oden for perk: the post banner 18 discussion

[arctic 3.0]

OK, so greg oden obviously has greater potential then Perk. however his injury issues are sure to worry portland's front office.

considering oden's injury issues could we swap centers with portland?

portland gets a solid, playoff tested center who plays top notch defensive basketball and rids themselves of the risk of the second coming of sam bowie.

we take a huge risk that oden will emerge healthy, if he does we will be in terrific shape next year and ready to emerge from the GPA era with two massive building blocks in rondo and oden.
if he fails to get healthy we would be forced to start wallace. we would be old, slow short of bigs and in real trouble next year. however, with a good draft pick from a down year and two straight years of big contracts coming off the books, the down turn should not be long lasting.

if i weigh the pro's and con's my gut tells me to make the deal.
my brain says my gut is a moron.

would you make the trade?

go c's, beat kobe and the lakers into purple pulp.

[Roy Hobbs]

I don't think Portland would go along with that, but if they were, then yes, I'd roll the dice.  I think we'd need to make sure that we signed an adequate big man in free agency to back up Oden, though.  Jermaine O'Neal, maybe?

Again, though, I can't see Portland moving Oden.  He's just got too much potential, and was looking great before this most recent injury (which sounds like a repeating record).

[Chris]

I don't think this makes a ton of sense for either team.  For Portland, they are making a significant downgrade talentwise, not to mention taking a potentially huge PR hit. 

For the C's, they are just trading one big man a year away from being overpaid for another big man a year away from being overpaid...except the one they are getting is a much bigger injury risk.

I really do not see Portland moving Oden unless they are getting a star in return, and I only see the C's moving Perk if it can save them money and/or get them a star.  Unfortunately, I don't think this accomplishes either.

[kozlodoev]

I understand Perk is not going to blow you away, but Oden has miles to go before he becomes half the player Perkins is right now. It's not even that he's a 300 lb player with leg/foot issues, but for the short while he's been on an NBA court, he hasn't shown he's able to be a NBA contributor -- or that he can progress far beyond his current state either. I'd much rather keep Perkins.

[Roy Hobbs]

. . .  I only see the C's moving Perk if it can save them money and/or get them a star.  Unfortunately, I don't think this accomplishes either.

Well, the type of star that we could get for Perk probably falls into one of two categories:  a draft pick who we develop, or a star that is currently flawed, due to injuries, contract, or something else.

Oden has the raw talent to be a stud center for a decade, and would form a fantastic nucleus with Rondo going forward.  If we're going to downgrade at some point to rebuild, I'd be fine with a move like this, because while the risk is moderate, the reward is off-the-charts.

However, I just can't see Portland trading a potential stud center for a defensive specialist.  They already have J.P. on their roster, and he probably gives them approximately what Perk does.

[Chris]

I understand Perk is not going to blow you away, but Oden has miles to go before he becomes half the player Perkins is right now. It's not even that he's a 300 lb player with leg/foot issues, but for the short while he's been on an NBA court, he hasn't shown he's able to be a NBA contributor -- or that he can progress far beyond his current state either. I'd much rather keep Perkins.

I don't think this is true at all.  While Oden has struggled with fouls, like many young big men do (Perk still has those struggles), he has been very effective in the short time he has been on the floor an healthy.  

Ultimately though, this comes down to the fact that the Blazers are not ready to give him up for a roleplaying center, particularly since they already have Pryzbilla and Camby.  Even if the value is there (which I don't believe it is), they would never pull that trigger.

[arctic 3.0]

I don't think Portland would go along with that, but if they were, then yes, I'd roll the dice.  I think we'd need to make sure that we signed an adequate big man in free agency to back up Oden, though.  Jermaine O'Neal, maybe?

Again, though, I can't see Portland moving Oden.  He's just got too much potential, and was looking great before this most recent injury (which sounds like a repeating record).

I think they would want more that we could give them, even if we added the # 19 it would be enough.

however, when the off season begins perk may very well have two rings and a reputation as one of the top defensive centers in the league. portland is a good team who did pretty well with out Oden. they may look at perk as a down grade in individual talent. but, with his d and experience, he may represent a better chance for the team to reach the next level.

[Roy Hobbs]

I understand Perk is not going to blow you away, but Oden has miles to go before he becomes half the player Perkins is right now. It's not even that he's a 300 lb player with leg/foot issues, but for the short while he's been on an NBA court, he hasn't shown he's able to be a NBA contributor -- or that he can progress far beyond his current state either. I'd much rather keep Perkins.

I disagree strongly that Oden hasn't shown much on the court.  In November, the guy was averaging 13/8 in 25 minutes per game, and was playing lockdown defense.  Unfortunately, he got hurt again, but the kid definitely was beginning to show why he was the #1 pick.

I understand the injury concerns:  they're a huge red flag.  However, I think concerns about his game are overstated.  Right now, he's a better rebounder than Perk and only a half-step behind in defense, and he's improving.  (And this is coming from somebody that believes that Perk should be Second Team All-NBA in defense.)

[Chris]

. . .  I only see the C's moving Perk if it can save them money and/or get them a star.  Unfortunately, I don't think this accomplishes either.

Well, the type of star that we could get for Perk probably falls into one of two categories:  a draft pick who we develop, or a star that is currently flawed, due to injuries, contract, or something else.

Oden has the raw talent to be a stud center for a decade, and would form a fantastic nucleus with Rondo going forward.  If we're going to downgrade at some point to rebuild, I'd be fine with a move like this, because while the risk is moderate, the reward is off-the-charts.

However, I just can't see Portland trading a potential stud center for a defensive specialist.  They already have J.P. on their roster, and he probably gives them approximately what Perk does.

Good point.  And I agree that Oden would be the type of talent the C's would target.  I just think his injury concerns and more importantly his contract would scare them away.  He will be a RFA next summer.  So if he stays healthy this year, he would be looking for a big raise right away.  And then if he doesn't stay healthy, do you let him walk next summer?

I think this is a harder decision for the C's than Portland (who I don't think consider it), but I think when it came down to it, they would prefer a more cost controlled player in return for Perk.

[kozlodoev]

In November, the guy was averaging 13/8 in 25 minutes per game, and was playing lockdown defense.

Perk did almost exactly the same in December, and had comparable outings in November and January.

I understand we have to improve, but I feel that trading Perkins for Oden is like trading Pierce when we drafted Green.

[Fafnir]

. . .  I only see the C's moving Perk if it can save them money and/or get them a star.  Unfortunately, I don't think this accomplishes either.

Well, the type of star that we could get for Perk probably falls into one of two categories:  a draft pick who we develop, or a star that is currently flawed, due to injuries, contract, or something else.

Oden has the raw talent to be a stud center for a decade, and would form a fantastic nucleus with Rondo going forward.  If we're going to downgrade at some point to rebuild, I'd be fine with a move like this, because while the risk is moderate, the reward is off-the-charts.

However, I just can't see Portland trading a potential stud center for a defensive specialist.  They already have J.P. on their roster, and he probably gives them approximately what Perk does.

For Oden's potential I'd give up Perkins in a heartbeat.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I would like to go after Kevin Love somehow.

I think we really need to shop Perkins hard, of course not to the point that we cripple our championship chances next year either. But with his contract situation coming up soon, I don't like to have to overpay for him particularly when soon we'll be in a rebuilding effort, and he'll be decently paid... I don't think that will fit with what we might want to do in the future.

[RAcker]

I'm just extremely gunshy on this until the guy can play an entire NBA season.

[Waltah617]

Are you kidding me?  I would never give up Perk for Oden.  Perk is one of the best defensive centers in a league who fits perfectly with our team.  Oden is an untested bum who hasn't been healthy enough to play more than 2 months at a time his whole career.  STOP HATING ON PERK. HE IS AMAZING!

[ibby]

I don't get why all the trade ideas for Perk are coming along.  Perkins is a 7-footer (I know probably closer to 6'10") who defends and averages double digit points (I know its only 10, but still).

As the NBA has become a game dominated by the wings players like Perk are rare.  Big men seem to be at greater risk for injury (Camby, Bynum, Griffin, Yao, and..oh yeah...Oden), but Perk has been fairly healthy for his career ***knock on wood***.

So there is no way I would trade him straight up for any other center in the league not named Dwight Howard.