udoh
Perk/O'Neal or Ilgauskas

Built to contend again yet built to grow youth as well.

I would completely love if this is happened, but not sure if this is that realistic. I feel like even if they wanted to dump west and salary, they could get a younger play with more upside then Big Baby Davis.

[KCattheStripe]

Let's face it, the Hornets owner George Shinn is cheap. Given a choice between a contender paying the luxury tax and a lottery team under the cap, it's more than likely he would choose taking the lottery team. Given a mid first round pick and a mid 2nd round pick, he would take the 2nd rounder because he can pay them the minimum and not have to pay them guaranteed years on the contract.

They have recently in trades just given guys away rather than get caught in luxury tax land. Well, next year if they renounce all their free agents they can expect to have 11 guys on the team at a total team payroll of $70.5 million. Their first round draft pick will have a salary hold of $1.9 million. That would give the Hornets their minimum 12 players at a payroll of $72.4 million.

That is probably going to mean being in the luxury tax for a team that no one would feel would have a chance at contending. They probably won't even make the playoffs out west.

So let's help them cut some payroll.

Boston Celtics send Rasheed Wallace and Glen Davis.

New Orleans Hornets send David West and pick #11 in 2010 NBA Draft.

New Orleans then would have Rasheed Wallace retire which would free up $5.8($500.000 less than his salary as his slot would then be held by a minimum roster slot hold). The Hornets get a young local product that could strive in a starting role and who could possibly help sell tickets and get under the luxury tax threshold.

The Celtics upgrade their overall talent level while getting a contract that terminates at the same time as KG's. A KG/West starting duo while Perk is out would be a lot better than some of the alternatives they could come up with through signing a free agent with just the MLE.

It also gives the Celtics a pick at 11 and 19 on Thursday. That way the C's could land 2 quality players in this draft as well taking Ed Davis or Ekpe Udoh with the first pick and a SF/wing with the second pick, like Quincy Pondexter or Damion James.

Then with the MLE they are wide open to do whatever they want in getting the best player(s) to fill holes, like Earl Watson or Steve Blake and then give what's left to a big man center like Zydrunas Ilgauskas or Jermaine O'Neal.  Then resign Ray, and Tony and add a one or a couple of vet minimum guy(s)(Yakhouba Diawara or James Singleton) or  and a 2nd rounder(PG - Jon Scheyer or SF - Marqus Blakely) and the roster looks like:

Rondo/Blake or Ridnour/2nd rounder
Allen/Allen/Mason
Pierce/Pondexter or James/vet minimum
KG/West/Ed Davis or Udoh
Perk/O'Neal or Ilgauskas

Built to contend again yet built to grow youth as well.

I would completely love if this is happened, but not sure if this is that realistic. I feel like even if they wanted to dump west and salary, they could get a younger play with more upside then Big Baby Davis.

There's the LSU angle to think of, baby might put some butts in the seats.

[JSD]

David bleeping West and the 11th pick? You don't think they could find a team to absorb West and get a pick out of it? He is an all star... NO wants to cut payroll but they're not going to just give away their best players.

Something more possible would be:

Sheed and the 19th

For

Mo Pete and the 11th.

- Celtics move up in the draft and get an expiring for the deadline

- Hornets get finacial relief and a lower priced pick

[PosImpos]

You know the Hornets are in the process of changing ownership, so they won't be so desperate to shed money for much longer.

[dpaps]

I would love this trade, David West is one of the more underrated scorers in the league. But I don't think they would do this trade while Chris Paul is still on the team. He and west have great chemistry and as long as they have CP3, I think they're technically trying to win now.

Now with their financial situation (and we all know the situation in NO is only getting worse thanks to BP) and the great play of Collison and Thornton, maybe CP3 will be moved and then I would bet Dwest would be available on the cheap. Can't see them doing this while Paul is still there though.

[slamtheking]

New Orleans has been damaged enough by companies with a Green logo with the letter B in the name, this would just be cruel.

Oh snap!  too good not to TP. 

[slamtheking]

David bleeping West and the 11th pick? You don't think they could find a team to absorb West and get a pick out of it? He is an all star... NO wants to cut payroll but they're not going to just give away their best players.

Something more possible would be:

Sheed and the 19th
For
Mo Pete and the 11th.
- Celtics move up in the draft and get an expiring for the deadline
- Hornets get finacial relief and a lower priced pick

This is probably a more realistic offer than the original proposal but one I'm not sold on.  Not a fan of Mo Pete and we really need a big to come back in a deal for Sheed. 

[CoachBo]

The bill for the booze it would take to get Shinn drunk enough to do the original deal would negate any financial benefits.

New Orleans isn't that broke. Nobody is.

[Fafnir]

I didn't like David West's play this year, but he still has value so we'd have to send them a pick to get him.

I'd definitely do the trade from a Cetlics perspective, I don't think Shinn is desparate enough to pull this off before the season starts.

[nickagneta]

I think some of you are seriously underestimating just how cheap Shinn is.

Last year New Orleans sent Rasual Butler(an 11 PPG, 3 RPG, 0.75 BPG, 36% 3PT%, 80% FT% type player over the last few years) and cash to the Clippers for a conditional 2nd round pick 7 years in the future(2016).

Getting under the cap is huge for them. There are reports they are already thinking of selling their pick to get out of the draft altogether because they don't want to pay a guaranteed $1,9 million to a rookie.

Mo Peterson is an expiring contract. They would rather trade longer term debt on West than the expiring contract of Peterson, IMO. I think it is a very viable deal though maybe Boston might have to throw in $3 million to get it done.

[Fafnir]

I understand that he's extremely cheap Nick, but don't you think another team will offer up an expiring deal plus a middling player for just David West?

New Orleans wouldn't need to throw in the draft pick for the Celtics to bite on this deal. If Danny Ainge insisted on it, he could find another taker.

[Who]

No interest in David West. Glen Davis is his equal.

West's play has fallen off the map and I have no confidence in his self-centered no defense no rebounding ways ... rediscovering his best form.

I do like their draft pick though. I'd take on West to get their pick.

[Who]

I think some of you are seriously underestimating just how cheap Shinn is.

Last year New Orleans sent Rasual Butler(an 11 PPG, 3 RPG, 0.75 BPG, 36% 3PT%, 80% FT% type player over the last few years) and cash to the Clippers for a conditional 2nd round pick 7 years in the future(2016).

Getting under the cap is huge for them. There are reports they are already thinking of selling their pick to get out of the draft altogether because they don't want to pay a guaranteed $1,9 million to a rookie.

Mo Peterson is an expiring contract. They would rather trade longer term debt on West than the expiring contract of Peterson, IMO. I think it is a very viable deal though maybe Boston might have to throw in $3 million to get it done.

Butler was a role player. West is a star player. A lottery pick is hugely valuable. Two very different situations.

Butler was one of five rotation worthy wing players (Butler, Peja, Posey, Wright, Peterson + Thornton) and they could afford to part with him. Saving $6 million was more valuable than the relative downgrade talent wise to their other rotation worthy wings.

Note: Deemed rotation worthy last season. The past season showed Peja + Mo should no longer be considered that and perhaps not Posey either. Also, the team lost confidence in Wright but he is very talented.