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Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2010, 12:57:36 AM »

Offline MaxwellSmart86

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you call a timeout...BECAUSE you have to at LEAST get a shot at the basket at the end of regulation...you have to.

Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2010, 12:59:08 AM »

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Doc Rivers addressed this in his post game press, he had allready called the play in the last timeout, everyone should have known what to do at that point.

Play should have been Pierce in a pick and roll with Ray Allen top of the key with everyone else baseline providing the propper spacing, that just didnt happen, everyone was around the ball making such a play allmost impossible to execute because of lack of space.

Problem was not the play or the lack of a timeout called for the sake of calling a play, everyone had gotten the play explained in the prior time out and Doc Rivers thinking on this one i have to say is solid, if you get the rebound you run the play without the issue of inbounding the ball or giving the Magic a chance to setup anything from a timeout

I just think tired legs caught up to us at this point.. disapointing? yes.. is this on Doc Rivers? im not so sure it is.. we are old, winning two tough series with some of that 08 flair is not going to make that fact go away.

We get another chance in Orlando, better make it count.
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Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2010, 01:02:55 AM »

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Why give the other team time to rest or time to sub? No need to call timeout.

The timeout was irrelevant. Pierce lost the dribble going into his move. That was the problem.

Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2010, 01:04:00 AM »

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All I have to say is Doc should be lucky I'm not the GM. He would be getting the business right now. Red is rolling in his grave right now because of the poor coaching decision he made with 14.6 sec to go. Man I can't let go until we beat Orlando at home.  

Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2010, 01:07:07 AM »

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Why give the other team time to rest or time to sub? No need to call timeout.

The timeout was irrelevant. Pierce lost the dribble going into his move. That was the problem.
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Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2010, 01:11:14 AM »

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DroopDog we were gassed ourselves man and plus it was some confussion on what to do off the bat.

Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2010, 08:45:23 AM »

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Doc Rivers addressed this in his post game press, he had allready called the play in the last timeout, everyone should have known what to do at that point.

Still, the team had problems getting the ball up the court.  This shouldn't have been a surprise, since it was happening all night.  Even if you don't call a timeout immediately (which I disagree with), why not call one when the play had clearly broken down?
 

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Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2010, 08:48:05 AM »

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Why give the other team time to rest or time to sub? No need to call timeout.

The timeout was irrelevant. Pierce lost the dribble going into his move. That was the problem.

The Celtics lost several seconds bringing the ball up, and Pierce didn't have the ball in good position.  A timeout would have led to a more crisp play, with everybody where they were supposed to be.

I mean, again, the offense wasn't working all night, the team was gassed, and Doc is one of the better coaches in the league at calling plays out of timeouts.  I think calling a timeout was a no brainer.

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Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2010, 08:48:07 AM »

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Terrible mistake from Doc... and Paul. I mean, they decided to play in transition, OK, why not? But then it was obvious the Pierce iso was going nowhere and you were just letting the clock expire so Pierce should have called a timeout when he was double teamed.

When you consider that we could have got a wide open Ray three pointer or a dagger like that had we called a timeout... it's frustrating but hopefully it won't come back to bite us after this loss (meaning we close it out in Orlando).

Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2010, 09:09:53 AM »

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Pick and roll with Ray is not going to space the floor enough with a cold KG, an ineffective Rondo, & only Big Baby's mid range game.

Pierce saw that there were 2 "layers" of defenders on the right side, the time was winding down and made his move to go left (away from the double layers of Magic defenders), lost the dribble, got close to possession of the ball (also got fouled), and then time expired.


Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2010, 09:27:17 AM »

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I didn't have too much of a problem with them not callinng a timeout right away. See if maybe you can get something before they have a chance to change up players, but I have a big problem when Doc says after the game that the play broke down and the spacing was terrible. As soon as he say that, he should have called a timeout. He's allowed to call when anytime he wants. They still could have had some time to at least get off a shot.

Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2010, 09:32:31 AM »

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I agree wholeheartedly with the OP here. It's one thing when you are down and just need to get a good shot and don't care about running down the clock. However, if you want to make sure you take the last shot, call a timeout, and set up a good play. That was awful to end the game.

On another note, Celtics look tired to me. I fully expect them to come out stale on Wednesday.

Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2010, 09:35:43 AM »

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Doc Rivers addressed this in his post game press, he had allready called the play in the last timeout, everyone should have known what to do at that point.

Play should have been Pierce in a pick and roll with Ray Allen top of the key with everyone else baseline providing the propper spacing, that just didnt happen, everyone was around the ball making such a play allmost impossible to execute because of lack of space.

Problem was not the play or the lack of a timeout called for the sake of calling a play, everyone had gotten the play explained in the prior time out and Doc Rivers thinking on this one i have to say is solid, if you get the rebound you run the play without the issue of inbounding the ball or giving the Magic a chance to setup anything from a timeout

I just think tired legs caught up to us at this point.. disapointing? yes.. is this on Doc Rivers? im not so sure it is.. we are old, winning two tough series with some of that 08 flair is not going to make that fact go away.

We get another chance in Orlando, better make it count.

This.

The play was already called, so why wait? Rondo was supposed to take his man to the baseline and didn't, which caused poor spacing. With a vet team like the Celtics, you have to trust that they will execute, they just didn't. I don't think you want to allow Orlando the chance to sub in defenders (they would have certainly taken Jameer and Vince out). The Celtics (or at least Paul and KG) were gassed at the end, and that contributed to the loss. A time out would have probably helped, in hindsight, but I can't get on Doc for the call. I think it was the right way to go and a good gamble that just didn't go our way due to poor execution.
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Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2010, 09:36:02 AM »

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I think Paul said it all in his postgame presser when asked what went wrong in the end..."guys trying to win the game on their own".Guess he meant himself as well.

Re: Why no timeout at the end of regulation?
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2010, 09:38:56 AM »

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Doc Rivers addressed this in his post game press, he had allready called the play in the last timeout, everyone should have known what to do at that point.

Play should have been Pierce in a pick and roll with Ray Allen top of the key with everyone else baseline providing the propper spacing, that just didnt happen, everyone was around the ball making such a play allmost impossible to execute because of lack of space.

Problem was not the play or the lack of a timeout called for the sake of calling a play, everyone had gotten the play explained in the prior time out and Doc Rivers thinking on this one i have to say is solid, if you get the rebound you run the play without the issue of inbounding the ball or giving the Magic a chance to setup anything from a timeout

I just think tired legs caught up to us at this point.. disapointing? yes.. is this on Doc Rivers? im not so sure it is.. we are old, winning two tough series with some of that 08 flair is not going to make that fact go away.

We get another chance in Orlando, better make it count.

This.

The play was called. Rondo was supposed to take his man to the baseline and didn't, which caused poor spacing. With a vet team like the Celtics, you have to trust that they will execute, they just didn't. I don't think you want to allow Orlando the chance to sub in defenders (they would have certainly taken Jameer and Vince out). The Celtics (or at least Paul and KG) were gassed at the end, and that contributed to the loss. A time out would have probably helped, in hindsight, but I can't get on Doc for the call. I think it was the right way to go and a good gamble that just didn't go our way due to poor execution.

Once the play started to break down (which Doc acknowledged, and everyone else could clearly see) why not call a timeout then?

I mean, there were what, 14 or 16 seconds left.  It's not like we only had three seconds to get it right.

Heck, with that much time left, and multiple timeouts left, the right call is to call your first timeout, set something up, and if it's well-defended / not working, call your second timeout.  Here, we didn't call anything, and ended up with no shot.

In a game where Rondo is playing great in transition, no timeout is the right call.  Not last night, though.

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