Charlie Rosen on Game 5

[liam]

Yeah, it's crazy how bad the officiating was.

I mean, for perspective, my fiancee' doesn't follow basketball; she doesn't even like it.  Last night, she looked at the TV when Rush called the technical, and said "he got ejected for THAT?"

Both Perk techs and the technical on Rondo were all among the worst ten calls I think I've ever seen in that regard.

Amazing - my wife said the same thing.

By the way, Howards flagrant in Game 4 was called after the game.  Does anyone realize that cost the Celts the sweep?  If it was called in the game, that woudl be 2 free throws.

Yea, I was going to say. I didn't watch the game, but 2 freebies for KG might change the score at the end of 48.

And man, I'm so glad I didn't watch the last 2 games, I don't want to.

Does anyone know HOW to bring the attention of the world/media to his? lol, I know I might be pushing it, but I'm sure we can get enough people to get David Stern to respond about the reffing, and the media to futher Stern to admit the errors, and fire some refs?

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It won't ever happen as long as "BOSS" Stern is in charge!!!

[get_banners]

About game 4, its not just the 2 feebies we should have had on Howard's elbow...Nelson got 2 FTs down the stretch on a clean block by Baby AND was allowed to basically body block Pierce at the end of the game with no call. I'm fine with the latter not being called IF the former wasn't called. Bad refereeing cost us Game 4, and just killed us in Game 5.

[twinbree]

Joey Crawford's T on Rondo was clearly a Rush cannot steal my thunder tonight move. You know there was no way his ego would let someone else be the biggest story last night. The way the rest if the game was called I don't even want to think about. The Ts alone are enough to make me angry. And I'm so sick of the double techs at this point.

[nickagneta]

The tone was set for how poorly the game was going to be called right from the outset. Score is 8-6 Boston. Boston is deflecting Orlando passes like crazy and has already caused 2 Orlando turnovers and some really bad Orlando possessions.

Seeing this the refs call a rather ticky tack foul on Garnett on the defensive against Rashard Lewis extending their possession. A few seconds later Howard gets open with just a firmly planted and position established Boston defender(I think it was Perk) between him and the basket.

Howard knocks the defender off the court and slams the ball. Howard waits a second kind of perplexed before celebrating waiting for the offensive foul to be called. Heck the entire arena paused for that second waiting for the call to be made.

Two points Orlando. Tie game. The arena erupts and the Magic then knew they could do pretty much whatever they wanted because the refs were going to go light on them tonight.

Within 90 seconds KG picks up his second personal foul and shortly thereafter Rondo gets his. There's 5 minutes left in the first quarter and the C's are in the penalty and their two most important players are straddled with foul trouble and the Magic have been allowed to pretty much commit as much physical contact as they want without a foul being called.

I don't think it is any coincidence that at that point the Magic's physicality ratcheted up three notches and they took control of the game to never relinquish it. They knew and Boston knew. The calls were going to go one way and one way only.

And both teams played like they knew it from that point on. Boston played tentatively trying like heck to avoid calls and playing defense without their usual physicality and Orlando just hit everyone and anyone they could knowing it wouldn't be called.

I know some in the game thread said blaming the refs was a cop out for an uninspired performance but I say the early tone set in the discrepancy of the way the game was being called caused the trepidation in Boston and the heroic, uncharacteristic physicality of the Magic.

[reggie35]

TP for nickagenta.

It was clear from the get go how this was going down. The Perk/Rondo T's were just icing on the cake.

[prov1ml34]

I will admit, there are many games where I question some of the officials calls and in my opinion our team doesn't get the benefit of the doubt a lot of the time and if the call could go either way, 75% of the time it seems to go against the Celtics. What clearly hit home for me last night was the fact that openly bias, Mike Breen, was complaining about the officiating....That is the only factor one needs to point to to realize that it was absolutely horrendous last night and blatantly one sided.

[prov1ml34]

The tone was set for how poorly the game was going to be called right from the outset. Score is 8-6 Boston. Boston is deflecting Orlando passes like crazy and has already caused 2 Orlando turnovers and some really bad Orlando possessions.

Seeing this the refs call a rather ticky tack foul on Garnett on the defensive against Rashard Lewis extending their possession. A few seconds later Howard gets open with just a firmly planted and position established Boston defender(I think it was Perk) between him and the basket.

Howard knocks the defender off the court and slams the ball. Howard waits a second kind of perplexed before celebrating waiting for the offensive foul to be called. Heck the entire arena paused for that second waiting for the call to be made.

Two points Orlando. Tie game. The arena erupts and the Magic then knew they could do pretty much whatever they wanted because the refs were going to go light on them tonight.

Within 90 seconds KG picks up his second personal foul and shortly thereafter Rondo gets his. There's 5 minutes left in the first quarter and the C's are in the penalty and their two most important players are straddled with foul trouble and the Magic have been allowed to pretty much commit as much physical contact as they want without a foul being called.

I don't think it is any coincidence that at that point the Magic's physicality ratcheted up three notches and they took control of the game to never relinquish it. They knew and Boston knew. The calls were going to go one way and one way only.

And both teams played like they knew it from that point on. Boston played tentatively trying like heck to avoid calls and playing defense without their usual physicality and Orlando just hit everyone and anyone they could knowing it wouldn't be called.

I know some in the game thread said blaming the refs was a cop out for an uninspired performance but I say the early tone set in the discrepancy of the way the game was being called caused the trepidation in Boston and the heroic, uncharacteristic physicality of the Magic.

If I am thinking of the same play, I believe it was Pierce who was set for about 3 seconds outside of the restricted area before "superman" steamrolled him for a 'throw it in the hoop' "dunk"

[nickagneta]

The tone was set for how poorly the game was going to be called right from the outset. Score is 8-6 Boston. Boston is deflecting Orlando passes like crazy and has already caused 2 Orlando turnovers and some really bad Orlando possessions.

Seeing this the refs call a rather ticky tack foul on Garnett on the defensive against Rashard Lewis extending their possession. A few seconds later Howard gets open with just a firmly planted and position established Boston defender(I think it was Perk) between him and the basket.

Howard knocks the defender off the court and slams the ball. Howard waits a second kind of perplexed before celebrating waiting for the offensive foul to be called. Heck the entire arena paused for that second waiting for the call to be made.

Two points Orlando. Tie game. The arena erupts and the Magic then knew they could do pretty much whatever they wanted because the refs were going to go light on them tonight.

Within 90 seconds KG picks up his second personal foul and shortly thereafter Rondo gets his. There's 5 minutes left in the first quarter and the C's are in the penalty and their two most important players are straddled with foul trouble and the Magic have been allowed to pretty much commit as much physical contact as they want without a foul being called.

I don't think it is any coincidence that at that point the Magic's physicality ratcheted up three notches and they took control of the game to never relinquish it. They knew and Boston knew. The calls were going to go one way and one way only.

And both teams played like they knew it from that point on. Boston played tentatively trying like heck to avoid calls and playing defense without their usual physicality and Orlando just hit everyone and anyone they could knowing it wouldn't be called.

I know some in the game thread said blaming the refs was a cop out for an uninspired performance but I say the early tone set in the discrepancy of the way the game was being called caused the trepidation in Boston and the heroic, uncharacteristic physicality of the Magic.

If I am thinking of the same play, I believe it was Pierce who was set for about 3 seconds outside of the restricted area before "superman" steamrolled him for a 'throw it in the hoop' "dunk"

Yeah, we are. I wasn't sure who the defender was. You might be right, probably are, that it was Pierce. It was so obviously an offensive foul that the whole arena kind of held their breath waiting for the call knowing it could be bad if Howard got early fouls called on him.

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It has been confirmed - Sexy Scottish is Charlie Rosen!!!!!

[prov1ml34]

The tone was set for how poorly the game was going to be called right from the outset. Score is 8-6 Boston. Boston is deflecting Orlando passes like crazy and has already caused 2 Orlando turnovers and some really bad Orlando possessions.

Seeing this the refs call a rather ticky tack foul on Garnett on the defensive against Rashard Lewis extending their possession. A few seconds later Howard gets open with just a firmly planted and position established Boston defender(I think it was Perk) between him and the basket.

Howard knocks the defender off the court and slams the ball. Howard waits a second kind of perplexed before celebrating waiting for the offensive foul to be called. Heck the entire arena paused for that second waiting for the call to be made.

Two points Orlando. Tie game. The arena erupts and the Magic then knew they could do pretty much whatever they wanted because the refs were going to go light on them tonight.

Within 90 seconds KG picks up his second personal foul and shortly thereafter Rondo gets his. There's 5 minutes left in the first quarter and the C's are in the penalty and their two most important players are straddled with foul trouble and the Magic have been allowed to pretty much commit as much physical contact as they want without a foul being called.

I don't think it is any coincidence that at that point the Magic's physicality ratcheted up three notches and they took control of the game to never relinquish it. They knew and Boston knew. The calls were going to go one way and one way only.

And both teams played like they knew it from that point on. Boston played tentatively trying like heck to avoid calls and playing defense without their usual physicality and Orlando just hit everyone and anyone they could knowing it wouldn't be called.

I know some in the game thread said blaming the refs was a cop out for an uninspired performance but I say the early tone set in the discrepancy of the way the game was being called caused the trepidation in Boston and the heroic, uncharacteristic physicality of the Magic.

If I am thinking of the same play, I believe it was Pierce who was set for about 3 seconds outside of the restricted area before "superman" steamrolled him for a 'throw it in the hoop' "dunk"

Yeah, we are. I wasn't sure who the defender was. You might be right, probably are, that it was Pierce. It was so obviously an offensive foul that the whole arena kind of held their breath waiting for the call knowing it could be bad if Howard got early fouls called on him.

I can nit-pick every game about charge/blocking calls but last night there were 2 that were essentially easy calls to make. One was the charge they called for jameer nelson as he was basically tripping over his feet...not something I would consider as "set position" and also that block they called on BBD when he had good position. 3 plays (including the Pierce one previously discussed) right there, all going against the Celtics.

[RMO]

The tone was set for how poorly the game was going to be called right from the outset. Score is 8-6 Boston. Boston is deflecting Orlando passes like crazy and has already caused 2 Orlando turnovers and some really bad Orlando possessions.

Seeing this the refs call a rather ticky tack foul on Garnett on the defensive against Rashard Lewis extending their possession. A few seconds later Howard gets open with just a firmly planted and position established Boston defender(I think it was Perk) between him and the basket.

Howard knocks the defender off the court and slams the ball. Howard waits a second kind of perplexed before celebrating waiting for the offensive foul to be called. Heck the entire arena paused for that second waiting for the call to be made.

Two points Orlando. Tie game. The arena erupts and the Magic then knew they could do pretty much whatever they wanted because the refs were going to go light on them tonight.

Within 90 seconds KG picks up his second personal foul and shortly thereafter Rondo gets his. There's 5 minutes left in the first quarter and the C's are in the penalty and their two most important players are straddled with foul trouble and the Magic have been allowed to pretty much commit as much physical contact as they want without a foul being called.

I don't think it is any coincidence that at that point the Magic's physicality ratcheted up three notches and they took control of the game to never relinquish it. They knew and Boston knew. The calls were going to go one way and one way only.

And both teams played like they knew it from that point on. Boston played tentatively trying like heck to avoid calls and playing defense without their usual physicality and Orlando just hit everyone and anyone they could knowing it wouldn't be called.

I know some in the game thread said blaming the refs was a cop out for an uninspired performance but I say the early tone set in the discrepancy of the way the game was being called caused the trepidation in Boston and the heroic, uncharacteristic physicality of the Magic.

If I am thinking of the same play, I believe it was Pierce who was set for about 3 seconds outside of the restricted area before "superman" steamrolled him for a 'throw it in the hoop' "dunk"

Yeah, we are. I wasn't sure who the defender was. You might be right, probably are, that it was Pierce. It was so obviously an offensive foul that the whole arena kind of held their breath waiting for the call knowing it could be bad if Howard got early fouls called on him.

It was Pierce.  I remember thinking after that play that I was fine if they were going to let them play physical but it better be consistent on both ends.  Makes me even madder that a ticky tack call like the one that led to Perk's ejection occurred in the same game.

[liam]

The tone was set for how poorly the game was going to be called right from the outset. Score is 8-6 Boston. Boston is deflecting Orlando passes like crazy and has already caused 2 Orlando turnovers and some really bad Orlando possessions.

Seeing this the refs call a rather ticky tack foul on Garnett on the defensive against Rashard Lewis extending their possession. A few seconds later Howard gets open with just a firmly planted and position established Boston defender(I think it was Perk) between him and the basket.

Howard knocks the defender off the court and slams the ball. Howard waits a second kind of perplexed before celebrating waiting for the offensive foul to be called. Heck the entire arena paused for that second waiting for the call to be made.

Two points Orlando. Tie game. The arena erupts and the Magic then knew they could do pretty much whatever they wanted because the refs were going to go light on them tonight.

Within 90 seconds KG picks up his second personal foul and shortly thereafter Rondo gets his. There's 5 minutes left in the first quarter and the C's are in the penalty and their two most important players are straddled with foul trouble and the Magic have been allowed to pretty much commit as much physical contact as they want without a foul being called.

I don't think it is any coincidence that at that point the Magic's physicality ratcheted up three notches and they took control of the game to never relinquish it. They knew and Boston knew. The calls were going to go one way and one way only.

And both teams played like they knew it from that point on. Boston played tentatively trying like heck to avoid calls and playing defense without their usual physicality and Orlando just hit everyone and anyone they could knowing it wouldn't be called.

I know some in the game thread said blaming the refs was a cop out for an uninspired performance but I say the early tone set in the discrepancy of the way the game was being called caused the trepidation in Boston and the heroic, uncharacteristic physicality of the Magic.

If I am thinking of the same play, I believe it was Pierce who was set for about 3 seconds outside of the restricted area before "superman" steamrolled him for a 'throw it in the hoop' "dunk"

Yeah, we are. I wasn't sure who the defender was. You might be right, probably are, that it was Pierce. It was so obviously an offensive foul that the whole arena kind of held their breath waiting for the call knowing it could be bad if Howard got early fouls called on him.

It was Pierce.  I remember thinking after that play that I was fine if they were going to let them play physical but it better be consistent on both ends.  Makes me even madder that a ticky tack call like the one that led to Perk's ejection occurred in the same game.

Yeah, that was the signal that the game was over.

[gar]

Glad someone else brought up the pierce call on the Howard  dunk. Blatant offensive foul. That call took the wind out and set the tone. Great defensive start. After that the C's started collapsing on Howard and it started Raining 3's. If the Capt. gets a charge, then the whole tenor of the game changes.

[guava_wrench]

Yeah, it's crazy how bad the officiating was.

I mean, for perspective, my fiancee' doesn't follow basketball; she doesn't even like it.  Last night, she looked at the TV when Rush called the technical, and said "he got ejected for THAT?"

Both Perk techs and the technical on Rondo were all among the worst ten calls I think I've ever seen in that regard.

The thing about techs is that messing this up is almost completely on the official. Double techs might not since they are usually a result of missing what happened, but techs on players for talking are all on the refs.

I found the Crawford tech on Rondo particularly annoying since there was no need for Crawford to get involved in the discussion.

Even if Perk was unfairly T'd the second time, he needs to understand the situation better and not give the refs a chance to T him up a second time.

[FatjohnReturns]

Orlando's two C were allowed to be more physical than any other player on the court.  (on both teams)



If you are going to let the big men play, allow the big men from both teams play. 





Now for the other down side no one has mentioned. 

The Celtics defense is at it's best when it is allowed to be physical.  After last night, the backlash is going to be a really tightly called game. 

The only option is to attack the rim early and often.  Get Howard into foul trouble early.  And when he is on the bench, Perk is on the bench.

Yea exactly Orlandos bigs were allowed to do whatever. Perkins or Rasheed barely touch Howard and the whistle blows. Bull*&%#$