CB Historical Draft - Team Rosters/Panelists Comments

[RebusRankin]

I'm changing to the 02/03 Kobe. Possible more changes will follow.

[Donoghus]

I had mis-identified '94-95 for Steve Kerr when, in reality, I really meant '95-96.

I edited it out.

[nickagneta]

I'm changing to the 02/03 Kobe. Possible more changes will follow.

COMMISIONER'S DECISION

Technically speaking, rosters were due in and frozen at 9:00PM EST

That given, I am making an executive decision to extend the time by which rosters are due to be posted until the deadline for the first group of team presentations to be in on Wednesday, which is 6:00 PM EST. All owners must submit their final rosters and years used for each player by that time.

Clearly when only half of the team's owners abide by the deadline then the deadline must be extended.

If by the 6:00PM deadline tomorrow we do not have close to 100% participation from the rest of the owners, I will be foregoing the presentations of teams and awards portion of this endeavor and calling it over.

[Fan from VT]

I know Fan From VT hasn't officially posted his roster, but in his sig it says:

Warriors
Coach: L Brown (03-04)
PG: Isiah (89-90)
SG Mullin (89-90)
SF: Melo (07-08)
PF: K Malone (96-97)
C: Mourning (98-99)

Divac (94-95)
Majerle (91-92)
F Lever (89-90)
AK47 (05-06)
Ratliff (98-99)
Blackman (90-91)
D Ellis (89-90)
Hinrich (06-07)
Barros (94-95)
Lafrentz (01-02)

I think Fan from VT should change Carmelo Anthony to 08/09 or 09/10.

Carmelo Anthony was only beginning to realize he needed to put more effort in defensively back in 2008. The start of his improvement defensively happened towards the end of that season but he was still pretty bad defensively at that point. Became a solid defender the following season (08/09).

I don't know, what's the consensus on this? I don't think carmelo's defense was dramatically different from '07 to now, but I DO think the TEAM's defense has gotten better. '07-'08 was the year Nene missed and Iverson was still (supposedly) defending the point, so i really think that made every Nugget's defense look pretty bad. Since I think his defense has been the same, I went with his most efficient shooting, rebounding, and assist year so far. I'm assuming on this team and playing for Larry Brown that his defensive effort would be closer to today when he was actually on a good denver team than a couple years ago with iverson.

[Fan from VT]

I'm changing to the 02/03 Kobe. Possible more changes will follow.

COMMISIONER'S DECISION

Technically speaking, rosters were due in and frozen at 9:00PM EST

That given, I am making an executive decision to extend the time by which rosters are due to be posted until the deadline for the first group of team presentations to be in on Wednesday, which is 6:00 PM EST. All owners must submit their final rosters and years used for each player by that time.

Clearly when only half of the team's owners abide by the deadline then the deadline must be extended.

If by the 6:00PM deadline tomorrow we do not have close to 100% participation from the rest of the owners, I will be foregoing the presentations of teams and awards portion of this endeavor and calling it over.

apologies, Nick, I didn't see there were two deadlines and was working on the full team write up which isn't due for another couple days for me.

[Bahku]

Just like to say that I think the very least participants can do is try to adhere to the schedlues presented ... Nick has put a HUGE amount of work into this thing, and out of respect and thoughtfulness to one of our premier members, team owners who have committed to participating should do their best to help make this a success.

Some great teams to this point ... and some interesting variations in what people see as the strongest years of certain players, that I think reflects the differences in age of participants, and how we see the game differently as a result.

[Redz]

I'm changing to the 02/03 Kobe. Possible more changes will follow.

COMMISIONER'S DECISION

Technically speaking, rosters were due in and frozen at 9:00PM EST

That given, I am making an executive decision to extend the time by which rosters are due to be posted until the deadline for the first group of team presentations to be in on Wednesday, which is 6:00 PM EST. All owners must submit their final rosters and years used for each player by that time.

Clearly when only half of the team's owners abide by the deadline then the deadline must be extended.

If by the 6:00PM deadline tomorrow we do not have close to 100% participation from the rest of the owners, I will be foregoing the presentations of teams and awards portion of this endeavor and calling it over.

apologies, Nick, I didn't see there were two deadlines and was working on the full team write up which isn't due for another couple days for me.

Ditto Nick.  I'm working on a paper for school, and have been busy as hell.  This has to take a backburner for me.  I offered up the decision making to any volunteer, but had no takers.

That said, I don't think it's fair to the owners who did get their rosters set to be punished because others have not.

[Fan from VT]

I'm changing to the 02/03 Kobe. Possible more changes will follow.

COMMISIONER'S DECISION

Technically speaking, rosters were due in and frozen at 9:00PM EST

That given, I am making an executive decision to extend the time by which rosters are due to be posted until the deadline for the first group of team presentations to be in on Wednesday, which is 6:00 PM EST. All owners must submit their final rosters and years used for each player by that time.

Clearly when only half of the team's owners abide by the deadline then the deadline must be extended.

If by the 6:00PM deadline tomorrow we do not have close to 100% participation from the rest of the owners, I will be foregoing the presentations of teams and awards portion of this endeavor and calling it over.

apologies, Nick, I didn't see there were two deadlines and was working on the full team write up which isn't due for another couple days for me.

Ditto Nick.  I'm working on a paper for school, and have been busy as hell.  This has to take a backburner for me.  I offered up the decision making to any volunteer, but had no takers.

That said, I don't think it's fair to the owners who did get their rosters set to be punished because others have not.

do you just need someone to figure out your team's best years? i could probably do that.

[Who]

I'm assuming on this team and playing for Larry Brown that his defensive effort would be closer to today when he was actually on a good denver team than a couple years ago with iverson.

This is an issue I was wondering about ...

Specifically with Kevin Martin because his defense has been very poor for the last several years but I think he could become a slightly above average defender if he played under a defensive minded coach on a team full of veterans with some defensive talent around him. But he hasn't actually done that.

Should we give some credit to that player for that possibility? Or not because he hasn't done it?

I am heavily leaning towards not giving that player credit in that scenario ... where they haven't shown the capacity ... but I would in a Paul Pierce or Kobe Bryant scenario, where he played good defense early in his career but tallied off midway through their careers while playing on lousy teams and saddled with too much responsibility offensively because I truly believe they would have played good defense if they had of had more talent around them.

[Redz]

I'm changing to the 02/03 Kobe. Possible more changes will follow.

COMMISIONER'S DECISION

Technically speaking, rosters were due in and frozen at 9:00PM EST

That given, I am making an executive decision to extend the time by which rosters are due to be posted until the deadline for the first group of team presentations to be in on Wednesday, which is 6:00 PM EST. All owners must submit their final rosters and years used for each player by that time.

Clearly when only half of the team's owners abide by the deadline then the deadline must be extended.

If by the 6:00PM deadline tomorrow we do not have close to 100% participation from the rest of the owners, I will be foregoing the presentations of teams and awards portion of this endeavor and calling it over.

apologies, Nick, I didn't see there were two deadlines and was working on the full team write up which isn't due for another couple days for me.

Ditto Nick.  I'm working on a paper for school, and have been busy as hell.  This has to take a backburner for me.  I offered up the decision making to any volunteer, but had no takers.

That said, I don't think it's fair to the owners who did get their rosters set to be punished because others have not.

do you just need someone to figure out your team's best years? i could probably do that.

yes please!

the only one that's set in stone is Michael Adams ridiculous year with Denver.

Just do your best.  I'll check in from time to time.  I'll be up for a while working on my paper.

I'd appreciate it. 

(Nick, I give my official consent to honor whatever fan from VT comes up with)

[Fan from VT]

I'm assuming on this team and playing for Larry Brown that his defensive effort would be closer to today when he was actually on a good denver team than a couple years ago with iverson.

This is an issue I was wondering about ...

Specifically with Kevin Martin because his defense has been very poor for the last several years but I think he could become a slightly above average defender if he played under a defensive minded coach on a team full of veterans with some defensive talent around him. But he hasn't actually done that.

Should we give some credit to that player for that possibility? Or not because he hasn't done it?

I am heavily leaning towards not giving that player credit in that scenario ... where they haven't shown the capacity ... but I would in a Paul Pierce or Kobe Bryant scenario, where he played good defense early in his career but tallied off midway through their careers while playing on lousy teams and saddled with too much responsibility offensively because I truly believe they would have played good defense if they had of had more talent around them.

I kind of think Defense should go like this:

Definite credit for earning accolades in the chosen year.
Significant credit for earning accolades close to the chosen year (a lot of defensive voting is off by a few seasons, frequently...takes a couple seasons to get recognized).
Some credit if A. the player had a general defensive rep, and/or B. the player demonstrated that, within 1-2 seasons, they were capable defenders based on situation and team circumstances.

So for someone like 'Melo, he's an adequate defender, especially if on a defensive team, because he's proven in years very close the the chosen season that it's a team/situation/coaching/attitude thing and not a skill/strength/athleticism thing. Pierce and Kobe are certainly better defenders than 'Melo, even if they didn't win recognition in the chosen year, but don't get the same credit as someone winning all-defense in the chosen year, with each player getting a slight boost if the coach is known for stressing defense effectively. But I don't think coaches can make lemonades out of lemons...I don't care who the coach is, certain players aren't going to be net positives on defense.

[nickagneta]

Just to let the owners know, post your presentations here but I will be grouping them into one larger post or maybe moving them to a separate thread for the panelists to access and then to ask question to you from.

The Q & A is no rushed event. Answer when you can. The panelists won't be voting for a week. Though do take into consideration if a panelist is asking about your team, they are showing interest and the more dialogue you might have with them, possibly the more time you will have to convince them of your team's obvious inferiority to the Utah Jazz.

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

I meant superiority.

[nickagneta]

Again, since the deadline has been extended changes can be made to rosters that have already been posted on the front page. Just PM me and I will make the appropriate changes to the roster.

Thanks.

[StartOrien]

STARTERS

Stephen John Nash(2006-2007)
First Team All NBA, MVP Runner Up, All Star

18.6 ppg, 11.6 apg, 3.5 rpg
.532 fg%, .455 3pfg%

Latrell Fontaine Sprewell (1993-1994)
First Team All NBA, 2nd Team All Defensive, All Star

21 ppg, 4.9 rbg, 4.7 apg, 2.2 spg, .9 bpg
.433 fg%, .361 3fg%

Tracy Lamar McGrady Jr (2002-2003)
First Team All NBA, MVP 3rd runner up, All Star

32.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 5.7 apg, 1.7 stl, .8 bpg
.457 fg%, .386 3fg%

Kevin Garnett (2003-2004)
First Team All NBA, MVP, All Star, First Team All Defensive

24.2 ppg, 13.9 rpg, 5.0 apg, 2.2 bpg, 1.5 stl
.499 fg%

Jermaine O'Neal (2003-2004)
Second Team All NBA, MVP 2nd runner up, All Star

20.1 ppg, 10 rpg, 2.6 bpg
.434 fg%

DA BENCH

Bruce Bowen(2004-2005)
First Team All Defensive

8.2 ppg, 3.5 rbg, 1.5 apg, .5 bpg, .8 spg,

Allan Wade Houston (2002-2003)

22.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.7 apg, .7 spg
.445 fg%, .396 fg%

Rod Strickland (1997-1998)
2nd Team All NBA

17.8 ppg, 10.5 apg, 1.7 spg
.434 fg%

Charles Oakley (1993-1994)
First Team All Defensive, All Star

11.8 ppg, 11.8 rbg, 1.3 spg,
.478 fg%

Anthony George Douglas Mason (1996-1997)
Second Team All Defensive, Third Team All NBA

16.2 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 5.7 apg, 1 spg
.524 fg%

Jeffery John Hornacek (1991-1992)
All Star

20.1 ppg, 5 rpg, 5.1 apg, 2 spg,
.512 fg%, .439 3pfg%

Douglas Dale Christie (2002-2003)
First Team All Defensive

9.4 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.6 apg, 2,3 spg
.479 fg%, .395 3fg%

Steve D'Shawn Francis (2000-2001)

19.9 ppg, 6.5 apg, 6.9 rpg, 1.8 spg
.451 fg%, .379 3fg%

Vernon Maxwell (1991-1992)

17.2 ppg, 4.1 apg, 3.0 rpg, 1.3 spg
.413 fg%, .342 3fg%

Hot Rod Williams (1989-1990)

16.8 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 2 bpg, 1 spg
.493 fg%

THE COACH

Rudy Tomjanovic

[Bahku]

New Orleans Hornets

I like this team, SO ... love the balance of offensive and defensive strength, and the bench is deep. Looks like you really put a lot of thought into being strong at both ends of the floor ... would love to see this team in action.