imagine if boston would have traded ray allen?

[studstar]

excellent point cman. if ray was willing to do a Z on Boston, i'd give it a go

[greg683x]

I'm more than happy to admit I was foaming at the mouth when those rumors were flying around that we could land both Jamison and Butler in a potential Ray Allen trade.

Like everyone else has said though, I'm glad we didnt.

[MaxwellSmart86]

Chris Mannix on Sports Tonight said that Ray Allen is NOW looking for a 5 Year $75 Million Dollar contract---after that performance last night---HUH?

No, Really-- he said it to Michael Holley...and he said some team will give it to him...But, the C's only want to give him a 3 year deal.

[Roy Hobbs]

Ray isn't going to get 5 years, $75 million.  That's absurd, and I'm doubtful that that's what he's asking for.

[ibby]

No. C'mon! If this team wins you bring them back no matter what. Even at this point, you have to bring the team back and give them another chance.

Who knows, KG might not be fully recovered yet,Rondo is getting better, and perk, give them a chance to defend the title.

You don't blow up a team that won the title. That's just flat out STUPID.

Look at what Orlando did, made it too the final, thought they made moves that would have put them over the top, and it failed. You don't blow up a good thing.

This starting 5 has still never lost a playoff series you dont throw that away. They've proved they still got it.

That's how we got into the mess with the 90s when we refused to trade McHale.  I would love to keep this squad together until they die, but we always knew there was a 3 year window.  Unfortunately its about selling high.  As far as I'm concerned only Rondo is untouchable, Perkins is touchable (but it would have to be a great deal)

Completely agree. I don't why People are fascinated with 'Rebuilding'. What's the allure? Ray would still be making 3's long after Rondo retires. Starting 5 chemistry is priceless. You can tweak the team with the draft (#19) and using the MLE wisely & give another shot at contending.

The only problem I see there is that someone at #19 may either (a) not be able to contribute immediately or (b) ever be able to contribute. Yes Ainge has shown a propensity for drafting well in the later first round, but it is a lot of luck in the draft especially outside of the top 5 picks.

Imagine if Boston would have traded Ray Allen (say to the Wizards for Butler) and then Ray was bought out and ended up back with the Celtics (sort of like what happened with Zydrunas Ilgauskas).

It was the Celtics, with Gary Payton, who ended up being the catalyst for the 30 day rule.  (Payton was traded to the Hawks for Antoine Walker, then was bought out and returned to the C's in what seemed like a few hours).  I would have laughed if they had somehow managed that though.

[Mad Hatter]

Never was on board to trade Ray...for some reason I don't want to trade any of the big 3. I know it might sound silly and all, but these guys got us a championship after 22 yrs and deserve to retire as a Celtic.

Having said that...props to D. Angie and Doc for always believing in the team.

TP. always felt the same way as well. i want the Big 3 to retire together in Celtic green.

[MaxwellSmart86]

Ray isn't going to get 5 years, $75 million.  That's absurd, and I'm doubtful that that's what he's asking for.

I agree with you...but Mannix did say this---I have no idea where he's getting his info from....Ray's worth maybe 3 years @ $10 mil per.

[Who]

Ray isn't going to get 5 years, $75 million.  That's absurd, and I'm doubtful that that's what he's asking for.

After Ray's playoff performances and a huge Finals series that he should have ... Ray is probably looking at Manu Ginobili money now. $35-40 million over three years.

I think Ray has increased (or will increase) his price tag by a big amount by the time this series is over.

[Roy Hobbs]

Ray isn't going to get 5 years, $75 million.  That's absurd, and I'm doubtful that that's what he's asking for.

After Ray's playoff performances and a huge Finals series that he should have ... Ray is probably looking at Manu Ginobili money now. $35-40 million over three years.

I think Ray has increased (or will increase) his price tag by a big amount by the time this series is over.

Yeah, I can see maybe $12 million per season for three years.  I can't see a team offering more guaranteed years than that, though.

[Who]

Ray isn't going to get 5 years, $75 million.  That's absurd, and I'm doubtful that that's what he's asking for.

After Ray's playoff performances and a huge Finals series that he should have ... Ray is probably looking at Manu Ginobili money now. $35-40 million over three years.

I think Ray has increased (or will increase) his price tag by a big amount by the time this series is over.

Yeah, I can see maybe $12 million per season for three years.  I can't see a team offering more guaranteed years than that, though.

I am starting to get worried about Danny giving Ray a third season.

I didn't think it was likely a few months ago but with Ray playing at the level he has playing at it's ... it's looking like a real possibility now.

[Roy Hobbs]

Ray isn't going to get 5 years, $75 million.  That's absurd, and I'm doubtful that that's what he's asking for.

After Ray's playoff performances and a huge Finals series that he should have ... Ray is probably looking at Manu Ginobili money now. $35-40 million over three years.

I think Ray has increased (or will increase) his price tag by a big amount by the time this series is over.

Yeah, I can see maybe $12 million per season for three years.  I can't see a team offering more guaranteed years than that, though.

I am starting to get worried about Danny giving Ray a third season.

I didn't think it was likely a few months ago but with Ray playing at the level he has playing at it's ... it's looking like a real possibility now.

I don't love the idea of a third season, either.  Maybe a partially guaranteed deal in the third year, since that preserves some of our cap flexibility.

Of course, what we do with Ray this year will largely be dependent upon the team's plans for Pierce and this year's MLE.

[Drucci]

Mannix said that "some GM" told him that Ray will probably look for this 5 year offer, that will be his starting price in negociations according to him. But frankly I don't know if Ray really thinks he can get that type of contract and I don't think any team will offer him that kind of money (and length) at his age.

You can watch Mannix's interview here : http://player.theplatform.com/ps/player/pds/Oh9kf-aW0z&pid=GHj1h6un7c9vZal_UKCOKMwU6b_5mqEi

To me, it's just speculation. But it's obvious Ray's performances in the Finals (assuming he keeps it up and I think he will) only increase his value.

I really hope Danny re-signs him this summer whatever the price and the years are. He is too valuable for us to let him go (not to mention the fact that I would hate to see my favorite player go to another team). I think you give him the third year if he asks for it, the guy deserves it.

[slamtheking]

Ray isn't going to get 5 years, $75 million.  That's absurd, and I'm doubtful that that's what he's asking for.

After Ray's playoff performances and a huge Finals series that he should have ... Ray is probably looking at Manu Ginobili money now. $35-40 million over three years.

I think Ray has increased (or will increase) his price tag by a big amount by the time this series is over.

Yeah, I can see maybe $12 million per season for three years.  I can't see a team offering more guaranteed years than that, though.

I am starting to get worried about Danny giving Ray a third season.

I didn't think it was likely a few months ago but with Ray playing at the level he has playing at it's ... it's looking like a real possibility now.

I don't love the idea of a third season, either.  Maybe a partially guaranteed deal in the third year, since that preserves some of our cap flexibility.

Of course, what we do with Ray this year will largely be dependent upon the team's plans for Pierce and this year's MLE.

agreed.  I was hoping for a 2-year deal at around 7-8 mill per based on his play prior to the trading deadline.  If he continues to play well in the finals, that annual salary will climb and the years he can get.  I hope Danny doesn't lock him in for more than 3 and certainly not at that rumored asking price.  10 mill per year would hopefully do it.  By that last year, Ray should be coming off the bench-->if the C's can't do better than a 38-year-old as their starting SG, Danny hasn't been doing his job in keeping the talent flowing into the team's roster.
Of course, it depends how KG and PP are looking in the finals that will drive whether Danny holds this team together for 3 years or more or start rebuilding in 2 years when KG and Sheed are expiring deals.

[Roy Hobbs]

No. C'mon! If this team wins you bring them back no matter what. Even at this point, you have to bring the team back and give them another chance.

Who knows, KG might not be fully recovered yet,Rondo is getting better, and perk, give them a chance to defend the title.

You don't blow up a team that won the title. That's just flat out STUPID.

Look at what Orlando did, made it too the final, thought they made moves that would have put them over the top, and it failed. You don't blow up a good thing.

This starting 5 has still never lost a playoff series you dont throw that away. They've proved they still got it.

That's how we got into the mess with the 90s when we refused to trade McHale.  I would love to keep this squad together until they die, but we always knew there was a 3 year window.  Unfortunately its about selling high.  As far as I'm concerned only Rondo is untouchable, Perkins is touchable (but it would have to be a great deal)

Let's say we trade McHale.  What's the net result?  Do we win more titles?  I don't think so.  That being the case, what would the point have been in breaking up the Big Three earlier?

People are in such a rush to rebuild, when the result of rebuilding only have, what, a 10% chance of getting a team to championship contention?  I mean, if rebuilding had even an above-average chance of working out, you'd think you would see results of that somewhere.

Since rebuilding will likely fail, why not see how long the window actually stays open for, rather than putting artificial boundaries on it like three years.  It's looking very possible that our primary competition in the East -- Orlando, Atlanta, and maybe Cleveland -- could all be weakened next season.  Why not explore the opportunity of bringing the team back and seeing how far they can get next year, then?

[celticmaestro]

I think the only way DA would have moved Ray is if he'd have come back here like Ilgauskas for the Cavs and Payton a few years back for us. No way he signs off on a trade dismantling this team midway through a season, no matter how bad we looked.