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Pierce is unguardable why dont we go to him more??
« on: June 12, 2010, 02:32:44 PM »

Offline j804

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The captain these past couple games has been unstoppable. Getting to the basket at ease. Why aren't we going to him more?

I dont understand at all its obvious Pauls a mismatch for them, last game he was doing great through the first half, then we stopped going to him. Lets force them to make adjustments, hell lets see them try and throw Kobe on Paul I'd love to see see Kobe get lit up. This would also free up Rondo in a pick your poison type of thing.

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2010, 02:39:36 PM »

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The captain these past couple games has been unstoppable. Getting to the basket at ease. Why aren't we going to him more?

I dont understand at all its obvious Pauls a mismatch for them, last game he was doing great through the first half, then we stopped going to him. Lets force them to make adjustments, hell lets see them try and throw Kobe on Paul I'd love to see see Kobe get lit up. This would also free up Rondo in a pick your poison type of thing.



I too was wondering why we went away from him after his excellent 1st quarter. If Paul is feeling it, I want him to put up 20 shots. (The same goes for anyone who gets hot).

And if no one is hot, I want KG in the post or Paul/Rondo on the drive.

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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2010, 03:16:08 PM »

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There's no need to wonder why.

Our team offensive philosophy is the make extra passes and score together as a team.

Everyone is going to get touches, not just one, two, or three main guys like back in 2008.


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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2010, 03:22:53 PM »

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There's no need to wonder why.

Our team offensive philosophy is the make extra passes and score together as a team.

Everyone is going to get touches, not just one, two, or three main guys like back in 2008.



Although, in the case of game 4, Pierce barely got touches for long stretches. You have to at least let your hot guys touch the ball.

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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2010, 03:31:58 PM »

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I dont understand at all its obvious Pauls a mismatch for them, last game he was doing great through the first half, then we stopped going to him.

Doc acknowledged that he made a mistake going away from Paul during the post-game press conference. I forget the reporters exact wording of the question but it was well phrased instead of the "old what were you thinking"?
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2010, 04:13:26 PM »

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Pierce is guardable. That is exactly the problem. We stopped running plays to get him open. Without those plays, Artest can defend him quite well.

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2010, 04:38:51 PM »

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Pierce is guardable. That is exactly the problem. We stopped running plays to get him open. Without those plays, Artest can defend him quite well.

We didn't just stop running plays for him we stopped getting him the ball.  I agree with the original poster, unlike game two with Ray and game three with Kevin, we went away from the hot hand.  It's been said all series that we have to get Paul more touches, so we come out in game four running the pick and roll and doing just that and after halftime it's like we forgot about him altoghether. He finished the night with only 12 shots even though he was our only offense in the starting lineup.  There's no excuse for that.  Doc and Rondo have to do a better job.

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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2010, 04:42:44 PM »

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Pierce is guardable. That is exactly the problem. We stopped running plays to get him open. Without those plays, Artest can defend him quite well.

Paul has blown by Artest on a good number of plays without any sort of screen or help. I'd say Pierce is only guardable by Lebron when he is actually ON.

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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2010, 06:24:34 PM »

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Pierce is guardable. That is exactly the problem. We stopped running plays to get him open. Without those plays, Artest can defend him quite well.

We didn't just stop running plays for him we stopped getting him the ball.  I agree with the original poster, unlike game two with Ray and game three with Kevin, we went away from the hot hand.  It's been said all series that we have to get Paul more touches, so we come out in game four running the pick and roll and doing just that and after halftime it's like we forgot about him altoghether. He finished the night with only 12 shots even though he was our only offense in the starting lineup.  There's no excuse for that.  Doc and Rondo have to do a better job.

I've been saying this for the last couple of days.  I thought we lost game 3 because we failed to go to Paul after he had hit three 3's and Rondo kept feeding Ray, who hadn't hit a shot all night! They could have also went to KG, who was hot all night, but for some reason, Rondo just kept trying to find ray. ::)  Although Doc has been great, I thought that was poor coaching (unless it was Rondo's decision).
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2010, 06:58:39 PM »

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Pierce is guardable. That is exactly the problem. We stopped running plays to get him open. Without those plays, Artest can defend him quite well.

We didn't just stop running plays for him we stopped getting him the ball.  I agree with the original poster, unlike game two with Ray and game three with Kevin, we went away from the hot hand.  It's been said all series that we have to get Paul more touches, so we come out in game four running the pick and roll and doing just that and after halftime it's like we forgot about him altoghether. He finished the night with only 12 shots even though he was our only offense in the starting lineup.  There's no excuse for that.  Doc and Rondo have to do a better job.

I've been saying this for the last couple of days.  I thought we lost game 3 because we failed to go to Paul after he had hit three 3's and Rondo kept feeding Ray, who hadn't hit a shot all night! They could have also went to KG, who was hot all night, but for some reason, Rondo just kept trying to find ray. ::)  Although Doc has been great, I thought that was poor coaching (unless it was Rondo's decision).

You can't really blame Rondo for creativel finding opportunities for the best 3-pt shooter of all time. If Ray wasn't feeling it, he should have made the extra pass. Ray, however, has had some of his best moments when he has been off through out a game.

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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2010, 07:37:43 PM »

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There's 2 ways to stop Ray: 1.) he misses shots and stops himself, 2.) defenses keys to stop our screens for Ray, meaning a 2nd defender jumps out to block the passing lane allowing the screened defender time to catch back up to get into Ray's mug.

It's very difficult to stop Pierce, you can try to triple team him and force him to drive into traffic for turnovers, but a lot of the times he makes the right passes and decisions with the ball getting his mates easy baskets.

A Pierce-centric offense is very effective and it's basically how we've built team "offenses" throughout Pierce's early career.


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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2010, 08:21:34 PM »

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Why aren't we going to him more?


Because it is hard to feed someone the rock from the couch.

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2010, 09:40:58 PM »

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Is it me or has Pierce been getting to his spots pretty easily even with Artest all over him?
We need to find a good balance between getting everyone involved and getting the guy in the groove the ball. Sometimes we do a good job feeding the hot hand then other times someone has a great quarter and touches the ball 3 times the rest of the game.
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2010, 09:58:39 PM »

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Only in game 4 really. Other games he settled, didnt find his spots or took it to the rack. But I think he and Doc figured this out.

Similar to Game 3, I think Paul starts off hot, and KG and Ray play well. Starters win Game 5.

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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2010, 10:16:56 PM »

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Pierce is guardable. That is exactly the problem. We stopped running plays to get him open. Without those plays, Artest can defend him quite well.

Paul has blown by Artest on a good number of plays without any sort of screen or help. I'd say Pierce is only guardable by Lebron when he is actually ON.

Exactly not taking anything away from Artests defense but he can NOT guard Pierce
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