Reasonable contracts for Allen and Allen?

[jdub1660]

I like the idea of resigning Tony for 4-5 mil range. Scal is gone. Quis is still in the air, but I'd say Tony over Quis b/c their skill set is too similar. That would allow us to use Daniels in a sign-n-trade for a backup Shooter. Also a player like Travis Outlaw should be the target for the MLE, or Mike MIller if the shooter trade doesn't work out and we get a real backup PG

[LooseCannon]

I don't believe either will leave Boston if we don't lowball them.

If we offer a fair deal, they both will stay and leave money off the table to keep contending with the current group of Celtics.

Given how Ainge's track record negotiating with guys like Posey, Powe, and BBD, do you believe either Allen will immediately be offered what you consider a fair deal after the season?

[nickagneta]

I don't believe either will leave Boston if we don't lowball them.

If we offer a fair deal, they both will stay and leave money off the table to keep contending with the current group of Celtics.

Given how Ainge's track record negotiating with guys like Posey, Powe, and BBD, do you believe either Allen will immediately be offered what you consider a fair deal after the season?

Given how Ainge has negotiated in the past with Rondo, KG, Tony, House and Pierce, I don't see why not. I might also add that Danny's offers to Posey were more than fair as were BBD's.

[FallGuy]

I'm a little less excited about signing TA than some others are.

I'm worried he may expect a bigger role in the offense after all the accolades he's receiving this spring. And his biggest problem is playing outside himself. Seems like a risk to me.

I'd probably still sign him but if his price gets to the midlevel, I'd let him walk.

[Bankshot]

I'm a little less excited about signing TA than some others are.

I'm worried he may expect a bigger role in the offense after all the accolades he's receiving this spring. And his biggest problem is playing outside himself. Seems like a risk to me.

I'd probably still sign him but if his price gets to the midlevel, I'd let him walk.

Nah.  I think he will get a bigger role.  Less minutes for Paul and Ray and more minutes for Tony.  He proved he can handle it and every time he enters the game nowadays, something good happens.

[Roy Hobbs]

I'm a little less excited about signing TA than some others are.

I'm worried he may expect a bigger role in the offense after all the accolades he's receiving this spring. And his biggest problem is playing outside himself. Seems like a risk to me.

I'd probably still sign him but if his price gets to the midlevel, I'd let him walk.

There's no way I'd approach the mid-level for Tony.  He's got too much of a track record of injuries and spotty play.

I think I'd top out around 3 years, $12 million, and that's the absolute max I'd pay.  I'd also offering him a deal that declines in average annual value, to preserve as much flexibility as possible in 2012.

[Fafnir]

I'm a little less excited about signing TA than some others are.

I'm worried he may expect a bigger role in the offense after all the accolades he's receiving this spring. And his biggest problem is playing outside himself. Seems like a risk to me.

I'd probably still sign him but if his price gets to the midlevel, I'd let him walk.

There's no way I'd approach the mid-level for Tony.  He's got too much of a track record of injuries and spotty play.

I think I'd top out around 3 years, $12 million, and that's the absolute max I'd pay.  I'd also offering him a deal that declines in average annual value, to preserve as much flexibility as possible in 2012.

I think we can keep Tony for less than that Roy, 9-10 for three years or so.

He's made niche as a defensive specialist, but his lack of a three point shot limits his market severely.

[Brendan]

If you get to 3 year / MLE level for Tony, there are better options available. Quis won't be a good Sign & Trade guy for us, we cannot offer him very much under Early Bird, so he can probably get more just finding a team that wants him.

I do think the C's can use Quis as leverage against TA.

[the_Bird]

I don't see TA getting a three-year deal, from us or from anyone else.  He's become a very good role player, but he's still a role player, and will always be a role player.  We don't want ANY extra contracts on the books for 2012 that we absolutely need; Rondo, a PP extension, and MAYBE a Perk extension depending on the $$s.  Gotta leave that flexibility in place.

I could almost see a Chris Duhon-like contract.  At the time he signed with the Knicks two years ago, it seemed like he was "worth" something like a 3 year deal at around $3M annually.  Instead, NY basically front-loaded that into a 2 year, $10M contract so they'd have as much cap space as possible this summer.

I'd rather give TA a $4M - $4.5M annual contract for only two seasons, rather than a 3-year deal at a total of $9M. 

[Birdbrain]

I don't believe either will leave Boston if we don't lowball them.

If we offer a fair deal, they both will stay and leave money off the table to keep contending with the current group of Celtics.

Given how Ainge's track record negotiating with guys like Posey, Powe, and BBD, do you believe either Allen will immediately be offered what you consider a fair deal after the season?

Yeah like he's done with every other player including broken down Posey.  Who took money over rings.  More power to him he was overrated by C's fans anyway. Not Powe overrated (that's a new type of overrated) because he could actually play somewhat but, overrated nonetheless.

[celts55]

I don't see TA getting a three-year deal, from us or from anyone else.  He's become a very good role player, but he's still a role player, and will always be a role player.  We don't want ANY extra contracts on the books for 2012 that we absolutely need; Rondo, a PP extension, and MAYBE a Perk extension depending on the $$s.  Gotta leave that flexibility in place.

I could almost see a Chris Duhon-like contract.  At the time he signed with the Knicks two years ago, it seemed like he was "worth" something like a 3 year deal at around $3M annually.  Instead, NY basically front-loaded that into a 2 year, $10M contract so they'd have as much cap space as possible this summer.

I'd rather give TA a $4M - $4.5M annual contract for only two seasons, rather than a 3-year deal at a total of $9M.  

I'm just wondering why you would rather pay him 4.5 for 2 years than 3 for 3? They both equal 9 million.

Niw, I can't believe I'm saying this as I've never been a big Tony supporter, but he has been playing very well lately. As long as he doesn't try to do to much, he's a very good role player.

I have to say if Scal got a 5 year 15 million dollar contract, T Allen has to be worth more than 3 a year. I'm thinking something like 3 years- 11-12 million. Besides, it's not my money.

[Ed Teach]

I am going to disagree that Posey was overated, but will conceed that Danny called it correctly he wanted too long of a contract.  Posey would have filled a need last year, but his skills have slipped considerably since 2008.  He would have been a high priced liability this year and the next two years he was on the books.  

In retrospect it looks like Danny made the right call, especially since TA seems to be filling the role (back-up wing) that we needed last year.  

[moiso]

Just the fact that a lot of people think Posey was overrated makes him underrated to me.  He has really fallen off but he was a beast that year.  He was alway in the game at crunchtime and he almost always made some kind of big play in the final minute- whether it was a 3 pointer, drawing a charge, or simply diving on a loose ball.  He did a lot of the stuff we hoped Rasheed would do all year.  Very intelligent, super competitive, fearless, and tough.

[action781]

I don't see TA getting a three-year deal, from us or from anyone else.  He's become a very good role player, but he's still a role player, and will always be a role player.  We don't want ANY extra contracts on the books for 2012 that we absolutely need; Rondo, a PP extension, and MAYBE a Perk extension depending on the $$s.  Gotta leave that flexibility in place.

I could almost see a Chris Duhon-like contract.  At the time he signed with the Knicks two years ago, it seemed like he was "worth" something like a 3 year deal at around $3M annually.  Instead, NY basically front-loaded that into a 2 year, $10M contract so they'd have as much cap space as possible this summer.

I'd rather give TA a $4M - $4.5M annual contract for only two seasons, rather than a 3-year deal at a total of $9M.  

I'm just wondering why you would rather pay him 4.5 for 2 years than 3 for 3? They both equal 9 million.

Niw, I can't believe I'm saying this as I've never been a big Tony supporter, but he has been playing very well lately. As long as he doesn't try to do to much, he's a very good role player.

I have to say if Scal got a 5 year 15 million dollar contract, T Allen has to be worth more than 3 a year. I'm thinking something like 3 years- 11-12 million. Besides, it's not my money.

Because then you have salary cap flexibility for the 2012 offseason when we have a ton of money come off our books.  We already have Rondo for 11, we'll probably have Pierce reupped for around 12?  Possibly have Perkins reupped for around 8.  That's 31M.  Plus our draft picks and any other signings or roster spot cap holds and we're going to be right around that limit of being able to offer a max deal in the summer of Durant and Melo (if he takes his 11/12 option).

We wouldn't want to lose out on a big player because cap restrictions prohibit us from coughing up an extra 3M that we have guarenteed to Tony Allen.  I like Tony, but that would be devastating and I think it's more important to keep our options open for that summer which will be very big for the Celtics' future.


And you have to realize that Scal wasn't worth that contract and was terribly overpaid.  That's like saying "Jermaine O'Neal got 23M last season, so Rondo has to be worth at least 40M."