Sheed is thinking about retirement. Questions/Possibilities

[xmuscularghandix]

The prospect of Rasheed Wallace being traded as an instant expiring contract is something that excites me very much.

Maybe this is why Danny made this deal for 2 years.

[xmuscularghandix]

http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/Celtics_Waive_Rick_Fox_To_Faci-118692-25.html

Fox didn’t announce his retirement right away though, it was over a year when we waived him.

What happens if we trade Sheed to a team that only wants to save money, and Sheed doesn’t retire? Wouldn’t they just be stuck with 6.7 on the books?

[JSD]

http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/Celtics_Waive_Rick_Fox_To_Faci-118692-25.html

Fox didn’t announce his retirement right away though, it was over a year when we waived him.

What happens if we trade Sheed to a team that only wants to save money, and Sheed doesn’t retire? Wouldn’t they just be stuck with 6.7 on the books?

There would have to be a handshake agreement with Sheed that he was done. But yeah you're right, there's a risk.

[Lucky17]

Hmm... I wonder if we can ask Sheed to hold off on retirement until after he's traded. This could net us another piece without wasting the MLE.

Even a Sheed for Morris Peterson gives us a decent expiring to use at the deadline next year.

I think this is the most intriguing subplot of a Sheed retirement.  If we know he is going to retire, he would have a ton of value, because it would be even more valuable than an expiring contract. 

Whether it is taking someone elses bad contract to get an asset, or using him to get a good player from a team strapped for money (or looking for cap room), it would be a huge asset.

I'm curious if there is any type of rule against this? Is it not a giant loophole?

Pretty sure van horn was traded after he was retired.

yes he was

That was different. Dallas had his Bird Rights at the time, so they resigned him to a contract with only one year guaranteed, and then traded him.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q89

Sheed has an existing contract that lasts for two more seasons. He could easily turn around and demand that money from his new team, who would have no real recourse but to pay him.

[Kane3387]

Plus Bosh would want to have to come to the Celtics. I don't think he does if Perkins is gone. It's the same reason he doesn't want to go to Dallas, Bosh/Dirk/KG all play the same position and any of them would be out of position at the five spot. Toronto does need D though so I wonder what they think of TA...

The only way I see Bosh in Boston is ONE he wants to come here and TWO Boston was willing to deal Pierce (assuming he doesn't opt-out) for Bosh and Hedo's monster contract. A Pierce TA and Baby + Sheed retiring deal for Calderon Hedo and Bosh would probably be the only way because Toronto gets rid of a lot of bad contracts after the upcoming season. LOL not going to happen.

I think Bosh is a Laker. Bynum for Bosh. Stupid if you ask me with Bynums annual knee issues but Colangelo is desperate for a big that complements Barnagni in return for Bosh. Bynum fits that role when healthy.

If LA gets Bosh at the four with Pau at the 5, Artest at the 3, and Kobe at the 2 then that versatility means the Celtics days as having the most banners are numbered. Pray Bosh is not in a S+T for Bynum or in 2-3 years the Lakers will have more championships than us.

[LarBrd33]

If that's the case, we could package Sheed, Baby and Perk for a sign-and-traded top name free agent (Bosh, for example).   The three of them add up to 14 mil... so we can take back 17.5 mil.   Baby and Perk are only signed through the next season... If Sheed retired, he'd come off the books even sooner.    

Lets not go overboard here.  There needs to be motivation for the other team to do the trade as well.  For a guy like Bosh, I don't think an injured Perk and Glen Davis is enough incentive.

Chris you don't get it.  If Bosh (or Joe Johnson or ANY free agent) wanted to play in Boston, he could play in Boston.  Obviously the first part of that is the least likely.   If LeBron James himself said, "hey Cleveland... either trade me to Boston for Glen Davis, Perk and Sheed's expiring... or I'm leaving you with nothing and going to New York", the Cavs have no choice but to play along.  

The #21 pick, Glen Davis, and the broken body of Kendrick Perkins would probably be a nice enough consolation package for the Raptors if Bosh demanded to be signed-and-traded to Boston.   Is that not incentive enough?  They hold NO cards with an unrestricted free agent.

[Brendan]

There are three ways to retirement:

1. Your contract ends and you sign no new contract. Your team would hold bird rights, this would be like if Scal signs with no one and hangs out as an assistant with Boston, then a trade comes up and we need to match salaries, so we resign Scal on a one year + player option to make the deal work.

2. You retire and your team lets you retire, but they keep paying you. In this case you keep getting paid, but still count on the cap.

3. You retire and the team forces you to file paperwork with the league. In this case you are cleared from the books.

(Not looking at injury piece.)

Another option would be to buy him out. I'm pretty sure he could agree to a buyout in advance of a trade, so the receiving team KNOWS he won't renege. The C's could send the cash for the buyout.

[furball]

If that's the case, we could package Sheed, Baby and Perk for a sign-and-traded top name free agent (Bosh, for example).   The three of them add up to 14 mil... so we can take back 17.5 mil.   Baby and Perk are only signed through the next season... If Sheed retired, he'd come off the books even sooner.    

Chris you don't get it.  If Bosh (or Joe Johnson or ANY free agent) wanted to play in Boston, he could play in Boston.  Obviously the first part of that is the least likely.   If LeBron James himself said, "hey Cleveland... either trade me to Boston for Glen Davis, Perk and Sheed's expiring... or I'm leaving you with nothing and going to New York", the Cavs have no choice but to play along.  

The #21 pick, Glen Davis, and the broken body of Kendrick Perkins would probably be a nice enough consolation package for the Raptors if Bosh demanded to be signed-and-traded to Boston.   Is that not incentive enough?  They hold NO cards with an unrestricted free agent.

 

Lets not go overboard here.  There needs to be motivation for the other team to do the trade as well.  For a guy like Bosh, I don't think an injured Perk and Glen Davis is enough incentive.

The worst thing a team can do is trade it's best player for a hodge-podge of contracts.  That's why Cleveland has come out and said they will not sign and trade James (also so he can't get as much money seeing he's leaving them).  If a team like Cleveland is going to lose it's one superstar it needs to blow the whole thing up and start over.  Hence Cleveland has already begun shopping guys.  If they (any team losing it's best player) trades for a handful of mediocre players they will be stcuk in mediocracy with no cap room and no star player.  Now, I'm not saying a team won't do this.  but it's a terrible idea.

[incoherent]

There would be no risk to the other team.

If 'sheed went back on his word he is making Danny look bad and suddenly no other GMs pick up the phone because he can't be trusted. Rasheed wouldn't do that to Danny.

Zero risk to the other teams looking to save money.

[Yakmanev]

Is there anyway he steps into a PJ Brown sort of role and joins the team after the All-Star break?