Reasonable contracts for Allen and Allen?

[Ed Teach]

I love this team as it is currently constructed.  I understand that Danny doesn't want to go through the lengthy rebuilding that occured after Bird retired.  Still, my opinion is that you would rather keep this team together a little too long rather than break it up a little too early. 

In my ideal world, the Celtics can extend the window a little longer without compromising the future.  If we can get the Allens under contract for a reasonable # of years, I am ok with overpaying for the short term in exchange for more cap flexability going forward.

[xmuscularghandix]

Tony Allen:
28 years old
54 games
6 points
1 assists
2 rebounds
1 steal
.510 FG%
(best perimeter defender)

PLAYOFFS 2010

12 games
18 minutes
7 points
2 assists
1.4 steals


Ray Allen:
34 years old
79 games
16 points
3 rebounds
2 assists
.363 3PT%
.913 FT%

PLAYOFF 2010
12 games
18 points
3 rebounds
3 assists
.423 3PT%
.846 FT%




Speaking on TA... Dahntay Jones got a contract of 3 years, 7.7 million+ 2.9 player option. I'd take that and I'd even take 3 years 9 million.



Ray Allen... I agree with Mike Gorman that he has a good 2-3 years at the level he is. But what would be a reasonable contract for both sides?

players of similar roles/skills:

Manu Ginobili

Ginobili, 32, will make $11.8 million in 2010-11, $12.9 million in ‘11-12 and $14.1 million in the final year of the deal, bringing the total to more than $38,8 million

Jason Richardson is making 13 now and 14 next year, BUT he's more athletic and only 29 years old. So i think that Ray should top out below that threshold.

Rip Hamilton's 08 extension kicks in next year, it breaks down to 12.6 for the next three years. BUT at the end of the that extension Richard will be the same age Ray is now. So i think Ray should be right around similar numbers because he's a more quality player.

Jason Terry is going to make 22 million over the next 2 seasons. BUT once again Terry is a couple years younger, is drastically undersized for a SG, doesn't have the same percentages, and could be considered a defensively liability. So I'd put Ray's low number right around 11. (assuming Ray won't take a nice home town discount)

[Birdbrain]

Ray Allen - 2 years 10 million.  Although after seeing some of those names and knowing what some others scrubs are making around league I'm a bit concerned that he might ask for more. 

Tony Allen - 2 year 3 - 5 million a year.  He's probably worth more than BBD (3m) to this team but, I have feeling Danny won't offer him much more than that which could have him leaving.  Maybe they can sell him the ' were only giving you this now but, you'll available to resign for more in 2 years ' line.

[indeedproceed]

I think Tony Allen will find himself wanting the MLE and not getting the offers. Lots of FA's, and unless he's willing to wait it all out, if he wants to resign its going to be for 3 million front and center.

[Evantime34]

I think Tony Allen will find himself wanting the MLE and not getting the offers. Lots of FA's, and unless he's willing to wait it all out, if he wants to resign its going to be for 3 million front and center.

See I think he will find himself wanting the MLE and then receiving it. There are a lot of free agents out there, but there are also a ton of teams with cap space. When the elite players get taken the teams that ended up with nothing will overpay for mid talent guys.

[xmuscularghandix]

Ray Allen - 2 years 10 million.  Although after seeing some of those names and knowing what some others scrubs are making around league I'm a bit concerned that he might ask for more. 

Tony Allen - 2 year 3 - 5 million a year.  He's probably worth more than BBD (3m) to this team but, I have feeling Danny won't offer him much more than that which could have him leaving.  Maybe they can sell him the ' were only giving you this now but, you'll available to resign for more in 2 years ' line.

Manu, Rip, and JRich are scrubs?!

[clover]

Ray will be older to start his new contract than Ginobili will be ending his.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I really couldn't care less how much they spent on them. Length of the contract is that much more important. Money isn't of much importance right now I think.

[Who]

Ray Allen is worth around $6 million. The Celtics should be willing to overpay him to keep him to a two year contract when they try to re-sign him.

Tony Allen's pay depends on what type of role he is being asked to fill. He is worth $4 million or so per annum if he was a starting two guard playing around 30 minutes a night. About $3 million as a sixth or seventh man who plays 20 minutes a night. Or about $1.5 to $2 million as a secondary wing off the bench.

[bruinsandceltics]

Everyone expires when KG expires. That is how it should be. You overpay for 2 year contracts, rather than give them extra years.

[thebirdman]

Ray 2 years 14 million
TA 2 years 6 million

But in the end money isn`t really the most important thing, the length of the contract is. No more than 2 years and I am OK with it...

[Birdbrain]

Ray Allen - 2 years 10 million.  Although after seeing some of those names and knowing what some others scrubs are making around league I'm a bit concerned that he might ask for more. 

Tony Allen - 2 year 3 - 5 million a year.  He's probably worth more than BBD (3m) to this team but, I have feeling Danny won't offer him much more than that which could have him leaving.  Maybe they can sell him the ' were only giving you this now but, you'll available to resign for more in 2 years ' line.

Manu, Rip, and JRich are scrubs?!

Not a very clear post but that ' and ' in my post was meant to differeniate between your list and other scrubs that around the league.

[xmuscularghandix]

Everyone expires when KG expires. That is how it should be. You overpay for 2 year contracts, rather than give them extra years.

Very good call. We're gonna be way into the salary cap anyways. so we might as well go all out otherwise it's for nothing.

[xmuscularghandix]

Ray Allen - 2 years 10 million.  Although after seeing some of those names and knowing what some others scrubs are making around league I'm a bit concerned that he might ask for more. 

Tony Allen - 2 year 3 - 5 million a year.  He's probably worth more than BBD (3m) to this team but, I have feeling Danny won't offer him much more than that which could have him leaving.  Maybe they can sell him the ' were only giving you this now but, you'll available to resign for more in 2 years ' line.

Manu, Rip, and JRich are scrubs?!

Not a very clear post but that ' and ' in my post was meant to differeniate between your list and other scrubs that around the league.

pshhh... i can read.

[RJ87]

I love Ray, but if we can package him in a sign&trade for some younger talent, we should be all over that. (A. Iguodala, A. Morrow are 2 who are on my list for potential trade targets). I do think Manu and Camby set the standard for aging/still productive vets so expect Ray to get a 2/3 year deal worth at least $10m per.

As far as TA, ideally I'd like to see a 2 year deal with a team option for a 3rd year worth about $11m total.