Reasonable contracts for Allen and Allen?

[celtsfan907]

What do you guys thing will happen to Ray Allen and Tony Allen in the offseason?  I know its early to talk about this now, but the way they are both playing now, i can't imagine the Cs not trying to sign them both.  Do we have the cap room to do so?  Also do you think Tony Allen will be satisfied coming off the bench, or do you think its gonna be a Posey situations again where some team makes him a starter?

Personally i think the Cs should do everything possible to keep both, particularly Tony as i beleive he has the potential to be a starter in this league.

[LB3533]

Bring them both back.

If you let TA go, we really don't have a back up PG.

[j804]

I thought this was going to be a thread about how great theyre playing.....lock them up they both been playing great

[GreenFaith1819]

I say we bring both back as well. Ray is playing at a high level for us, and TA has gotten progressively better since December for us.

I think that both can be brought back financially - Ray to a reduced deal, and I've seen about $5-6 Mil for a two year deal for TA.

I've seen anywhere from a 2-3 year deal for $7-9 mil a yr for Ray Allen.

I see no reason why both won't be back here next year, IMO.

As far as TA starting? He has started a few games for us this year, and did quite well - the Christmas Day game being one of the many. He could (and has) developed into a James Posey kind of fellow for us, and this is what Doc was waiting for him to do once we let James go.

I think that TA would remain a 6th or 7th man - spelling out Ray in some matchups with faster 2's, and even Paul Pierce in some cases. And he proven his worth in the CLE series..he did not back down from 6'9" 270 pound Lebron James, and I was thoroughly impressed with that. He played well against Wade in the MIA series as well.

He had a Great Game against LA in Boston. Man went off and was hitting from everywhere (except 3's) in that game. And played Excellent Defense against Kobe as well.

His few knocks? He doesn't have three-range, and his jumper is somewhat spotty from mid-range (Except in that LA game).

TA's more of a slasher, but maybe our best wing defender.

That's just my take on it.

[wdleehi]

It really depends on what happens the next few weeks.

[kg is king]

As far as TA starting? He has started a few games for us this year, and did quite well - the Christmas Day game being one of the many. He could (and has) developed into a James Posey kind of fellow for us, and this is what Doc was waiting for him to do once we let James go.

I think that TA would remain a 6th or 7th man - spelling out Ray in some matchups with faster 2's, and even Paul Pierce in some cases. And he proven his worth in the CLE series..he did not back down from 6'9" 270 pound Lebron James, and I was thoroughly impressed with that. He played well against Wade in the MIA series as well.

I can see TA starting in a similar role to Danhtay Jones or Aron Afflalo in Denver. Both started in front of J.R. Smith but it is Smith who plays about 30 minutes a game while Jones and Afflalo specializes in what they are good at whenever they are on the floor.

[celtsfan907]

I say we bring both back as well. Ray is playing at a high level for us, and TA has gotten progressively better since December for us.

I think that both can be brought back financially - Ray to a reduced deal, and I've seen about $5-6 Mil for a two year deal for TA.

I've seen anywhere from a 2-3 year deal for $7-9 mil a yr for Ray Allen.

I see no reason why both won't be back here next year, IMO.

i hope you are right.  but what makes you thing that TA will be happy with a 2 year deal?


as for ray, i think he would take that deal.  Do we have the cap room to pay thim though?

[GreenFaith1819]

I say we bring both back as well. Ray is playing at a high level for us, and TA has gotten progressively better since December for us.

I think that both can be brought back financially - Ray to a reduced deal, and I've seen about $5-6 Mil for a two year deal for TA.

I've seen anywhere from a 2-3 year deal for $7-9 mil a yr for Ray Allen.

I see no reason why both won't be back here next year, IMO.

i hope you are right.  but what makes you thing that TA will be happy with a 2 year deal?


as for ray, i think he would take that deal.  Do we have the cap room to pay thim though?

You make a good point. I hope it's a longer deal for TA. I based my frame of thought along the lines of the Glen Davis deal.

I don't know our cap situation to the letter, but I've seen on the blog where we could bring Ray back for that kind of money.

Most of our money is tied up right now in Ray, KG and Pierce. But once Ray comes back on a reduced but fair deal, then Rondo's money comes on the books.

I think that's how it works. Someone else here on the blog may have more particulars about it, though.

[Bankshot]

How about $12M for 3 years for Tony?  Is that fair?

[GreenFaith1819]

How about $12M for 3 years for Tony?  Is that fair?

If I was TA, I'd jump on that deal. Can we pay him that much?

[nickagneta]

How about $12M for 3 years for Tony?  Is that fair?

If I was TA, I'd jump on that deal. Can we pay him that much?

We can pay Tony whatever we want, we own his Bird rights. That means we can offer him anywhere from a one year contract to a six year contract with the starting first year salary going anywhere from slightly below what he is making now to a max level amount.

[ToppersBsktball10]

How about $12M for 3 years for Tony?  Is that fair?

I'd pay a little less than that. I'd be willing to do that though, I guess.

[Roy Hobbs]

I think they should bring them both back.  I think the team needs to keep Ray's deal to two years or less (with a team option, if possible, for a third year).  With Tony, it depends upon how reasonable a deal he'd take.  If he's willing to accept a deal around $3 - $4 million, a deal of three years is probably reasonable (even though it cuts into our future cap space a bit.)

[Marcus13]

If you can bring Ray back for two years at 10m a year or less, you have to do it.  You have to remember that the amount paid per year is significantly less important when you're over the CAP like we are already, anyway.  All we are going to have to give out is the MLE, the rookie deal, and minimum contracts.  So whether you get Ray at 5M or 10M a year, it truly doesn't make a difference in our situation.

And who are you going to replace him with?  Tony Allen?  Marquis Daniels?  The rookie or somebody with that MLE?  Ray is going to be far and away the best option available to us for the next season or two

[Brendan]

1. I don't think this postseason changes the strategy going forward. I'm not sure it even changes the tactics. So look for the team to retool if possible while staying in contention. I think DA and company are happy deferring one more year until they start making bigger changes (i.e. going for it with this core in 2011.)

2. Ray Allen - its not my money - but they should basically pay Ray whatever as long as they keep him to a two year deal. My assumptions are: he's not going to be target 1a or 1b for teams with cap space, he's not going to want to go just anywhere, and most likely he's looking at offers for MLE money, I think he'll stay on a two year deal for more than MLE (to compensate for a team offering him a 3 or 4 year deal.)

3. Tony Allen - they should keep him on the cheap. I think there are a few teams where he'd make sense and really help them - Utah could start him at SG since he doens't take the ball out of Williams hands and since they have scoring from the other positions. I think Denver could use him too. But generally you want a bench wing that has some flexibility to either shoot or run PG or both. So I don't see him getting huge offers. Again if he gets an offer for 3 yrs x 4 mill per, I'd rather pay him a bit more more for two than go an extra year, maybe 2 x 5.

4. I think the C's have a legit shot of getting cap space for 2012 which opens up a ton of possibilities, not just in signings, but also trades. They need to preserve this at all costs unless an elite wing or big becomes available. Additionally if they can get draft picks they should, especially long deals from a team that might be picking high in the future.

Given these points (and you might not agree, it's just my take) I think the C's have a much harder time dealing with Pierce's contract situation. A one year deal is HIGHLY unlikely after 2011 (and has bad implications w/r/t the CBA), you almost hope he opts out so they can give him a two year deal now.