I hope Shelden Williams never plays for the Celtics ever again

[celticsclay]

I'm not sure we can afford to not play him with all touch fouls being called but, he has to play some better minutes. The first in bounds pass Kobe stole and scored was one thing, he then did the same exact thing and lucky for the C's there wasn't any time left.  I think the moment got to him and he froze.  ' Fans ' need to realize how important being able to play on the big stage is.  That is certainly not something every player can do and the main reason the Sheed pick up was so big.  For all BBDs fault (few actually) he's never been a player that shies away from the moment. In fact he plays better in crucial situations.  

Along with Ray and Rondo the bench was the 3rd portion of the big 3 tonight.

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Go C's.

Ill say the second pass was irrelevant. There was only .2 left which according to nba rules is impossible for a player to do a catch and shot (which is what the laker player attempted and would have been impossible to "tip in" from halfcourt). The first pass was obviously also and he probably was not ready to play. However, as a 5th big most teams are a lot worse off. Who is the Lakers 5th big anyways? Josh Powell? DJ Mbenga? I would rather have Sheldon.

[gar]

He was able to play with Gasol and Bynum for meaningful minutes. Even the network guys were giving him props. Two/three bone head plays later he is persona non grata. I admit I did yell at the TV long and hard after the inbound play; but give he did OK for someone who has seen very few meaningful minutes. TA had a bunch of bone head plays in game one and now he is being praised for his defense on Kobe. Give the guy a chance (not in the playoffs preferably).

[More Banners]

I want more Scali!!!

Now we're talkin'.

Seriously, evaluating Scal needs to be kept in persepctive.  He's not a top-8 or 9 rotation guy, but as 11th man, I think he has a more overall-average (read: less flawed) game than either Finley (no defense) or Shelden.  Yet, Fins and Shel dress, and Scal claps.  It's pretty clear that, two games into the series, we're going to need our 10th, 11th, and 12th player in the rotation to play some important, though spot, minutes.  So far, both Fins and Shelden haven't cut it.

[celticsclay]

I want more Scali!!!

Now we're talkin'.

Seriously, evaluating Scal needs to be kept in persepctive.  He's not a top-8 or 9 rotation guy, but as 11th man, I think he has a more overall-average (read: less flawed) game than either Finley (no defense) or Shelden.  Yet, Fins and Shel dress, and Scal claps.  It's pretty clear that, two games into the series, we're going to need our 10th, 11th, and 12th player in the rotation to play some important, though spot, minutes.  So far, both Fins and Shelden haven't cut it.

I wonder if we could have had a better buyout player then Finley. On first reaction you would think yes definitely. However, of the players that ended up being bought out I cant really think of someone that would have been better off my head besides big z. Am I missing someone?

[Bankshot]

I'm not sure we can afford to not play him with all touch fouls being called but, he has to play some better minutes. The first in bounds pass Kobe stole and scored was one thing, he then did the same exact thing and lucky for the C's there wasn't any time left.  I think the moment got to him and he froze.  ' Fans ' need to realize how important being able to play on the big stage is.  That is certainly not something every player can do and the main reason the Sheed pick up was so big.  For all BBDs fault (few actually) he's never been a player that shies away from the moment. In fact he plays better in crucial situations.  

Along with Ray and Rondo the bench was the 3rd portion of the big 3 tonight.

1-1

Go C's.

Ill say the second pass was irrelevant. There was only .2 left which according to nba rules is impossible for a player to do a catch and shot (which is what the laker player attempted and would have been impossible to "tip in" from halfcourt). The first pass was obviously also and he probably was not ready to play. However, as a 5th big most teams are a lot worse off. Who is the Lakers 5th big anyways? Josh Powell? DJ Mbenga? I would rather have Sheldon.

Yes, that second pass was irrelevant ONLY because of how much time was left, but what if there was more time? I'm sure Shelden wasn't thinking "let me throw this ball away since there's not enough time left anyway."  I just think Shelden is not cut out for the big stage.  He wet his pants big time.

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I want more Scali!!!

Now we're talkin'.

Seriously, evaluating Scal needs to be kept in persepctive.  He's not a top-8 or 9 rotation guy, but as 11th man, I think he has a more overall-average (read: less flawed) game than either Finley (no defense) or Shelden.  Yet, Fins and Shel dress, and Scal claps.  It's pretty clear that, two games into the series, we're going to need our 10th, 11th, and 12th player in the rotation to play some important, though spot, minutes.  So far, both Fins and Shelden haven't cut it.

I wonder if we could have had a better buyout player then Finley. On first reaction you would think yes definitely. However, of the players that ended up being bought out I cant really think of someone that would have been better off my head besides big z. Am I missing someone?

I don't really think so.  It didn't seem like a great year for post-deadline buyouts.  That's the bad news:  I don't think there was anyone better than Scal available. 

Still, I don't see why, after game 1, that Fins dressed for game 2.  I think the only reason is if he may be needed for a last-second, get all the best shooters you can on the floor-type of play.  Ditto for Shelden:  he's more physical than Scal, but not a better player.  Over even a 5 minute stretch, the better overall player is probably our safer bet in this (tight) series.  Oddly enough, that's Scal, and with the way fouls have been called, he may be needed.

[TheTruth34]

Shelden is supposed to be Powe's replacement but he's is awful.  They signed him to a one year deal for 825K, and the Cavs signed Powe for a two year deal with approximately the same annual value.   I'd much rather have Powe in limited minutes.

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, he didn't play well, that's for sure, but I can't give up on the man.

At least we won - Sheed, Glen and Nate were great off the bench! We are apparently deeper than LA in that regard....so far.

[the_Bird]

I'd wager that if Sheldon gets any more playing time, he won't play as badly as he did last night.  He clearly wasn't ready to play, which is about as egregious a sin as it gets from your bench players.  He BETTER be read if Doc has to call his number again, but I think he blew his chance.  If Perk gets ejected, and 'Sheed's spine implodes, and BBD fouls out, and KG's arms both fall off...  well, I'm thinking we'll see smallball with Nate Robinson at the power forward before we see Sheldon Williams get meaningful playing time again this series.

[Chris]

I'd wager that if Sheldon gets any more playing time, he won't play as badly as he did last night.  He clearly wasn't ready to play, which is about as egregious a sin as it gets from your bench players.  He BETTER be read if Doc has to call his number again, but I think he blew his chance.  If Perk gets ejected, and 'Sheed's spine implodes, and BBD fouls out, and KG's arms both fall off...  well, I'm thinking we'll see smallball with Nate Robinson at the power forward before we see Sheldon Williams get meaningful playing time again this series.

Eh, I think what we saw last night was Williams.  He has terrible hands, and it not a very smart player.  Those have always been his problems.  So when you put him in there against a team as good as the Lakers (especially when they were focussed to make a run), who are great at jumping passing lanes, and getting their hands on the ball, he looks terrible.  Put him out there against a passive team, and suddenly he looks OK.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Even though we won the game, Shelden Williams almost cost us game 2 today. I've never seen anyone who plays under 10 mins a game that can completely change the pace of a game like he did today.

Sure he's a nice guy, and maybe it could happen to anybody, but I'm expecting a 5th big man to be someone who might be a stiff, but doesn't really make many mistakes and just plays D and commits solid fouls. Shelden played good D for the whole season, but his play today is unforgiveable, I don't want to see him on the floor for the Celtics ever again. It made me want to puke when I saw those last 4 minutes of the second quarter and how shelden seemed to be involved in every negative play that happened. Every good thing he has ever done in his career has been negated in those 4 minutes, I hope he never wears a celtics jersey again.

I might be overreacting but imagine if we lost the game, there would be people going after his head.


Doc will probably not play him again after today, but I think Shelden has killed his chances of resigning with the team after today's game.

Now lets see, you are right because...He was the only Celtic on the floor, it wasn't the end of the half, it was really the end of the game....you see in LA, if they are up at the half...they win, that is just how it goes out there...!  No other Celtic EVER makes a mistake, PP didn't bobble that pass that artest took and went in for a layup, that got pp a foul also......That is right on, spot on....make a mistake and be banished from the NBA forever...you don't even get to play pickup for...like a whole year...ya, that is right..!  Now put away the microscope and stop that kind of talk, will ya...!

[Meadowlark_Scal]

i do love the microscope analysts here...one mistake and you want to kill the man.....As if you have even seen him play...Did you see his 12 points in 12 minutes vs San Antonio...now tell me..the ball bounced off his head and went in 6 times...ya, that is what happened....or "Bad" hands...except he got all of those points from rebounds, or a hot pass from rondo, so out with the bad hands theory...You are the same guys that jumped on TA..until he played more, then saved our team from losing more than once...but of course, as soon as HE makes a mistake, you'll say he should be shot again also...You don't look at a player under a microscope, then look at other players macro view....every player makes some mistakes....and take it easy on a guy who never really gets many minutes..he has done some great things when he gets in....and I'll tell you what, think back...the more Sheldopn plays, the more you'll get out of BBD...every time Sheldon gets in, BBD goes nuts when he gets in, to show why a guy who can dunk easier, rebounds better, and gets paid a lot less won't get his spot with out a fight.

[Who]

I think too much is made of Shelden's bad hands.

Does he have bad hands? Sure, but the negatives that they bring really hasn't been that large. He still scores the ball efficiently (TS% 61%) and his turnover numbers are fine (1.8 per 36 minutes).

It's bad, it's a negative and it's annoying but I think there is too much weight placed on it. I don't think it's as bad, as detrimental, as some make it out to be.

[jayk009]

I understand it might be a bit harsh, but what positive things can he contribute to cancel out his performance in game 2? There's nothing he can do to make up for it unless he has a powe finals game like performance in a game and that's unlikely to happen. When Paul Peirce or KG make a mistake, they are capable of having another game that will make up for a poor game, or making a play that will make up for a mistake, Shelden can't do that. When a player is already on the borderline of whether he deserves to be in the NBA or not, if he plays like he did for 4 mins, it's unforgiveable and it should punch his ticket out of the NBA. You give repeated chances to players that are talented and have a potential to be an above average player, does Shelden even have potential to be in the top 10 of a rotation?


it's not a microscope analysis here, he made 4 bad plays in a span of 4 minutes, and he has no chance of ever being a regular contributor for the Celtics. As much as Tony Allen has made boneheaded mistakes in the past, we knew that he could be a valuable contributor if he just had his head on straight, but unfortunately no matter how nice of a guy Shelden might be or how much of a hard worker he is, his maximum potential is not one that is a quality nba player.

If you are a fringe nba player and you play poorly in your minimal chances, then you will be out of the NBA. It might not be fair but that's just the reality. There's no microscopic analysis here, it's just how it is. He had his chance and he blew it and he should never sniff the court for the Celtics ever again.

I expect nothing out of our 5th big man. No positives and no negatives, he displayed way too many negatives in that one game, I just want a big man stiff who has composure who knows how to box out hard and foul smart. I say give a chance to another big man in the off season.

Maybe I'm overreacting by not ever wanting to see him play for the Celts again, but maybe you're being over protective over a 12th man?

[wdleehi]

He is just not that good of a player.  I rather someone out there that knows how to play in the big situation.